2 Week old seedling, stunted, deformed, and just not good at all.

[kmog33]

Good ahead and quote me if you want. I already said my intent was that I meant from when they start to to when I begin my flush. Of course when I flush I see deficiencies and my plants and they will start to look like your pictures of a plant in its 1st -2nd week of flower. Otherwise I would have said from the cradle to the grave.

So you said I lied but that's not calling me a liar? Semantics much?

No, everybody lies, some people are liars. You maybe misstated and it came across as dishonest. I've seen you around here a bit so I know you're not someone who constantly lies(a liar), so I just called out the one. Not really semantic in my opinion, everyone lies, some people always lie. There's a pretty important distinction in my book.

If you're getting deficiencies like that 1st or second week of flower that's not great either. Are you flushing the entire flowering cycle? Plants should stay mostly green until the last week or so of flower of you flush or leach. Which I don't know why anyone flushes, especially in soilless or hydro as you can literally just swap out the res for 2-3 days at the end of cycle and they tend to fade pretty fast, or you can lower your nutrient regimen every week the last few weeks of flower and they'll naturally fade. Unless you nute the shot of of your plants and you have salt buildup, flushing tends to be detrimental. I would say especially detrimental if you're showing deficiencies fro week one of flower all the way through to week 8-12...


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[AbeFroman]

Also, do you have a reason for flushing or is that just something someone told you to do at somepoint and you're still in the habit?


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1. Because I don't need to waste nutrients on plants that are pretty much done and I don't want them to dry up.

2. I don't see any downside to giving them straight water once I feel they are where they should be.

 

[AbeFroman]

No, everybody lies, some people are liars. You maybe misstated and it came across as dishonest. I've seen you around here a bit so I know you're not someone who constantly lies(a liar), so I just called out the one. Not really semantic in my opinion, everyone lies, some people always lie. There's a pretty important distinction in my book.

If you're getting deficiencies like that 1st or second week of flower that's not great either. Are you flushing the entire flowering cycle? Plants should stay mostly green until the last week or so of flower of you flush or leach. Which I don't know why anyone flushes, especially in soilless or hydro as you can literally just swap out the res for 2-3 days at the end of cycle and they tend to fade pretty fast, or you can lower your nutrient regimen every week the last few weeks of flower and they'll naturally fade. Unless you nute the shot of of your plants and you have salt buildup, flushing tends to be detrimental. I would say especially detrimental if you're showing deficiencies fro week one of flower all the way through to week 8-12...


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It is a semantic when I clarified what I said. You are turning it into a lie. I didn't say anything ubtruthful. I just communicated what i intended to say poorly. Even though I clarified you want to ride it further as though I was intentionally dishonest. Continuing to do so would be a lie on your part.

I already said I water with nutrients through the whole cycle until the final flush.

 

[kmog33]

1. Because I don't need to waste nutrients on plants that are pretty much done and I don't want them to dry up.

2. I don't see any downside to giving them straight water once I feel they are where they should be.

You're showing deficiencies week 1-2 of flower and don't think your plants need those Nutes.

Misspoke about the cotyledon, that's what i thought his bottom set were, on the phone so I guess I should've taken a better look at the picture.


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[AbeFroman]

You're showing deficiencies week 1-2 of flower and don't think your plants need those Nutes.

Misspoke about the cotyledon, that's what i thought his bottom set were, on the phone so I guess I should've taken a better look at the picture.


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I never said I was showing deficiencies at week one or two. I said the picture of a plant YOU posted that appears to be suffering during week one or two.

 

[kmog33]

It is a semantic when I clarified what I said. You are turning it into a lie. I didn't say anything ubtruthful. I just communicated it poorly. Even though I clarified you want to ride it further as though I was intentionally dishonest. Continuing to do so would be a lie on your part.

I already said I water with nutrients through the whole cycle until the final flush.

Did I not state, " maybe you misspoke"?

It's sounded like you were intentionally being dishonest on the initial post, which is when I called it out. After clarifying that you may have misspoken. Are you arguing just to argue or do you have a point here.

My point has been

If you have fed a plant that size several times, and it's still showing deficiencies. You should correct your soil/media imbalances, not feed, because in all likeliness your media is over saturated with nutrients causing lockout.


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[kmog33]

I never said I was showing deficiencies at week one or two. I said the picture of a plant YOU posted that appears to be suffering during week one or two.

Oh lol it's 12/12 from seed and showed the deficiency when I left for two days, party cup comp. could be week one or week 3 I dunno it's a super long flowering haze though so we'll see. The other plant is in veg so not really showing flowering deficiencies at all.


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[AbeFroman]

Did I not state, " maybe you misspoke"?

It's sounded like you were intentionally being dishonest on the initial post, which is when I called it out. After clarifying that you may have misspoken. Are you arguing just to argue or do you have a point here.

My point has been

If you have fed a plant that size several times, and it's still showing deficiencies. You should correct your soil/media imbalances, not feed, because in all likeliness your media is over saturated with nutrients causing lockout.


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Maybe you should go back and read what you said. I clearly stated the intent of what I meant to say regarding when I started my flush and you still continued to say that it was a "lie".

I already said we just have different ways of doing things and am done. This is my last post. OP can do what ever he wants

I don't care how many times he said he fed it. The plant is still deficient and stick by what I say. He can keep feeding it all he wants at 1/5 strength. That is not causing the issue like you said it was. That is not burn from hot soil as you stated. That necrosis is not burn.It needs either more nutrition either through ph adjustment or though more nutrients.

I'm on a phone too and can still make out obvious fundamental plant anatomy like a leaf.

 

[kmog33]

Maybe you should go back and read what you said. I clearly stated the intent of what I meant to say regarding when I started my flush and you still continued to say that it was a "lie".

I already said we just have different ways of doing things and am done. This is my last post. OP can do what ever he wants

I don't care how many times he said he fed it. The plant is still deficient and stick by what I say. He can keep feeding it all he wants at 1/5 strength. That is not causing the issue like you said it was. That is not burn from hot soil as you stated. That necrosis is not burn.It needs either more nutrition either through ph adjustment or though more nutrients.

I'm on a phone too and can still make out obvious fundamental plant anatomy like a leaf.

So you think when a plant is locking out nutrients, it's a good idea to give them more nutrients to fix the problem? Even if it is specifically a ph rested issue this would cause more problems than it would solve.


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[AbeFroman]

So you think when a plant is locking out nutrients, it's a good idea to give them more nutrients to fix the problem? Even if it is specifically a ph rested issue this would cause more problems than it would solve.


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You say it's a lockout but that is speculation on your part. Everything that runs through my soiless medium is nutrient enriched. So if I see lockout that is likely a ph issue I would charge the medium with the same nutrient base using a ph correction and just make sure I have runoff. My intent is to correct the uptake by changing the ph of the system.If its still showed those same symptoms and was sure my ph was correct via calibration i would up my nutrients, calmag, or question my ph meter accuracy. Either way it's being fed a nutrient enriched solution. That's what I would do.

Lockout from such a small nutrient solution would be one of the the last things on my list. I would look into excess coco salts not being flushed and causing negative feedback before that crossed my mind.

 

[Skittles McP]

Ok I feel a need to step in at this point. Probably should have done it sooner but what's done is done. I pretty much kept up my regimen with the exception that I added more cal/mag to the nute solution. I also added a light P boost.
So far things are looking great. The discoloration/fading/necrosis has been contained to the lower leaves where it began. All of the new leaves look very green and healthy.
AbeFroman I thank you for your input. I think you were right.

Now that being said. Haven't either of you heard of nute lockout from deficiency? That is a thing. So you could have both been right in a way. I think it was definitely deficient. But whether it was from lack of nutrients or from lockout(due to PH or otherwise), the plant is no longer deficient.

Kmog 33 I don't know how you think my medium was hot. I fed twice with 1/5 strength nutes at the time of the original post. That doesn't seem like conditions that lead to nute lockout from hot medium. At least to me. And for the record the plant was 16 days old so it was right around the time when it would start needing nutes in a sterile medium anyway.

Here are some pictures of the plant now. Thank you everyone for your inputs. Now I have one more question. Have you ever seen a plant this small at 1 month old? I have put a tooth brush next to it for scale. Was this just stunted growth from the previous problems I've had? Or do you think it's just genetics?

 

[Skittles McP]

The leaves are just crazy small

 

[AbeFroman]

I'm glad to see things are going well

I have seen a plant that small. I typically attribute it to an unhealthy/ubderdeveloped root system since plants tend to be proportional to the size of their root zone. It can probably be salvaged though.

How much estimated solution are you applying at a time? It quite frankly blows my mind to see how dry your medium is in your pictures.

 

[jackblaster]

Wow a month really? I am going to say that is kinda small yes, but I grow in soil. Is probably fine for what you are doing. This picture was taken 2/20..




The day I planted that sour, the other babies were planted a few days later that same week, this picture was taken today I used the watch as size reference.





How did you come to the decision to go soiless if I may ask? Props to you for it, learning curve is a bit steep ehh?

 

[jackblaster]

Those bags you are using dry out quickly for such a baby, and your plant needs more moisture available. Which is to say its not wet enough, but I am really just repeating myself.

Moving forward, perhaps sprouting in something easier to keep moist would be wise. Even a just a rock-wool plug would have made this whole process easier and the little lady would something to outgrow. Really just thinking out loud here man. But yeah, water.. Whole plant is just water storage creation bag thing right? It holds water as its function/survival/our high by some alchemy , so but its related, the size and how much water the plant has access to and its size, that's just water, I am not going to talk nutes. I think you could run just water over that plant for a few, like 5 minutes then wait an hour and do it again, like for awhile. You will see and understand this shit about the water the same day Id wager. Is just thirsty.

 

[JOHN THE DUKE]

so mine aint so bad if i get new leaves coming in green must been seaweed extract foilar spray or the water was high in ph level but it's just on 1 solitary set of leavesthat is a regular size lighter

 

[AbeFroman]

so mine aint so bad if i get new leaves coming in green must been seaweed extract foilar spray or the water was high in ph level but it's just on 1 solitary set of leavesView attachment 3634761that is a regular size lighter

Yours looks a little overfed with possible N toxicity being that dark green and what appears to be slight clawing. That spot on the leaf looks like it could be light bleaching. I would water half strength of what ever you are feeding with plenty of runoff asap and see how it responds in a few days, and water 70% the following waterings after that until it lightens up a little and adjust from there incrementally moving forward.. I would raise my light too.

 

[JOHN THE DUKE]

yes sir.

 

[mel1306]

My initial thought was that the seed has been exposed to radiation which can cause this deformity. If you got your seeds from bag its possible that one of the early handlers may have microwaved the bud even slightly to dry it out.

The strain is Kabrales by Blimburn. The plant is just runty and deformed. I was unsure of the problem but now I have started to notice some slight yellowing of the leaves and a couple small brown spots. I think it might be a Phosphorus deficiency but it seems way to early in the plants life cycle for that to be happening. These pics were taken just today. I am feeding/watering at 1/5 strength every 2 - 3 days using General Organics. Feed, Feed, Water, repeat. PH is 5.8 -5.9. Humidity it hovering around 40%. Temps running approx 77 degrees. Medium is 50/50 coco/perlite. There is a layer of perlite on top. Plant is in a 3 gallon smart pot.

If you look at the leaves, they are small and deformed. They kind of hook under a little. Anyone know what my problem might be? I feel like the leaves should look much bigger and healthier at 2 weeks old.
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[propertyoftheUS]

WTF?

My initial thought was that the seed has been exposed to radiation which can cause this deformity. If you got your seeds from bag its possible that one of the early handlers may have microwaved the bud even slightly to dry it out.

Exposed to radiation? Come on lol. Straight from Chernobyl? Dude most deformities are either genetic or stress. Over watered or fuct up ph usually. Never heard of getting a bagseed from a microwaved bud lol that is until...