Japanese Internment; Day of Remembrance

bearkat42 said:
Why is racism so difficult for white folk to admit?
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'RIGHT' folk, brother bearkat. I'm white as they come, but I'm not shy about seeking and speaking the truth about racism past and present. In my estimation, it's the essential foundation that must be in place before healing and building a future together can begin.

And we badly need to get on with it. Time is a-wasting!
 
ttystikk said:
And not one damned bit LESS, either, which would be the point the selectively deaf 'conservatives' seem at pains to ignore.

In fact, Germans and Irish WERE treated better; none of them got interned because of their origins- and yes, there were Nazi spies among them.
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I was born in the late 60's in America. As such I hold myself blameless for slavery and what happened in the war.
 
bearkat42 said:
Why is racism so difficult for white folk to admit?
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Racism is the belief that a race is inferior. The term has been expanded to cover bigotry and prejudice unfairly. Firstly, racism is ugly and evil and it is being watered down into something meaningless.

Secondly, you can be bigoted and/or prejudice no matter what color you are so you do not bear any exclusivity. Step off the soap box and try to just live as an American and you may find a lot more peace in your life.
 
NLXSK1 said:
Racism is the belief that a race is inferior. The term has been expanded to cover bigotry and prejudice unfairly. Firstly, racism is ugly and evil and it is being watered down into something meaningless.

Secondly, you can be bigoted and/or prejudice no matter what color you are so you do not bear any exclusivity. Step off the soap box and try to just live as an American and you may find a lot more peace in your life.
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I'm fully aware of the definition of racism. I don't just throw they terminology around. When I say racism, that's what I mean.
 
bearkat42 said:
Why is racism so difficult for white folk to admit?
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Explain to me how it was racism...

We had Japanese Americans living and working in America. Primarily in California and west coast but also scattered through the country. Can you demonstrate the racism prevalent that allowed this?

The trigger was when we were suddenly attacked by a foreign power. Was that racism? Did they attack us cause we were white? After this point the Japanese were interned. Somehow, you believe this is racism?

You just told me you knew what racism was and then suddenly you defined it in a completely different way. The Japanese were not interned because the United States of America suddenly decided that they were an inferior race.

So, not racism...
 
RickyBobby26 said:
I was not alive then and neither were you. Those were different times. I can't say that fear of insane Japanese nationalism was wrong.

But it has proven to be bad judgement. We'll have to agree to disagree on the rest.
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I may not have been alive but I can read history books and speak with those who lived through and even fought in World War II. Having done both extensively and discussed the subject in depth with historians researching the matter, I feel strongly about the causes then and the parallels to today's xenophobic nationalistic fervor- your current attitude being one of them. You assume much about my supposed ignorance, while displaying plenty of your own.
 
ttystikk said:
I may not have been alive but I can read history books and speak with those who lived through and even fought in World War II. Having done both extensively and discussed the subject in depth with historians researching the matter, I feel strongly about the causes then and the parallels to today's xenophobic nationalistic fervor- your current attitude being one of them. You assume much about my supposed ignorance, while displaying plenty of your own.
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Only in America is being nationalistic a sin... ;]

We are no longer allowed to be proud, we are no longer allowed to exceed... THANKS OBAMA!!
 
bearkat42 said:
I'm fully aware of the definition of racism. I don't just throw they terminology around. When I say racism, that's what I mean.
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Right. Because as a black man, you'd otherwise have no idea, right? :roll:

It just never stops, does it? If you made a point of stopping and talking to everyone in daily life who says or does something racially insensitive, you couldn't get anything else done! People really are just that unconscious.
 
NLXSK1 said:
Explain to me how it was racism...

We had Japanese Americans living and working in America. Primarily in California and west coast but also scattered through the country. Can you demonstrate the racism prevalent that allowed this?
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I would imagine the same way that black americans lived and worked in America.
 
ttystikk said:
I may not have been alive but I can read history books and speak with those who lived through and even fought in World War II. Having done both extensively and discussed the subject in depth with historians researching the matter, I feel strongly about the causes then and the parallels to today's xenophobic nationalistic fervor- your current attitude being one of them. You assume much about my supposed ignorance, while displaying plenty of your own.
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I've spoken to WWII vets myself, and have read on the subject as well.

I mentioned nothing about you being ignorant. I guess that's your defense mechanism that prompts you to throw insults when challenged. That seems to be so common today. If I don't agree with you, then I'm ignorant. I understand now. Thanks. Good luck doing any good in debate with that attitude.
 
ttystikk said:
Right. Because as a black man, you'd otherwise have no idea, right? :roll:

It just never stops, does it? If you made a point of stopping and talking to everyone in daily life who says or does something racially insensitive, you couldn't get anything else done! People really are just that unconscious.
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White people don't think about racism because they don't have to.
 
NLXSK1 said:
I was born in the late 60's in America. As such I hold myself blameless for slavery and what happened in the war.
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A reasonable point. But as a nation we owe them the recognition that it was wrong and the solemn promise- To ALL of us- that it can never happen again. If it can be done to any of We the People without due process then it's unconstitutional and must not be tolerated, lest it be done to everyone.
 
ttystikk said:
A reasonable point. But as a nation we owe them the recognition that it was wrong and the solemn promise- To ALL of us- that it can never happen again. If it can be done to any of We the People without due process then it's unconstitutional and must not be tolerated, lest it be done to everyone.
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If I apologize one more time for what I did not do and was not alive for can it be the last? Of course not... How fucking fair is that?

What do you want from me?
 
bearkat42 said:
I posted that with regards to racism in general. Don't be so obtuse.
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Lets be real for a minute.

I can only be responsible for myself. That is the standard I hold myself to. That is all that is in my power to control.

Your diatribe pushes people away and does not even attempt to bring them together. Blame is easy.
 
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