Scrog help

[ligrow]

yes raise net up then set it back down so all buds sites are level spread out the ones that that has stretched more then others and if she is now in full bloom phase then do not bother with cropping, while you take net off get under plants and start removal of lower bud sites stem shoots n leafs atleast 1/4 0f plant lower part then re set netting your good to go remember them sucker buds will keep trying to grow below canopy you must keep taking them off
This will send all energy to top buds

Thanks for your feedback with that much detail.
that me get this clear.
I take off the net, have all lower buds, branches, leaves off.
reset the net that I can set them more equally
Is that what mean?

Do i have the net lower or the same height when I set it back?
I am afraid I will have them broke when I take the net off.

When you said sucker buds, do you mean small bud sites that can not get enough light?

Have a nice day, happy grow

 

[ligrow]

Flower Day 20

Have some lower popcorn buds cut last night. Still have lots of bud sites under the net. Do I have them cut off? I don't think they can make a through unless I have my net lower or something.

I have my leaves wet like last picture showed. What is that liquid on the leaf coming from?

 

[budolskie]

I am now leaving mine to grow upwards

 

[ligrow]

Day 20
Wonder if I need to have some trimming to have some fan leaves off.
I think I also veg too much side branches. should have them cut off earlier

 

[ligrow]

Have one fan leaves trimmed today.
Leave another one to see what will happen.

 

[Anon Emaus]

Have one fan leaves trimmed today.
Leave another one to see what will happen.

Ouch, you skinned that poor girl pretty rough. That might be a bit overboard on the trimming, to say the least, that was probably very stressful for the plant. Whenever you trim you only want to do a little at a time or you'll stunt the growth, stress it out and whatnot. Obviously it's too late now to do anything but don't pull another hair off that girl for a while.

 

[ligrow]

Ouch, you skinned that poor girl pretty rough. That might be a bit overboard on the trimming, to say the least, that was probably very stressful for the plant. Whenever you trim you only want to do a little at a time or you'll stunt the growth, stress it out and whatnot. Obviously it's too late now to do anything but don't pull another hair off that girl for a while.

Yes I know I took off too much after I done that...but it's too late
How you take off your leaves to have them get more light?
Do you take off fan leaves that block during whole cycle?
What's gonna end up when I have them stress like this? Do I loose weight or just longer time to harvest?

I lower the net and still lots of buds can not have enough lights. It was like how my previous run look like. Only top nugs got bigger. I saw read some thread and watch some video on youtube. Found people grow very big buds by using a method call defoliation with scrog net. This is pretty much what I end up have it try with one of my girl.

Thanks for the notice, learning from mistake I'm sure it will never happen again

 

[Anon Emaus]

Yes I know I took off too much after I done that...but it's too late
How you take off your leaves to have them get more light?
Do you take off fan leaves that block during whole cycle?
What's gonna end up when I have them stress like this? Do I loose weight or just longer time to harvest?

I lower the net and still lots of buds can not have enough lights. It was like how my previous run look like. Only top nugs got bigger. I saw read some thread and watch some video on youtube. Found people grow very big buds by using a method call defoliation with scrog net. This is pretty much what I end up have it try with one of my girl.

Thanks for the notice, learning from mistake I'm sure it will never happen again

It's good you did one and not the other, that'll be good for you to see the difference between the final result and continued growth you see. It's like an expirement. Biggest thing I can say is that you did too much at once and probably too much overall by what i can tell, next time just space out any defoliation.

Defoliation is one of those touchy subjects where some people really hate it and others really like it. With scrog you kinda don't have a choice because all that stuff under the net and so out of the light will die off anyway so why let the plant waste the energy on it. From the view that picture was taken it looked like you went too far. I think you could have left more leaves without them causing any shade. I personally don't like too much defoliation because my experience, which honestly is limited, was negative in that i saw negative results(but that wasnt a scrog grow, i do pull under net growth in my scrog because i see it just dies anyway).
Keep in mind leaves are important to a plants growth so limiting them is limiting the plants potential so you don't want to go overboard. Above the net I remove as little as possible, some people remove for airflow reasons to reduce chances of mold as well so i see benefit in that obviously. Like everything I think you gotta just try shit and find what works for your specific grow, everyones grow is so different so you gotta find what works for you.

As for whats going to happen, I never did exactly that so I don't really know. From what I've learned is that you will most likely stunt growth(longer flower time) and possibly lose yeild as well since you are inhibiting the plant by taking away pieces that help in plant growth. Along with the stunting comes stress, which could possibly lead to a domino effect of other problems but like i said i never did exactly that so I'm not sure whats going to happen. At least when you're all said and done you'll have the knowledge of what it causes.

Keep in mind with scrog your goal is to get all of the bud sites to the same height so you don't technically have "lower bud sites" because you trained all those lower branches up.

 

[ligrow]

It's good you did one and not the other, that'll be good for you to see the difference between the final result and continued growth you see. It's like an expirement. Biggest thing I can say is that you did too much at once and probably too much overall by what i can tell, next time just space out any defoliation.

Defoliation is one of those touchy subjects where some people really hate it and others really like it. With scrog you kinda don't have a choice because all that stuff under the net and so out of the light will die off anyway so why let the plant waste the energy on it. From the view that picture was taken it looked like you went too far. I think you could have left more leaves without them causing any shade. I personally don't like too much defoliation because my experience, which honestly is limited, was negative in that i saw negative results(but that wasnt a scrog grow, i do pull under net growth in my scrog because i see it just dies anyway).
Keep in mind leaves are important to a plants growth so limiting them is limiting the plants potential so you don't want to go overboard. Above the net I remove as little as possible, some people remove for airflow reasons to reduce chances of mold as well so i see benefit in that obviously. Like everything I think you gotta just try shit and find what works for your specific grow, everyones grow is so different so you gotta find what works for you.

As for whats going to happen, I never did exactly that so I don't really know. From what I've learned is that you will most likely stunt growth(longer flower time) and possibly lose yeild as well since you are inhibiting the plant by taking away pieces that help in plant growth. Along with the stunting comes stress, which could possibly lead to a domino effect of other problems but like i said i never did exactly that so I'm not sure whats going to happen. At least when you're all said and done you'll have the knowledge of what it causes.

Keep in mind with scrog your goal is to get all of the bud sites to the same height so you don't technically have "lower bud sites" because you trained all those lower branches up.

thanks for these much detail.
I can tell the one I hurt its grow slower than the other one I did not do defoliation
Will have some picture update this weekend.

would you defoliation during veg stage? just read a thread he did have very excellent result with defoliation in veg stage.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/how-to-scrog-up-bushy-nl-5xhaze-girls.891365/page-11#post-12355400
so much experts here in RIU. wish I can grow one like he did.
the thing that frustrated me most, is he didnt use as much watt as I do now.
I think your grow is going to have me hurt again, since I spend more money on power, and less harvest

 

[calliandra]

Have one fan leaves trimmed today.
Leave another one to see what will happen.

Yeah ouch, extremely clean lol

Though I must say this:
the extreme defoliation guys have plants that actually look like this, and somehow they still get yields -- BUT you have to consider

• they start defoliating very early on.
  They say that if a plant is used to getting stripped, it "learns" to replace those leaves more quickly.
  
• their plants look like yours does now much earlier - nearing end of veg.

So yes, doing this was way too late and you will get just the yield of the budsites you see now -- she probably won't be growing any new ones anymore...

Yep you grow you learn -- good call you only did it to one of them!
And who knows, maybe she'll grow really fat buds on those few sites
Cheers and good luck!

 

[budolskie]

19 days of 12/12 I hope it turns out ok


I have been just pulling a few leafs off every few days but left branches alone for about 6 days now

 

[ligrow]

Yeah ouch, extremely clean lol

Though I must say this:
the extreme defoliation guys have plants that actually look like this, and somehow they still get yields -- BUT you have to consider

• they start defoliating very early on.
  They say that if a plant is used to getting stripped, it "learns" to replace those leaves more quickly.
  
• their plants look like yours does now much earlier - nearing end of veg.

So yes, doing this was way too late and you will get just the yield of the budsites you see now -- she probably won't be growing any new ones anymore...

Yep you grow you learn -- good call you only did it to one of them!
And who knows, maybe she'll grow really fat buds on those few sites
Cheers and good luck!

Thanks for checking my grow!

they start defoliating very early on.
I did realized that right after I got her hurt...
They said only do it if you have already defoliating in veg.

their plants look like yours does now much earlier - nearing end of veg.
Sorry im not quite sure what do you mean.
I got it defoliating first time in about day 21 after I flip.

So yes, doing this was way too late and you will get just the yield of the budsites you see now -- she probably won't be growing any new ones anymore...
Yes I did know that. This is not my first time scrog. I thought I am going to have the same yield compare with my previous grow which is really bad. Only pull 120 grams for two plants in 4 x 4 tent.
My previous grow, only first bud on the top got bigger, anything below then first bud are small.
I wonder how can people have the buds all over the branch, its like baseball bat or something.
so this is pretty much why I decided start defoliating this late.

You have mentioned you defoliating in veg, may I know how often you do it?

really appreciate your check out and the knowledge you share.
Have a nice day

 

[ligrow]

19 days of 12/12 I hope it turns out ok View attachment 3616384
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I have been just pulling a few leafs off every few days but left branches alone for about 6 days now

look nice!
What do you going to deal with the buds sites below the net?

 

[budolskie]

I'm unsure yet I'm hoping for advice aswell but I will see how much Is growing underneath through next week and start trimming the lower stuff off

 

[ligrow]

Got home early today, had a chance take some pics before lights on.
Almost 28 days after flip
Got my gh liquid and powder kool bloom arrived. Had my res changed with gh flora two parts 8 ml micro 16 bloom per gal. Before I add kool bloom ec was 1.4 after I add 2ml per gal kool boom it raise 0.1 to 1.5. Not sure if I should add more kool bloom or just gh two part to take up the ec?

First pic the one that I hurt them by took off all the fan leaves.



The other one that does not hurt

Both of them

 

[ligrow]

Good day guys,
Into 32 days after flip
I found I some sign on leaves, don't know what problem am I having.
Please see pics below.
I have leaves kind of turning yellow and show brown at the edge.
Could any one help me to identify if my girls are not feeling well.

After couple weeks watch differences between two of my plants. I would say not much different on buds size so far. One you that I cut all the fan leaves off actually have better production on trichom. Still not sure what sure I do for next run. Maybe defolaiting during whole cycle? Any advice?
Cheers

 

[Anon Emaus]

Good day guys,
Into 32 days after flip
I found I some sign on leaves, don't know what problem am I having.
Please see pics below.
I have leaves kind of turning yellow and show brown at the edge.
Could any one help me to identify if my girls are not feeling well.

After couple weeks watch differences between two of my plants. I would say not much different on buds size so far. One you that I cut all the fan leaves off actually have better production on trichom. Still not sure what sure I do for next run. Maybe defolaiting during whole cycle? Any advice?
Cheers

Just a hair of nute burn maybe, pics look so minimal i wouldn't worry about it unless it progresses or unless others look much worse than those and therems a lot of them. I say wait until this grow is done and use your best judgement on what you think works best for you and just continue to improve and improve, you can only get better!

 

[714steadyeddie]

Got home early today, had a chance take some pics before lights on.
Almost 28 days after flip
Got my gh liquid and powder kool bloom arrived. Had my res changed with gh flora two parts 8 ml micro 16 bloom per gal. Before I add kool bloom ec was 1.4 after I add 2ml per gal kool boom it raise 0.1 to 1.5. Not sure if I should add more kool bloom or just gh two part to take up the ec?

First pic the one that I hurt them by took off all the fan leaves.
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The other one that does not hurt
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Both of them
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I hope you're not always bugging the plants during lights off

 

[ligrow]

I hope you're not always bugging the plants during lights off

Thanks for the notice. I dont always bugging plants during lights off.
I took pics only like ten minutes before lights on. that should be fine right?

 

[ligrow]

Just a hair of nute burn maybe, pics look so minimal i wouldn't worry about it unless it progresses or unless others look much worse than those and therems a lot of them. I say wait until this grow is done and use your best judgement on what you think works best for you and just continue to improve and improve, you can only get better!

Thanks for the feedback again
I actually have same symptom last run. the leaves turned yellow much earlier then it should. thats why I worry about it right now. I will keep looking to see if it gets worst.