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[Cyrus420]

do i have to get some riu light pro's from the led section to explain it more in detail for u

No, it's the internet. Getting a gang of your buddies to come talk down to the newbie isn't going to impress me. Have fun "expert."

 

[rob333]

No, it's the internet. Getting a gang of your buddies to come talk down to the newbie isn't going to impress me. Have fun "expert."

boom and that's how u own some one take notes kids

 

[mr sunshine]

The OP of the thread is asking about Weedbulbs most likely because they have a stealth grow. Not everyone has the space or resources to run a 1000 watt. You really need to stop trash talking a product you've clearly displayed you have very little knowledge. You're just coming across as ignorant.

If I took the advice I was given I'd have to buy 16 cfl to compare to a 400 .The work of moving that many lights is retarded, But let's get past that for a while. It costs roughly 130 for 16 bulbs. That's about what a 400 costs. You gotta ask yourself How long do those last? I'm assuming only the bulbs come when you're paying 30 for a 4 pack so how much more do the fixtures they go in cost? For 120 bucks you get bulbs, cfl bulbs..The 400 will eventually need a new bulb too but those cost 25 bucks... I'm not hating brother I'm just making sense.

 

[mr sunshine]

Like you said bro not everyone runs big lights. These may very well be perfect for replacing regular cfl but saying it will outgrow hps is a marketing scheme. No cfl can outgrow hps. .yes it can he says.. you just got to add 78 million of them . In lala land all that makes sense in reality it doesn't.

 

[grouch]

I think weedbulbs knows something about lighting. Notice how he wont go watt for watt with leds.

 

[SSJGemini]

I just ordered 12 of the FlowerPOWER bulbs. I've got 6 plants in their 4th week(of 10) of flowering. I'm hoping these are better than standard CFLs and will finish up my girls nicely. I'll report back if I notice any difference in growth rate or bud size. I also got 8 of the VeggieMAX for when I start my next run.

I decided to get these bulbs cause I couldn't find anything on people using them. The reviews on amazon seemed fake to me. So I said what the hell, I'll test'em out.

 

[WeedBulbs]

Sorry for the delay in getting back on this thread... have not been well for a few days.

Dude you advised me to use 16 cfls instead of one 400 watt..so if I run a 1000 watt id need about 41 cfls. Thats impractical and hilarious.

The current 24 watt WeedBulbs are targeted to micro-growers. You are obviously a jerk and are looking to poke fun at things you know jack about.

An idea size grow tent/cab for 4 WeedBulbs lamps would be 24" x 16". The max size a typical person might consider is 4' x 4' with 24 lamps. Get above that and changing bulbs would be a hassle.
However, a point that you seem to continually ignore is that WeedBulbs will grow more weed per watt than HPS... guaranteed.

Later this year, we will be offering some of our lamps models in 4 foot, High Output, T5 fluorescent... because T5s are better for scaling up to larger applications.

 

[WeedBulbs]

I think weedbulbs knows something about lighting. Notice how he wont go watt for watt with leds.

Yes, good catch! Targeted spectrum WeedBulb CFLs are about 90 to 95% as efficient as LEDs which are also targeted spectrum. However, I will go dollar for dollar against LEDs... because LEDs in a micro-grow are crazy expensive.

 

[WeedBulbs]

I just ordered 12 of the FlowerPOWER bulbs. I've got 6 plants in their 4th week(of 10) of flowering. I'm hoping these are better than standard CFLs and will finish up my girls nicely. I'll report back if I notice any difference in growth rate or bud size. I also got 8 of the VeggieMAX for when I start my next run.

I decided to get these bulbs cause I couldn't find anything on people using them. The reviews on amazon seemed fake to me. So I said what the hell, I'll test'em out.

Thanks for the patronage. The reviews on Amazon are a result of giving a deep discount for honest reviews on SnagShout.com... not the best but have to start somewhere.

The reason I monitor this CFL forum on rollitup is that you guys are one of the few places on the net that discuss growing weed with CFL.

I am looking for people that want to research/test using WeedBulbs in hydro/organic/micro grows. They need to be in a state where legal. They need to have sufficient room to do five 24"x16" micro-grows in tents. If selected, you will be reimbursed for costs such as lamps, fixtures, tents, nutrients, pumps, netpots, etc. If interested, contact me via private message.

 

[kmog33]

A blanket statement like that does not stand up to scrutiny. In general HPS street lights are more efficient than CFL street lights... but we are not talking about street lights. Targeted spectrum CFLs produce much more plant usable light per watt than HPS.
Think about it.... this is the reason I can offer the money back guarantee... targeted spectrum CFL is simply more efficient than HPS.
Are you going to put your money where your mouth is?


You keep trying to mix apples and oranges. You keep talking about light, but when you are growing plants... plants only care about plant usable light. Does not matter how much light (and heat) an HPS lamp produces if the plants are going to ignore most of it.
Think about it.... this is the reason I can offer the money back guarantee... targeted spectrum CFL is simply more efficient than HPS.
Are you going to put your money where your mouth is?


Ok, let's compare cost for a 150 watt lighting solution. Basically, we are talking about enough light for a 2 ft. x 2 ft grow tent.

HPS 165
The base cost of a 150w HPS is $67. (http://www.amazon.com/Sun-System-900490-Light-Fixture/dp/B00KM1EXXW)
A 150 watt HPS uses about 165 watts when paired with a required ballast. Electric bill will be more.
You will also need to buy a much taller grow tent because HPS needs to be 30 inches above the plants... more money
You also have to deal with the heat from the HPS... this is extra money. If you have a closet grow in an air conditioned home... this will jack up your electric bill.

WEEDBULBS 144
The base cost of two of the 4 packs is ~$60. But you only will use 6 of the bulbs, so cost is ~$45.
6 of the lamps is 144 watts including ballast. Electric bill will be less.
A shorter grow tent can be used since the lamps can be placed about 9 inches above the plants... less money.
Also, less heat to deal with means lower electric bill.

And the bottom line here is that I will guaranteed the above WeedBulb system will produce more weed per watt than the HPS system.
It is easy to use the word "inefficient" when you don't know jack. Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?


You are obviously not a lighting expert. None of our bulbs have tint on them... tints block/filter light. WeedBulbs simply use highly efficient targeted spectrum phosphors.


I am a lighting specialist and also have a degree in horticulture. So you can all the lighting specialists you know... but there is no magic that they can do to make the above described HPS lighting system grow more weed per watt than the above described WeedBulbs system.

The bottom line is that WeedBulbs are better in terms of weed per watt for a stealth closet grow than HPS... and I am willing to guarantee it.

Nobody here in small spaces keep their hid lights 30" from the canopy. More like 6-10" with a 150 watt hps. 600 watts 12-18". I read you say something about you would guarantee to pull more with your bulbs than LEDs at cost, but you would also be pulling 3-5 X as much power. Which is exactly backwards of what most of us are trying to do. Where are you getting your info on hps lighting and how growers use them?


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[kmog33]

Yes, good catch! Targeted spectrum WeedBulb CFLs are about 90 to 95% as efficient as LEDs which are also targeted spectrum. However, I will go dollar for dollar against LEDs... because LEDs in a micro-grow are crazy expensive.

I don't know that this is on point. Efficiency is science. And there are spreadsheets on here of led efficiency. There have been hid efficiency charts for ages. And I think CFLs are technically less efficient, even if they deliver a better spectrum. Efficiency is light:heat? How much actual light is output per watt vs the heat put out.


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[frica]

I don't know that this is on point. Efficiency is science. And there are spreadsheets on here of led efficiency. There have been hid efficiency charts for ages. And I think CFLs are technically less efficient, even if they deliver a better spectrum. Efficiency is light:heat? How much actual light is output per watt vs the heat put out.


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DE HPS is close to 2 times as efficient as CFL.
LED depends, the CXB/Very cobs are much more efficient and have the advantage of a 110-120 degree light angle instead of almost every direction requiring a reflector.

 

[grouch]

Yes, good catch! Targeted spectrum WeedBulb CFLs are about 90 to 95% as efficient as LEDs which are also targeted spectrum. However, I will go dollar for dollar against LEDs... because LEDs in a micro-grow are crazy expensive.

Got any numbers to back up that claim? I would love to see a 50% efficient cfl bulb but I dont believe they exist

 

[WeedBulbs]

Hi All, I am a service disabled vet and today I am having a bad day health wise. I have the answers all are asking but will have to get back to you on another day.

 

[frica]

When it comes to delivering "usable" PAR per watt, HPS is a joke... incorrect balance of spectrum, not enough blue light and way too much heat.
However, if you insist on using HPS... our PowerBLUE lamp is designed to augment HPS with blue light...
http://www.amazon.com/PowerBLUE/dp/B00YELLHP8


You will need more than a couple of bulbs. My recommended range is 1 to 2 lamps per square foot. As a minimum for healthy growth in most plants, use 1 lamp per square foot... so 24 would cover 24 sq ft. For most efficient growth with most plants, use 1.5 lamps per square foot ... so 24 would cover 16 sq ft. For better yield, use 2 lamps per square foot... so 24 would cover 12 sq ft. Even more light can be used with crops like cannabis, but with diminishing returns... some commercial cannabis growers that are not concerned with efficiency use an equivalent of 4 lamps per sq ft ... so 24 would cover 6 sq ft.
My recommendation for growing cannabis is to start with 1.5 lamps per sq ft and then add more later if you are not achieving the results you seek.

There are 3 main lamp models to choose from:
• PowerMAX's phosphor mix is designed for the full plant cycle (veg and flower) and works best when on a budget.
• VeggieMAX will have advantage of faster/quicker vegetative growth.
• FlowerPOWER will have an advantage during the flower production cycle.


WeedBulbs vs HPS
If you want to do a test of equal watts of WeedBulbs and HPS, I will guarantee that you will get more weed from any combination of PowerMAX, VeggieMAX and/or FlowerPOWER versus HPS or your money back.

WeedBulbs vs LED
Yes, LED is a little more efficient in terms of PAR per watt... but the cost of LED is crazy for the closet grower. If you want to do a closet grow test of equal dollars of WeedBulbs and LED... including electricity over a one year period, I will guarantee that you will get more weed per dollar spent from any combination of PowerMAX, VeggieMAX and/or FlowerPOWER versus LED or your money back.

Your Amazon claims.
"Efficiency is 0.89 umol/s/watt."
That means HPS is more efficient than that.
Double ended Gavita has an efficiency of 2 umol s-1 per Watt, so more than twice as efficient as your CFL.

Your products are just glorified CFL, maybe better than standard CFL bulbs but still CFL.
The same old 12% at best efficient CFL.

And how is the spectrum of HPS a joke?
Sure it lacks some blue, but amber/green is still used by the plant and very useful.

Stop your shilling please, you're just telling lies and spouting shit.

 

[grouch]

Do you have any bulbs that have good output in the UV-A and UV-B? With leds using blue chips converted to white with phosphors they are making little to no UV and many are supplementing with reptile UV bulbs.

 

[SSJGemini]

Got my FlowerPOWER bulbs today. They definitely feel better than normal clfs in terms of construction. Speaking of how their built, they're slightly smaller than a normal 23-26w cfl. That's a plus for me. They have lots more red light than a 2700k. I spent a little to much time looking at my plants after I put these in and when I went to a different room, the lights seemed green. I thought it was cool. Haha.

Now I gotta wait and see how the plants take to their new light...

 

[WeedBulbs]

Stop your shilling please, you're just telling lies and spouting shit.

I can assure you that there is no shilling, lies and such. If you will remain civil, you will find that I am an inventor with the same goals as many in this forum... to help people grow weed faster, better, cheaper. My desire is to create and help.

I and others will be doing grow test comparisons with various grow lights. This is the only way to prove my theories. Theories that I am currently willing to back with a money back guarantee because I believe the science behind the things I propose. It is not good business to do otherwise.

Your Amazon claims.
"Efficiency is 0.89 umol/s/watt."
That means HPS is more efficient than that.
Double ended Gavita has an efficiency of 2 umol s-1 per Watt, so more than twice as efficient as your CFL.

Once again, you are trying to compare a street light to a targeted spectrum grow light.
Please see my "Grow Results: BLM SPYDR 1200 vs Gavita 1000W Double-Ended HPS " comment in this thread...
https://www.rollitup.org/t/weedbulbs-powerblue-cfl-with-hps.899449/#post-12334752

Your products are just glorified CFL, maybe better than standard CFL bulbs but still CFL.
The same old 12% at best efficient CFL.

There are several improvements that cost more money over standard CFL:

• We use enhanced electronics in the ballast to improve bulb life.
• We use a smaller diameter and longer tube (T2, 7mm) to improve efficiency.
• We chose highly efficient phosphors in our mixes.

And how is the spectrum of HPS a joke?
Sure it lacks some blue, but amber/green is still used by the plant and very useful.

Please see my "Grow Results: BLM SPYDR 1200 vs Gavita 1000W Double-Ended HPS " comment in this thread...
https://www.rollitup.org/t/weedbulbs-powerblue-cfl-with-hps.899449/#post-12334752

By posting this McCree curve, it shows you know little about selecting grow light spectrums. This curve that McCree created was never intend to be used as such.
McCree got his data in 25 nm bands of growth using pure color... so what this McCree graph shows is how field plants (not cannabis) grow under a specific color in the absence of all other colors. Since plants evolved to use a wide spectrum of colors and since other studies have shown that a balance of colors improves growth, this McCree chart is close to meaningless in choosing a growth spectrum.

A chart that has some meaning in selecting grow lights is the German DIN Standard 5031-10. It is also not a hard and fast method for grow spectrum selection... most notably you must have balance of light for it to have meaning. Also various plants and even cultivars of plants (read types of weed) will respond quite differently to various light spectrums.
Here is a graph that show typical HPS(HID) spectrum and a typical LED spectrum along with German DIN Standard 5031-10:
http://greenlightsgrowing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Emission.jpg

Do you have any bulbs that have good output in the UV-A and UV-B? With leds using blue chips converted to white with phosphors they are making little to no UV and many are supplementing with reptile UV bulbs.

Not currently, but we are working on them. They will be called PowerBUDS® and will hopefully be available in a few months... there are a number of challenges we are working through. I am designing them to be run 3 hours a day to approximate tropic mountain sun levels of UVB at mid day. You will only need to start running them after the buds are substantially set, starting with a few minutes per day and working up to 3 hours a day.
Keep in mind that UVB is detrimental to cannabis or any plant growth, but cannabis has evolved with a natural defense against UVB damage... THC. So the lamps should only be used in late stages of development and not during the veggie stage.

Ok, this old man is tired... time to relax.

 

[WeedBulbs]

Got my FlowerPOWER bulbs today. They definitely feel better than normal clfs in terms of construction. Speaking of how their built, they're slightly smaller than a normal 23-26w cfl. That's a plus for me. They have lots more red light than a 2700k. I spent a little to much time looking at my plants after I put these in and when I went to a different room, the lights seemed green. I thought it was cool. Haha.

Now I gotta wait and see how the plants take to their new light...

A cool factoid... if you combine one FlowerPOWER, one PowerBLUE and two PowerGREENS, you get white light. Good luck with your grow.

 

[grouch]

Once again, you are trying to compare a street light to a targeted spectrum grow light.
Please see my "Grow Results: BLM SPYDR 1200 vs Gavita 1000W Double-Ended HPS " comment in this thread...
https://www.rollitup.org/t/weedbulbs-powerblue-cfl-with-hps.899449/#post-12334752

You keep calling it a street lamp like its a derogatory term not just where the technology flourished and sold well. They are also targeted spectrum grow lights with a focus on red and emphasis on intensity. Comparing your cfls to targeted spectrum LEDs is kind of misinforming as well especially since they use different technologies and spectrums.

By posting this McCree curve, it shows you know little about selecting grow light spectrums. This curve that McCree created was never intend to be used as such.
McCree got his data in 25 nm bands of growth using pure color... so what this McCree graph shows is how field plants (not cannabis) grow under a specific color in the absence of all other colors. Since plants evolved to use a wide spectrum of colors and since other studies have shown that a balance of colors improves growth, this McCree chart is close to meaningless in choosing a growth spectrum.

The studies you posted in the other thread and cited for reasoning were based off growing cucumbers with TWO mono colors and how manipulating the balance of blue 450nm and red 680nm affected plant growth. You used that to state that adding your powerblue cfls would increase the growth in lights with only hps spectrum. Neither of which are monos like the studies.

A chart that has some meaning in selecting grow lights is the German DIN Standard 5031-10. It is also not a hard and fast method for grow spectrum selection... most notably you must have balance of light for it to have meaning. Also various plants and even cultivars of plants (read types of weed) will respond quite differently to various light spectrums.
Here is a graph that show typical HPS(HID) spectrum and a typical LED spectrum along with German DIN Standard

That is far from a typical led spectrum. The new high efficiency cree and vero cobs are hitting peaks right where the plants need them.