The far red thread

Hybridway

Hybridway

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Banana444 said:
I should post some pics of my current run, i have 2 600w verticals going, hortilux eye, and the buds are seriously packing on weight, i easily will hit my goal of 1# per 600w. Then i have a 4x8 with 3 lights 4 cxb3590s each @~75w per cob. Buds are looking excellent in both areas but the hps seem to really add the bulk more so than the leds. Dont get me wrong i really like the leds, in a horizontal setup, they penetrate better than hps, especially with the angelina reflectors. I have been keeping temps 79-81 lights on, 66 lights off, so no coldness issues stunting the led side of things.
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room temps are correct but I am referring to the IR itselfs effects on leaf temp. & photosynthesis. I believe it causes the second growth spurt in itself. Not so much ambient or room temp. Or even canopy temp. I use CBX 3070's w/ mono diodes around it that are IR, red, white, n blue. My other LED contains IR in its spectral graph as well. But what I'm wondering is do you think it'll be enough or have the same effects I'm hoping for?
Sounds like we have similiar grows going on. Feel free to PM me or stop by one of my threads. I'd like to see what your working with.
Am seriously considering getting some BML bars with 660,680, & 730nm.
 
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PurpleBuz

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Hybridway said:
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room temps are correct but I am referring to the IR itselfs effects on leaf temp. & photosynthesis. I believe it causes the second growth spurt in itself..
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not sure what your sayin ... but Far RED != Infra Red.


and no I don't think that extra growth spurt is because of the infra red that hid systems produce, unless you are running your rooms cold.
 
Hybridway

Hybridway

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PurpleBuz said:
not sure what your sayin ... but Far RED != Infra Red.


and no I don't think that extra growth spurt is because of the infra red that hid systems produce, unless you are running your rooms cold.
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It happens to all bud under the HID. Some strains more then others. Room temps are between 77-85. Canopy is 82-90. It's not fox tails either. To much meat to be FoxTails. I'm talking heavy growth. Right when one would think everything is done based on appearance of hairs not Trichlones. They will all receed. Two days later, all new white hairs sprouting causing a huge swell in the bud with thick shoots off it. I swear this extras growth spurt is responsible for at least a 3 lb. addition to the 12 plants within 5 days. But it only happens where the HID is direct. Meaning all the edges of the room, whether they have Floros directly or less HPS light, does not get the second growth. So, I do believe it is from the far-red & IR. at first I thought it was just genetics in my OBB but I see it happening to all my strains.
Is this why so many tend to Yeild more per sq' then w/ LED I wonder? Running my first LED grow now & am dying to find out. Like I said, I did buy 2 lights that contain IR & far-red but I doubt it's the same as what's in my bulbs. Time will tell for me but I was hoping someone here with HPS & LED experience might be able to chime in.
So far I believe that UV & IR do play an imoprtant role in the production of our buds. I personally think that MJ should have its own Photosynthetic Action Spectrum aside from other crops.
 
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PurpleBuz

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Hybridway said:
It happens to all bud under the HID. Some strains more then others. Room temps are between 77-85. Canopy is 82-90. It's not fox tails either. To much meat to be FoxTails. I'm talking heavy growth. Right when one would think everything is done based on appearance of hairs not Trichlones. They will all receed. Two days later, all new white hairs sprouting causing a huge swell in the bud with thick shoots off it. I swear this extras growth spurt is responsible for at least a 3 lb. addition to the 12 plants within 5 days. But it only happens where the HID is direct. Meaning all the edges of the room, whether they have Floros directly or less HPS light, does not get the second growth. So, I do believe it is from the far-red & IR. at first I thought it was just genetics in my OBB but I see it happening to all my strains.
Is this why so many tend to Yeild more per sq' then w/ LED I wonder? Running my first LED grow now & am dying to find out. Like I said, I did buy 2 lights that contain IR & far-red but I doubt it's the same as what's in my bulbs. Time will tell for me but I was hoping someone here with HPS & LED experience might be able to chime in.
So far I believe that UV & IR do play an imoprtant role in the production of our buds. I personally think that MJ should have its own Photosynthetic Action Spectrum aside from other crops.
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poppycock prove it
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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Hybridway said:
It happens to all bud under the HID. Some strains more then others. Room temps are between 77-85. Canopy is 82-90. It's not fox tails either. To much meat to be FoxTails. I'm talking heavy growth. Right when one would think everything is done based on appearance of hairs not Trichlones. They will all receed. Two days later, all new white hairs sprouting causing a huge swell in the bud with thick shoots off it. I swear this extras growth spurt is responsible for at least a 3 lb. addition to the 12 plants within 5 days. But it only happens where the HID is direct. Meaning all the edges of the room, whether they have Floros directly or less HPS light, does not get the second growth. So, I do believe it is from the far-red & IR. at first I thought it was just genetics in my OBB but I see it happening to all my strains.
Is this why so many tend to Yeild more per sq' then w/ LED I wonder? Running my first LED grow now & am dying to find out. Like I said, I did buy 2 lights that contain IR & far-red but I doubt it's the same as what's in my bulbs. Time will tell for me but I was hoping someone here with HPS & LED experience might be able to chime in.
So far I believe that UV & IR do play an imoprtant role in the production of our buds. I personally think that MJ should have its own Photosynthetic Action Spectrum aside from other crops.
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I don't really believe this, I got a plant right now that's going thru a huge growth spurt under my LEDs (which do have 730nm diodes) and it's week 8. They so fat and heavy every bud had to be yoyo'd for support (they were all flopping over). I think that is more strain dependent than anything.
 
testiclees

testiclees

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Yodaweed said:
I don't really believe this, I got a plant right now that's going thru a huge growth spurt under my LEDs (which do have 730nm diodes) and it's week 8. They so fat and heavy every bud had to be yoyo'd for support (they were all flopping over). I think that is more strain dependent than anything.
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Are you using the 730nm @ lights out or other times as well?
Thanks.

Pic?
 
Hybridway

Hybridway

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Yodaweed said:
I don't really believe this, I got a plant right now that's going thru a huge growth spurt under my LEDs (which do have 730nm diodes) and it's week 8. They so fat and heavy every bud had to be yoyo'd for support (they were all flopping over). I think that is more strain dependent than anything.
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Thanks for the insight. I'm hoping to get that swell w/ my LEDs. It's more like multiple calyx shoots then just a swell. But I'm not quite understanding why it only happens where the more intense HPS hits n not the edges of the room where there is light too just not the bulb light? I'm glad my LEDs have IR diodes & spectra & am hoping for this swelling in that room too.
 
testiclees

testiclees

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Yodaweed said:
Nah they are included in one of my LEDs so I run it all day, makes the plants stretch a lot but big yields.
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Is that why you were saying earlier that the minimal 730nm exposure seemed useless in your opinion? Do you know how many 730nm watts are deployed overall in your light?

Are you running it the same through veg?

Thanks
 
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