why do you hate political correctness?

smokinschwag

smokinschwag

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Fogdog said:
Sure I do. But I wasn't directing my comment to you. I was replying to somebody else to simplify your convoluted and obtuse post.

And we aren't friends or as you say, "buds".
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Not friends! Convoluted...What! Obtuse! How dare you consult an online thesaurus to throw such daggers at my heart! It's weird, Fogdog. Don't tell anyone, but my self-esteem kinda-sorta depends on your validation.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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smokinschwag said:
Not friends! Convoluted...What! Obtuse! How dare you consult an online thesaurus to throw such daggers at my heart! It's weird, Fogdog. Don't tell anyone, but my self-esteem kinda-sorta depends on your validation.
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smokinschwag said:
Although the burden of proof would normally be placed on you, I've determined that I should probably be the one to break this down on your behalf, bud.

Condensed version: Basically, be loving, polite, civil, and helpful to your fellow man, regardless of race, color and creed.
Original post: Let me preface my spill by saying that respect for others and a strong dedication to maintaining civility and equality is of the utmost importance to me.

Condensed version: Don't, however, allow yourself and your ideas to become bogged down by euphemisms and diluted by a pathological obsession with possibly hurting someone's feelings.
Original post: It upholds trivialities and surface structure, not underlying meaning.

Condensed version: This is not to say that one should intentionally hurt another person with words...
Original post: See the example I typed concerned the woman looking for a particular dress.

So, Fogdog, there you have it. The deconstruction of my paraphrased post reveals that each sentence of my single paragraph has a counterpart in the mother post.
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Nope
 
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ThickStemz

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bearkat42 said:
No chicken and egg here. If the black kids on the football team don't flex, he still has a job.
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True.... But what if it were the black kids on the debate team?

He didn't resign because blacks were upset. He resigned because rich white people in Missouri like football and he had had enough of it.

In other words he didn't listen to the black students.
 
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ThickStemz

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Fogdog said:
Ask yourself why those kids became angry? Just for the heck of it? Then ask why the put the the kids on the football team school scholarships on the line? Just for the heck of it? That's nuts. It was a ballsy move by the young men on the football team to put their necks on the line with the protesting students. It was in response to the tolerance of racist and homophobic behavior by others in either the community or the student body that the football team went all in with their peers.

The school president or whatever he was called wasn't providing a safe and healthy environment for the student body. Of course he had to go but the corrupt old boys on the board were clueless.

Then the president had to go, not on the grounds that he wasn't performing his duties but because the university was going to lose a whole lot of cash. But nobody complained until they were threatened by losing their football. Which all means that the racist boil hasn't been lanced yet. Missouri was forced to make a move towards modern times but there is more to be done.
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I'm a huge fan of it. But the student athletes in college football make millions of dollars for the university. Hundreds of millions. Their coaches all make 6 and 7 figures. Head coaches in big time college football make 2 to 8 million a year. Top coordinaters make over a mill. Graduate assistants, the lowest level of coaches make what most people would consider a great salary.

The kids doing most of the work and taking all of the risk get books meals and touition.

It would be an easy fix it not for title IX. What do we do with the girls soccer team? They're treated the same as men football and basketball players. But the soccer teams don't generate revenue. Basketball does at most schools and football does at all and in the big confrences it's huge business.
 
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ThickStemz said:
I'm a huge fan of it. But the student athletes in college football make millions of dollars for the university. Hundreds of millions. Their coaches all make 6 and 7 figures. Head coaches in big time college football make 2 to 8 million a year. Top coordinaters make over a mill. Graduate assistants, the lowest level of coaches make what most people would consider a great salary.

The kids doing most of the work and taking all of the risk get books meals and touition.

It would be an easy fix it not for title IX. What do we do with the girls soccer team? They're treated the same as men football and basketball players. But the soccer teams don't generate revenue. Basketball does at most schools and football does at all and in the big confrences it's huge business.
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I'm not sure what this has to do with the UM president resigning.

Title IX is not the reason college football athletes aren't getting paid, Title IX is a convenient excuse. A few tweaks to the law and there would be no legal constraints. Its easy to see why the laws haven't been tweaked and the reasons can be counted on dollar bills.

I'd prefer if college could stay amateur with the focus being to prepare youth with a good education. In smaller schools without the big money games, most of the kids playing ball are there for the scholarship and chance to play a little longer for their own satisfaction. The stories of what goes on in big schools tells us this isn't the case and it's probably true that the best athletes go to college for the chance at pro football, not the education. I'd rather see the kids that don't really want the education go into semipro or some sort of developmental league where they can get paid as they do in baseball. But that's just my thing, I know I'm in the minority. No way a Crimson Tide fan would ever agree with me on this.
 
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ThickStemz

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Fogdog said:
I'm not sure what this has to do with the UM president resigning.

Title IX is not the reason college football athletes aren't getting paid, Title IX is a convenient excuse. A few tweaks to the law and there would be no legal constraints. Its easy to see why the laws haven't been tweaked and the reasons can be counted on dollar bills.

I'd prefer if college could stay amateur with the focus being to prepare youth with a good education. In smaller schools without the big money games, most of the kids playing ball are there for the scholarship and chance to play a little longer for their own satisfaction. The stories of what goes on in big schools tells us this isn't the case and it's probably true that the best athletes go to college for the chance at pro football, not the education. I'd rather see the kids that don't really want the education go into semipro or some sort of developmental league where they can get paid as they do in baseball. But that's just my thing, I know I'm in the minority. No way a Crimson Tide fan would ever agree with me on this.
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Crimson Tide? If Alabama played ISIS I would pull for ISIS.

Anyway, title ix basically gives equal rights to men and women in college atheletics. I've always thought this was fucked up because female atheletes have no counter to football. No woman's sport takes up 85 scholarships for one team.

So many schools have a plethora of female sports and just a few men's. It gives great make lacrosse players a disadvantage.

In some sense college ball players are better off than baseball players who go play semi pro ball for a few years then take menial jobs for the rest of their life.

Few things have lifted as many African Americans out of poverty as sports. Even many of the ones that don't play pro after college at least have a college degree for the rest of their lives.

But when huge amounts of money is at stake... Well you know.

I think teams like Alabama and Florida and Ohio state would love the chance to buy the best players. Its teams like ole miss and Perdue that would be at disadvantage.
 
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ThickStemz said:
Crimson Tide? If Alabama played ISIS I would pull for ISIS.

Anyway, title ix basically gives equal rights to men and women in college atheletics. I've always thought this was fucked up because female atheletes have no counter to football. No woman's sport takes up 85 scholarships for one team.

So many schools have a plethora of female sports and just a few men's. It gives great make lacrosse players a disadvantage.

In some sense college ball players are better off than baseball players who go play semi pro ball for a few years then take menial jobs for the rest of their life.

Few things have lifted as many African Americans out of poverty as sports. Even many of the ones that don't play pro after college at least have a college degree for the rest of their lives.

But when huge amounts of money is at stake... Well you know.

I think teams like Alabama and Florida and Ohio state would love the chance to buy the best players. Its teams like ole miss and Perdue that would be at disadvantage.
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The odds are that a pro player will be bankrupt within a few years after leaving the game. Browsing Wikipedia, I found this:
According to a 2009 Sports Illustrated article, 78% of National Football League (NFL) players are either bankrupt or commit suicide within two years of retirement and an estimated 60% ofNational Basketball Association players go bankrupt within five years after leaving their sport.

I can find no statistics on football college athlete's quality of life after college. There are a lot of anecdotes from NCAA football players that were successful after graduation who say they are a rarity. They say that most NCAA football players who graduate do so with relatively useless degrees. Also with serious health and emotional problems too. I think the story is better for athletes in lesser programs that don't have the same dollar value that football and basketball does at the NCAA colleges. So, overall, a tuition free scholarship benefits the students that apply themselves to get a good education too. On the other hand, basketball and football help finance those other sports and Title IX has a lot to do with that.

Which raises the question, why doesn't this country finance college for most of its students? Maybe tuition free scholarships for any promising high school graduate?
 
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ThickStemz

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Fogdog said:
The odds are that a pro player will be bankrupt within a few years after leaving the game. Browsing Wikipedia, I found this:
According to a 2009 Sports Illustrated article, 78% of National Football League (NFL) players are either bankrupt or commit suicide within two years of retirement and an estimated 60% ofNational Basketball Association players go bankrupt within five years after leaving their sport.

I can find no statistics on football college athlete's quality of life after college. There are a lot of anecdotes from NCAA football players that were successful after graduation who say they are a rarity. They say that most NCAA football players who graduate do so with relatively useless degrees. Also with serious health and emotional problems too. I think the story is better for athletes in lesser programs that don't have the same dollar value that football and basketball does at the NCAA colleges. So, overall, a tuition free scholarship benefits the students that apply themselves to get a good education too. On the other hand, basketball and football help finance those other sports and Title IX has a lot to do with that.

Which raises the question, why doesn't this country finance college for most of its students? Maybe tuition free scholarships for any promising high school graduate?
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Well, look, its a fair assumption that giving a kid who otherwise would have zero chance at college a free ride and an opportunity to earn it is a good thing and would help improve their lives.

IF that isn't helping them then who is to blame? It certainly isn't the college to blame, they give the kid an opportunity to earn an education. It was only in the last 20 years or so that these schools started making huge profits off of football. The head coach at my favorite University made less than 300k when I was a kid and he had won a National Championship, all be it at another school before he was hired to coach here. That same coach is paid 4 million today or more.

Anyway, to your point, about giving an education free to promising high school kids, we do that, it just isn't government funded. There are lodas of scholarships and things like this out there. IF you have straight As out of highschool you don't pay unless youre too picky.
 
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ThickStemz

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a senile fungus said:
Could you please tell me what the other top 4 or 9 are, respectively?
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Education is the primary one. Athletic scholarships, even to high schools in big cities, have been instrumental in getting large numbers of poor rural blacks into college.

Other things are government jobs.

Ending slavery and passing civil rights legislation.
 
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ThickStemz

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bearkat42 said:
And that's why he was fired. How many times are we going to do this?
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He wasn't fired.

By that point there was nothing he could do. The mob had already set their mind and he quit to appease them.

Just answer this... What could he have done at the onset?

What do you do as president when a non student drives by campus and says the n word? What do you do when someone shapes feces into a swastika? These people are unknown and can't be found. What could he have done?
 
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