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[Humanrob]

Fu-u-u-ck, anyone else have stink bugs?

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They are all over my lights and on the plants every night after I bring them in. Over a dozen tonight (so far) and 10+ on Sunday. They are in the garage, they aren't coming in from outside. They are a sucking bastards. Once I dispatch the first flush or two, that seems to be it for the night.

And the girls are growing like crazy! Averaging 9" tall, I'm thinking I'm going to need to transplant into gallons shortly. And pinch. I don't have a light set-up for 12, gallon pots. All in all though - I could have worse problems. Take a hit and chill, dude... F'in stink bugs.

I didn't realize those were stink bugs... I see them everywhere, not in huge numbers, but they are always around.

About 90% of my seeds popped, so I'll probably have some extras. I know what you mean about making space for all the 1 gallon pots, I'll be squeezing them in a closet space until about May 15th. Then I'm thinking I'll put them outside in their 1 gal pots until June 1st when they get up-potted or put in the ground.

 

[Dear ol" Thankful Grower!]

O yes oregon grows spring is here but im still inside and staying inside back left is @dababydroman cross back right pbr (pineapple blueberry raspberry) front left another pbr it was just a stick when i got it and front right heartstopper waiting for em to be scrogged out as you see still a very long ways to go

 

[WV: Jetson]

I didn't realize those were stink bugs... I see them everywhere, not in huge numbers, but they are always around.

Squish one or two an' than smell your finger, man-n-n.

 

[Humanrob]

Squish one or two an' than smell your finger, man-n-n.

Interesting... I've always thought of "stink bugs" as those big black beetles that can spray stinky stuff, but hey, lots of bugs qualify for the title. lol

Here's a quick update of the two I've had out since February. The little Chemdawg 91 was looking like a girl about two weeks into flower, and she's looked that way for at least a month... so I was going to pull her and make more room in the count for big healthy plants. My wife wouldn't have it, she said that girl has had it rough, put up with a lot of shit, and we are going to give her a chance. So, this morning we put her in the ground in the garden amongst mostly flowers, not in the predominantly food areas (its all mixed up). The SourD is still in its 10 gallon pot, and seems to be trying to figure out what to do next. We'll see what she decides (continue flowering? go back into veg? conundrum...).

 

[DG1959]

Will reveg , and late summer flower. ... yield will be less.

 

[Humanrob]

Will reveg , and late summer flower. ... yield will be less.

DG, when you say "late summer flower" -- do you think it will flower later than it would have if it had a 'normal' life cycle? I've heard the yield will be less, not a problem, we should have plenty. Hopefully the quality won't be diminished (?). I prefer not to waste time, space, and head count with a mediocre plant, but my wife is the patient so she's the boss.

 

[WV: Jetson]

First of all: always listen to the boss! Second: there is a seed catalog I buy from (J. L. Hudson) and enjoy the philosophies of, who advocates for keeping the stragglers, runts, slowest sprouting plants from seed. He believes the most beautiful, fragrant flowers come from these seedlings that start off a little slower. Granted, he's not commenting on MJ... Was Chemdawg from seed or a cut? Finally, we are at that time of light where the ladies want to show off and blossom. Vegging and than flipping to flower, and than flipping back to veg and flower one more time can only be hard on the girls. One of my ultimate goals is to calculate when to plant a seed in the ground and have it grow/flower unadulterated from artificial light support. Maybe I'll put a few seeds in the ground when I put the ladies out for good. Compare the final results. I'm with you HR - I'm not looking for poundage. Two or three years and I should have this under my belt...

 

[Humanrob]

The Chem was from a clone, and she struggled from day one. That's why she got bumped from the tent. I mostly work from clones bought at dispensaries (or ones I take myself... from clones I bought at dispensaries). This is only the second time I've popped seeds, and I'm still kind of nervous about screwing the delicate little things up.

I'm not sure how long it will take me to feel I have this down. I keep changing things, trying new techniques, not growing the same strains twice. I seem to be elongating my learning curve by throwing myself non-stop curve balls. It's most notable with the outdoor, because we only have one shot at that per year. In the same 12 months I've done about 4 indoor runs -- lots more time to try things, screw up, start again.

So the first hurdle will be picking just a couple of strains to grow, and then choosing one method. I've got two parallel learning curves, because indoor and outdoor are each their own world and I haven't settled into a groove in either realm, yet.

 

[Humanrob]

I was just rereading this, and I have no control over it. The seedlings are in the kitchen near a window where they get some sunlight and are under CFLs, and we don't have AC, so that part of the house got up to 82º this afternoon. After tomorrow it will cool back down again, but I'm at the mercy of the weather (inside and out). Oh well... could be a lot of boys in my garden.

Quoting from Deb at OGS (and following her advice):
"I would also add that higher temps (in early veg) will increase the MALE to female ratio - more males.
When working with regular seed stock and going for max number of FEMALES, you will increase your female percentage by:
1. Keeping the light period down to 16.5 hours - absolutely no more than 18 hours. (I usually do a 17/7 light schedule in veg till preflowers show)
2. Keeping temps in the plant's immediate area around 65-68 degrees. Definitely keep below 70 degrees."

 

[WV: Jetson]

Yeah, well don't feel too bad, you have company. I was bringing the plants in to put them under the buggy lights** and just happened to look the the timer which is all screwed up, on & off wise. It's a household model with a ring of pins you pull out for off and push in for on. I must have bumped it a few times with the seed flat, end result being that the lights have been on for more like 19 - 20 hours. Insert self applied dope slap here. I didn't just want to slam them back, so I'm ticking off an hour every couple of days... sigh. I was also wondering if the hot temps they experienced outside this last week will have an impact, on the sexual side of development. Growth side - they loved it!

** fingers crossed - I think I got 'em all. I didn't find any last night, but it was only one night. We'll see.

My advice for seed starting is to start in soil (not a high octane mix, but also not a seed starting mix), no pre-soak or paper towel. I'm under T 12 fluorescent's, so I keep the light right on top of the six packs and seedlings once they emerge. I don't touch them until I transplant after the first pair of true leaves are strongly growing. I don't pick off the helmet, I don't "help" if two leaves are stuck are stuck together. I don't raise the lights until they are touching 'em. Don't over water. Almost easy, right?

 

[Organja]

Subbed!

 

[Humanrob]

Yeah, well don't feel too bad, you have company. I was bringing the plants in to put them under the buggy lights** and just happened to look the the timer which is all screwed up, on & off wise. It's a household model with a ring of pins you pull out for off and push in for on. I must have bumped it a few times with the seed flat, end result being that the lights have been on for more like 19 - 20 hours. Insert self applied dope slap here. I didn't just want to slam them back, so I'm ticking off an hour every couple of days... sigh. I was also wondering if the hot temps they experienced outside this last week will have an impact, on the sexual side of development. Growth side - they loved it!

** fingers crossed - I think I got 'em all. I didn't find any last night, but it was only one night. We'll see.

My advice for seed starting is to start in soil (not a high octane mix, but also not a seed starting mix), no pre-soak or paper towel. I'm under T 12 fluorescent's, so I keep the light right on top of the six packs and seedlings once they emerge. I don't touch them until I transplant after the first pair of true leaves are strongly growing. I don't pick off the helmet, I don't "help" if two leaves are stuck are stuck together. I don't raise the lights until they are touching 'em. Don't over water. Almost easy, right?

Do you use a (clear) covered sprouting tray? I started in Rapid Rooters. This year as soon as they popped I put the RR into soil, I tried not to touch or disturb the seed. Next time I'll probably start them in soil. I'm using a bunch of old CFLs from my first grow...

EDIT: I decided to move stuff around and use my old Mars Reflector and a couple of hours of sunlight through a window. I'll keep an eye on them and see how this works.


It will be interesting to see how many boys and girls we end out with. I don't plan on taking clones and force sexing them, so I won't know until August.

 

[WV: Jetson]

Welcome on board Organja.

Do you use a (clear) covered sprouting tray?

It will be interesting to see how many boys and girls we end out with. I don't plan on taking clones and force sexing them, so I won't know until August.

I cut open a produce bag and thumbtack it to the sides of the flat - suspend it above the s packs. Once a couple have sprouted, I remove it for good. It's going to be very interesting indeed!

 

[WV: Jetson]

I potted up yesterday into gallons.



My plan is to pinch 'em after they settle down from transplanting. The Swiss Strawberry is the skunk-iest of the bunch. Pungent. I'm also jigging up some supplemental lighting. Not only is the outdoor light not quite there (come on length of day!), they're predicting high 30s the next couple of nights.

 

[Humanrob]

I lost my focus for a bit, crossed my wires. I had a grow that went bad before, and I've slowly been trying to grow the strains I lost in that one. So far I've done the GG#4, and I have the Bruce Banner #3 going now, but I hadn't done the J1 yet. So I found a clone and was going to run it in my outdoor.

A few weeks into vegging in an indoor space, I noticed a small spot of PM on it... that is how I lost that other crop. My RH in my grow space has been between 48-56% with lots of air movement, that's not what I consider prime PM territory (and nothing else in that space or my other is affected). I've seen a few examples of plants that are known to be susceptible, and I am now convinced J1 is one of them. Shame, it comes from such good lineage (Jack Herer x Skunk #1).

At any rate, I tossed it. Just thought I'd mention it, I'm sure all the other Wet Side Oregonian outdoor growers are well aware of strains that are good for our climate and ones that aren't, but it's something we need to keep on top of. I would love to hear about ones that do particularly well, and those we should stay away from. I've been disappointed with the lack of knowledge (for the most part) in local dispensaries about clones and what their strengths and weaknesses are in terms of outdoor growing.

 

[WV: Jetson]

I've been disappointed with the lack of knowledge (for the most part) in local dispensaries about clones and what their strengths and weaknesses are in terms of outdoor growing.

I think knowledge will be coming, we all need to get a couple, three years under our belts. I can see dispensaries that specialize in outdoor grown weed, and will have better varietal info, growers branding terroir (Willamette Valley Floodplain, Coastal Foothills), aging, etc... how old is the oldest bud anyone has ever smoked - good or bad? I think as vendors gain that knowledge base, as the farmer is asking for that info; it can only become more prevalent. How sweet would it be to go to Portland Nursery and peruse tables of outdoor seedlings? With little plastic tags giving spacing suggestions and days until harvest...

Back to the here and now: my cheap assed supplemental lighting set up. A pair of reflectors with a pair of 23w CFLs each. Still aiming for just after Mother's Day. That has a
nice ring to it: I planted my women on Mother's Day

 

[Humanrob]

The kids look good WV, should be a good season.

 

[Humanrob]

My sprouts are a couple of weeks (?) behind yours @WV: Jetson , but they seem to have taken. The clones I took are a bit rough -- the Happy Frog soil seems a kind of hot for them and the COB lights are making them thirsty for cal-mag. But its been two weeks and they're still alive, so that usually means they've rooted. There are two strains of clones and two strains from seeds, so that will pretty much make up my outdoor this year.

A couple of posts back I had a pic of these under a Mars light and getting direct sunlight. That lasted for one day. I wan't thinking. The pink/purple glow of that light in the window after dark was ridiculous. They are in my veg space now under a pair of Optic 120's without the lenses on.

 

[WV: Jetson]

Your babies will catch up quick! I got a chuckle about your lights being visible from outside. My nursery's in the garage that has a window facing the street. About a week in i thought I should check this from the outside. There are shrubs and trees in between so it's not like you could see in; it looked like someone left the garage light on... but for eight weeks? I covered the window that night. I get so focused from one perspective - it's always good for me to step back and look from another angle. My wife calls it pondering.

Happy plants - not even a week from potting up!

 

[WV: Jetson]

I'm takin' the girls for a walk this morning...



Plant count update: I culled a DK. Growing much slower then the rest, curling and mis-colored leaves. I suppose it could have been a nutrition issue, but everything has been identical for all 12. And, one of the CBC is developing into a lean, leggy looking plant. I'll give that one a little more time. Off to get my squat pots and soil today!