Rob Roy
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It shall be decreed that hereinafter a positive sum can be derived from a bunch of zeroes - Paddy and "the authorities"
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Don't give up your day job.
EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread
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It shall be decreed that hereinafter a positive sum can be derived from a bunch of zeroes - Paddy and "the authorities"
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a positive sum
Don't give up your day job.
It's been covered so many times.
NLXSK1
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That is an arbitrary number made up by the government. Nobody should be told how much or how little to work.
Rob Roy
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"..and the prices of goods keep rising because sales are down.." - schuylarr
So that's how it works eh? Hey BROKE mother fuckers you wouldn't buy my product at x, so NOW I'm going to raise the price !
NLXSK1
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I rent out an apartment. Who do you think pays the property tax on that apartment? Everyone pays property tax whether they own or rent, it is built right into the cost. When the property tax is high the rent is accordingly higher. Get it?
You are responsible for yourself and the income you make. It is up to you to create enough income for yourself to live the way you like. It is not the job of the government to force someone you dont know to subsidize your lifestyle.
Rob Roy
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It is impossible to really refute it, so he got out a smoke and mirrors show.
Yes they should (be told) because once again standards had to be set because of abuses to the American worker by employer..so in answer to the question where is it written?
Try FSLA to start.
Rob Roy
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Which people ? The ones that ALL have zero right to delegate a right they do not possess?
It would then seem if the "authorities" are "representing" these people their power would be limited to the sum of the power the individuals have over other individuals....which is zero.
For instance, if I have no right to make you give me your stuff (I don't) how can I assign that nonexistent right to you if you are an elected official?
Is the magic so strong that a thing inherently wrong if you or I do it can become right if an elected official does it? Well if that is so, all I need to do to be able to steal your stuff is call myself a government right?
How can a majority of people doing the wrong thing, by virtue of their numbers change that thing into something right? How does that happen?
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Some people can't survive without their neighbors being stolen from by the government. Entitled to the point of uselessness. Cant even control their own lives, makes sense why they support politicians who promise to hand them their dreams.
40 hours a week? I remember my first part time job.
NLXSK1
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Workers are forced to work? What country are you living in North Korea?
Employers offer jobs. You can take the job or not take the job. That is not considered abuse....
Fogdog
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So, you want your doctor to do your coronary bypass after working more than the legal limit of 48 hours in a week? Or maybe start that surgery after he's done 10 hours at the end of a week where he's done back-to-back 12 hour days? Just saying that in many professions, quality does not equal quantity.
Hard physical labor is pretty different from working behind a keyboard writing code. For some, especially as they get older, 40 hours is about the limit. Also, most people don't love their jobs but need the paycheck. Collective action by workers is about the only way to bring management to the table and discuss labor conditions. Why do states like Texas pass laws that restrict the rights of workers to do just that?
Rrog
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I agree. Just sayin
ttystikk
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Read more closely and this is bullshit. People buy cars so they can get out and spend money! Shopping, entertainment, business, cars are a huge accelerant for the local economy- nevermind that ask those car companies who source parts and assembly services nationwide.
Workers in this country used to have money to buy up in housing every five years, a new car every two, a two to four week vacation every year and still put away savings for retirement (pensions! ) and their kid's college.
What's wrong with THAT?
NLXSK1
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And you think the doctor is too stupid and greedy to make that decision so we need the government to force him to work only certain hours?
Rrog
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Personally, the american infatuation with cars is the #1 thing keeping poor folks poor. I've always felt this way.
Broke ass people allowed to borrow huge $$ on something that depreciates like a rock, costs huge $$ to maintain, and costs gas. Then just when it gets a little old, we fold the remaining debt of the old vehicle in with the new.
$35,000 trucks are so common, yet who the hell can really afford the payment? Few
Broke ass people allowed to borrow huge $$ on something that depreciates like a rock, costs huge $$ to maintain, and costs gas. Then just when it gets a little old, we fold the remaining debt of the old vehicle in with the new.
$35,000 trucks are so common, yet who the hell can really afford the payment? Few
MuyLocoNC
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$35,000? You must be talking about a base V6, no 4wd and crank windows, either that or you're talking about a used truck with 40,000+ miles. Anything worth buying these days is 45k+. My buddy manages the Ford store in my town, most truck purchasers are walking out with $650+/month payments on six year notes. As long as they have money down, of course.
you hit the nail on the head..
it all comes down to personal responsibility and choices ..if you can't afford it you don't get it ..why be mad at me bc i can ..either you buy a nice car or a condo or house ..if you can't afford both you don't get both ..if you choose a nice car over the house thats a poor choice so don't be mad you can't get a mortgage now ...
londonfog
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actually if you follow my posting you will see that I don't go calling people racist.
I allow you to show who you are.
Rrog
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I wonder-
We are social creatures. Hell, we often commit suicide when we can't fit in, for example. It's MIGHTY important to MOST people, regardless of socio-economics. Outcasts hang themselves.
What's the #1 thing that says I'm broke? No vehicle standing on a corner waiting for a bus? Driving a shit vehicle with rust (like mine)? Take your pic. Both can shame an American fast. We've been taught this.
So what do people do to avoid their broke-ass appearance? They do what you've been watching them do- buy their social acceptance, at least in their mind. They get a loan they have no business getting from a bank that knows damn well this will end up badly for the consumer. But the banks don't care because consumers will allow themselves to be evicted before having a car repossessed.
When wealth and disparity are so perfectly shown to us in all media, how can a large group of the population hope to ignore it? How to avoid the feeling of inadequacy that is created by the media? When bank and credit card offers come in the mail daily? After a while everyone says "yes, gimme the fucking money and I'll buy some social acceptance."
There is enormous force to be a consumer, as we're told we'll fit in better, be more attractive. How is this escapable? It's not. So despite this being such an apparently obvious life lesson to so many here, it's not obvious to most out there and here we are...
We are social creatures. Hell, we often commit suicide when we can't fit in, for example. It's MIGHTY important to MOST people, regardless of socio-economics. Outcasts hang themselves.
What's the #1 thing that says I'm broke? No vehicle standing on a corner waiting for a bus? Driving a shit vehicle with rust (like mine)? Take your pic. Both can shame an American fast. We've been taught this.
So what do people do to avoid their broke-ass appearance? They do what you've been watching them do- buy their social acceptance, at least in their mind. They get a loan they have no business getting from a bank that knows damn well this will end up badly for the consumer. But the banks don't care because consumers will allow themselves to be evicted before having a car repossessed.
When wealth and disparity are so perfectly shown to us in all media, how can a large group of the population hope to ignore it? How to avoid the feeling of inadequacy that is created by the media? When bank and credit card offers come in the mail daily? After a while everyone says "yes, gimme the fucking money and I'll buy some social acceptance."
There is enormous force to be a consumer, as we're told we'll fit in better, be more attractive. How is this escapable? It's not. So despite this being such an apparently obvious life lesson to so many here, it's not obvious to most out there and here we are...