ARE FEMINIZED SEEDS MORE PRONE TO HERM??

TheChemist77

TheChemist77

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JUST CURIOUS, I BUY MANY MANY SEEDS AND RUN BOTH REGULARS AND FEMINIZED.. i take clones to be new mothers every month or so,,i have read a few articles now that say to only use regular seeds to find mothers as feminized are made to grow once,and are more prone to herm if u clone..i have a few moms that are clones of clones off feminized seeds and have not had a herm problem.. i had ONE critical mass fem clone of clone herm after 7 generations but thats it.. what do you think? what is the percentage of fem seeds herming compared to regular seeds herming?? any clone of clone herm problems off fem seeds????
 
TheChemist77 said:
JUST CURIOUS, I BUY MANY MANY SEEDS AND RUN BOTH REGULARS AND FEMINIZED.. i take clones to be new mothers every month or so,,i have read a few articles now that say to only use regular seeds to find mothers as feminized are made to grow once,and are more prone to herm if u clone..i have a few moms that are clones of clones off feminized seeds and have not had a herm problem.. i had ONE critical mass fem clone of clone herm after 7 generations but thats it.. what do you think? what is the percentage of fem seeds herming compared to regular seeds herming?? any clone of clone herm problems off fem seeds????
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From what many growers have concluded, regular (non-feminized) seeds are the best way to grow. They are the most stable.

Now that's not to say that regular seeds can't herm, because they can if you don't grow them properly. And yes, growing feminized seeds, you have a slightly higher chance of herm than you do with regular.

Your best bet, and it seems you're on the right track, is drop some reg seeds in soil, find a good mother and clone her. That will give you the most desirable results.
 
i know some seed banks are more trust worthy than others but for the most part it seems my fem seeds are just as good as reg mothers.. i would be out of alot of cash if fems all hermed..i thought wen purchasing it would just be easier than picking out males, the thought of herms never really came to mind as feminized seeds today are produced w/ silver spray on strong females.. not like they just slightly stress a lady to get pollen,,then most moms would be prone to herm to correct??
 
Some strain are more prone than others, Almost any God bud crosses I have ever grown (CBD GOD, OH God, ...) and some other from Jordan almost always hermi the way I grow them while a lot of my other strains dont. I find when I get most hermiing there is a new light leak I didnt know about or some other possible stressing factors. Anyhow, his strains have always been some of the best I have grown and often the offspring dont hermi... Naturally I think if the commercial breeders of today stop using males altogether we will run into problems down the road. I always encourage closet growers to flower their best males (often means the latest one to show sex but not necessarily the runtiest) and make regular seeds. I do get a bit freaked out seeing where the seed bank industrie is going with mostly fem seeds or auto seeds. I wont hesitate to grow seeds from hermies but I make a point of creating regular seeds every now and again and not get them mixed up with feminized or hermiing genetics.
 
qwizoking said:
this comes from old feminizing methods of long ago, that are now quite out of date. today we use hormones

the incidence rate is exactly the same. and based on the parents genetics
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I've heard of some seed makers still using stress to induce it. This will produce plants more prone to herming from stress no question. But yeah, otherwise. Most people have learned from the past.

GreenSanta said:
Some strain are more prone than others, Almost any God bud crosses I have ever grown (CBD GOD, OH God, ...) and some other from Jordan almost always hermi the way I grow them while a lot of my other strains dont. I find when I get most hermiing there is a new light leak I didnt know about or some other possible stressing factors. Anyhow, his strains have always been some of the best I have grown and often the offspring dont hermi... Naturally I think if the commercial breeders of today stop using males altogether we will run into problems down the road. I always encourage closet growers to flower their best males (often means the latest one to show sex but not necessarily the runtiest) and make regular seeds. I do get a bit freaked out seeing where the seed bank industrie is going with mostly fem seeds or auto seeds. I wont hesitate to grow seeds from hermies but I make a point of creating regular seeds every now and again and not get them mixed up with feminized or hermiing genetics.
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I think it's important to keep the males involved as well, but for different reasons. You will never ever use the male half of the genome if you are growing cannabis for flowers to smoke. It really doesn't make a difference at all. You can preserve the female half of a male using females (from the same line) just as easily.

However the male half of the genome also contains other important traits and the male plants themselves can have great utility (the biggest and baddest plants for me are always males... the ones that seem to produce the most biomass) and I think it's important to not toss that aside.

It's also important for the lines we love - if they ever need to be set free in the wild that they can easily reproduce themselves. Males make that happen.

The other thing that is really a problem in the cannabis industry is how lines are preserved. I see so often people using 2 or 3 plants and calling the job done... it doesn't work like that unless you are preserving a line that's perfectly homogenous and they do not exist in the world of cannabis (well, maybe in Chimera's lab but that's another story).

If you are trying to save a line make sure you save it using a reasonable number of plants. Hypothetically you should get a complete preservation in 20 or so but you probably want to run more because hypothetics are just that and sometimes you get unlucky.

This is an actual major problem IMO.
 
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OGEvilgenius said:
However the male half of the genome also contains other important traits and the male plants themselves can have great utility (the biggest and baddest plants for me are always males... the ones that seem to produce the most biomass) and I think it's important to not toss that aside.
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How do you select your males OGE?
 
i do some breeding myself, mostly taking F1hybrids i bought and back crossing to get uniformity or a true breed, i also make my own F1's and S1's. selecting a male is to me harder than finding a good female, in a pack of 10 im lucky to get 2 -3 males so finding a good female out of 7 or 8 is easy but a good male for breeding out of 2 or 3 is tough..i go not only by smell but structure,close flower clusters and node distance.. males usually grow faster than females so i like the shorter,stockier males.. if 1 of the 2 or 3 males isnt great i use the best 1 cross it w/ best female then plant 30-40 seeds and start over as i have more males to choose from off that first cross..then i take the best male and female from that cross and start back crossing till cubed..ive spent a good 5 years learning to stabilize f1's and trying to inbreed certain traits is still tough, like a certain smell or taste, its much easier if the male you choose has what your looking for..
i use silver spray for S1's but only on females that i am sure do NOT herm easily by stress.. ive run hundreds of my own S1's and never had 1 herm.. then i ran a 3 seed fem pack of cbd critical mass and found the female i liked and after only 7 generations of clone moms they all hermed.. my room is temp controlled and no light leaks the only stress on my plants is like ph flux or to high or low nutrients but i control that. so ill isolate a female and stress her on purpose bringing her out of the room to get light stress, or whatever just to be sure she doesnt herm easily..then use a sister clone for breeding..
 
unwine99 said:
How do you select your males OGE?
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Testing is the only way to know for sure. You can turn them into females - that can make it a lot easier too. I will also select toward whatever the preference I have is. Generally it goes potency, flavor, yield, structure in that order for me with flavor and yield being in the same ballpark and structure not that far behind as I hate tying up plants.
 
Having bad luck with a batch of selfed cbdgod, and also all other plants that were fertilized in the room that time I think the offspring all carry that herm trait... Had a bunch of full blown hermi at week 4....I'm getting rid of the seeds, too bad I was stoked at first.
 
when growing fem beans its best to let them veg out for awhile to get them used to there environment and also give them straight water early on, no nutes; about four weeks after germ I usally start feeding light doses
 
A fem`d seed you have around a 1% chance of it showing up as a hermi unless it gets real stressed

a regular you have 50% chance of it being male, ok maybe its only .5% likely to hermi, so if your aim is to grow females from seed fem`d seeds give the best females per seed ratio

If your looking for a mum then regs are normally cheaper so you can sex off 100 plants flower off the best and select your mum to clone from them
 
THE KONASSURE said:
A fem`d seed you have around a 1% chance of it showing up as a hermi unless it gets real stressed

a regular you have 50% chance of it being male, ok maybe its only .5% likely to hermi, so if your aim is to grow females from seed fem`d seeds give the best females per seed ratio

If your looking for a mum then regs are normally cheaper so you can sex off 100 plants flower off the best and select your mum to clone from them
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There is no hard and fast rule for hermaphrodism rates in regular and female seeds. It's wholly dependent on the plants used and how they were used. There are many regular seed lines that produce huge numbers of hermaphrodites. And many female lines that will never produce any.
 
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