saturnlily
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i heard that you can put vinigar in your water that you water with and it'll lower th ph of your soil.... is it ok to use vinigar on your plants?
vinigar? for plants?
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gangjababy
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it's fine to use vinegar to lower your pH of your water
juststartin
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how much are we talking? like one drop per litre?
gangjababy
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I can't answer that, it all depends on the pH of your tapwater...
saturnlily
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well im using a 2 gallon watering container and it a 7ph i noticed coloring in the leaves ask "al b fuct" and he said it looked like nute lock and that 7 was to high for soil and to lower to about 6.5 or so.... cant afford phdown so i tried finding a way to do it in expensively and found vinigar as a sub for ph down but i didnt wanna ruin my plants so b4 i did it i thought id get some opinion.... if i got a 2 gallon "that waters all the plants i have together in one filling" how much should i put in the water to get it down .5 ?
gangjababy
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like I've said before I can't give you guys exact amounts! put a couple of drops and test it and then adjust further...
saturnlily
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i was actually asking a little bit of a different question but i worded it wrong sorry im a bit tired "bad sleeping schedule" ....... i was trying to c if you could tell me the ph my water should be when i water to get the ph to ABOUT 6.5?
saturnlily
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ok.... anyone?
toast master
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Hey Saturn.... are you growing in with dirt ... or hydro only... you should not use vinegar in hydro or dirt for that mater.... vinegar is a product of fermintation it only stops fermenting upon bottleing ... once you set the right temps the fermen. begins again and can throw a whole bunch of problems at you ... ph control is just not that expensive to use whats designed for it in hydro ops... guys talk about ,urine, baking soda, etc. gosh a quart is about 5$ use what you know will give the best results.. or you can just pee on it ...lol good luck
saturnlily
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ya i have a mental thing with the pee thing, i dont like the idea of smokeing my pee let alone selling to someone and them smoking my pee totally gross but i've looked around here and its like 15 a bottle here lowest they have and i just put alot of money into what i have and then got riped off a few times by some sites so im still trying to get seeds that grow or show up. i have one plant so far thats servived out of everything then again out of 3 orders(25seeds total) only3 germed and only ten showed up at my address the other 15 went poof. and of those 3 1 my kitty got to and one just keeled over. im just getting screwed my everything---oh,well thats life. so im gonna try and find someone here i can buy from maybe a person who isnt in the biz wont rip me off.
DoobyDoo
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Saturnlily: I have been using vinegar in my feedings and it hasn't hurt my plants at all. They are thriving, actually. I bought one of the pH test kits that comes with a little vial and a dropper of green stuff that has colors and numbers on it. When I first tested, the color indicated a pH between 6.5 and 7. I added white vinegar until the color indicated 6.0. This ultimately ended up being 2mL vinegar per gallon of water. If you are using nutrients, make sure to mix everything in before testing the pH... if I put molasses in my nutrient mixture, I have to add another 2mL vinegar to get the pH within range.
It isn't expensive ($9 for the pH tester, $2 for white vinegar) and takes all of 20 minutes of experimenting. Go for it!
Edit: To answer your question, from what I understand if you make sure your water is the correct pH and only water with that the soil will move toward that pH.
It isn't expensive ($9 for the pH tester, $2 for white vinegar) and takes all of 20 minutes of experimenting. Go for it!
Edit: To answer your question, from what I understand if you make sure your water is the correct pH and only water with that the soil will move toward that pH.
saturnlily
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well i got a ph tester already and the vingar as a house hold object.. which i actually got for .78 at walmart like 2weeks ago for my salads i just didnt wanna risk it b4 i got a chance to see if it was ok... thanks for letting me know all this by the way it'll really help out
thelastpirate
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Saturnlilly, Listen to Ganjababy. It's basic chemistry and NOT that difficult. You can use ANY acid to to reduce alkalinity, and vice versa, however I don't recommend using reagent grade sulphuric or hydrochloric acid for the average hobbyist. If you have a prob with vinegar, or pee (I'd pay cash money to see THAT one!!! LOL) you can always fall back on citric acid (Lemon or lime juice)
You just need to SLOWLY add the acid to your water and test. Keep doing that until your water is the desired pH. As for the pH of your soil, I take a sample of mine to my local nursery for testing. It's a free service they offer, and they only ask the vaguest of questions about what am I growing. Or you could measure the pH of your run off water.
Vinegar is not a direct product of fermentation. Fermentation is the process of converting sugars into CO2 and Alcohol. Acetic Acid is a product of the further conversion of alcohol into acetals. Acetic acid is as good as any acid to lower pH.
BTW, hows that bulb working out for ya?
You just need to SLOWLY add the acid to your water and test. Keep doing that until your water is the desired pH. As for the pH of your soil, I take a sample of mine to my local nursery for testing. It's a free service they offer, and they only ask the vaguest of questions about what am I growing. Or you could measure the pH of your run off water.
Vinegar is not a direct product of fermentation. Fermentation is the process of converting sugars into CO2 and Alcohol. Acetic Acid is a product of the further conversion of alcohol into acetals. Acetic acid is as good as any acid to lower pH.
BTW, hows that bulb working out for ya?
thelastpirate
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Dude, let those 3 week old plants be and let them do what they are gonna do. Dont start fucking with them until you have to. They are still in the development stage, and will do some shit that will look scary, but is in reality normal.
I killed off most of my first grow from "over attentiveness"!! When they have some growth established and can no longer be considered seedlings, THEN start looking at them a bit closer, and go easy on the ferts. You can kill them with love.
Seamaiden
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Ok, I'm gonna say that I think Al's off on his assessment. A pH of 7 is fine for the girls, and most soils that I've used seem to self-stabilize at around 7, whether the water's pH is high or low. Also, once you start messing around with trying to shift pH you will encounter problems if the water is well-buffered.
If you want a really cheap and easy solution to shifting the water's pH down, filter it through peat moss. It will look like tea, but it will be naturally softened and acidified, and most importantly will hold that lowered pH instead of bouncing back up.
If you want a really cheap and easy solution to shifting the water's pH down, filter it through peat moss. It will look like tea, but it will be naturally softened and acidified, and most importantly will hold that lowered pH instead of bouncing back up.
Seamaiden
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DAMN STRAIGHT! No truer words, friends, no truer words.
thelastpirate
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Lets see, there's a big bag of pro-mix peat moss in my garage, some hardware cloth and cheesecloth,.....HMMM, lemme think on this....... Once again, I thank you Seamaiden!!!
ya, i killed some 1 month old plants with kindness... using some store bought white vinegar. I flushed them to no avail after realizing i overdid it, but i guess i toxic shocked the crap out of them, most of them still looked fine when i started flushing and they all died anyways.
(i don't remember exactly how much i added to the water and i think i pH tested it before using it, but one way or another I know it was the vinegar.)
as with package fertilizer directions (often written for outdoor gardens) go easy. i also use like 1/2 strength of fertiler. and from now on i will be much more careful when trying to adjust pH. So don't be in a hurry to do an instant correction or you might get (fairly) instant death like i did.
(i don't remember exactly how much i added to the water and i think i pH tested it before using it, but one way or another I know it was the vinegar.)
as with package fertilizer directions (often written for outdoor gardens) go easy. i also use like 1/2 strength of fertiler. and from now on i will be much more careful when trying to adjust pH. So don't be in a hurry to do an instant correction or you might get (fairly) instant death like i did.
thelastpirate
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It may well be a pain in the ass, but ya REALLY gotta take it slow. Almost like add a drop & test. Add another drop & test. It all depends on how far out of whack the pH actually is, and the volume of water you are trying to buffer. With a gallon or more, if it's slightly alkaline, try a tsp at a time until you get close to where you want to be, then zero it in drop by drop. Ya just cant toss in a bit and cross your fingers. It's gonna take some patience.
Trying to radically alter the pH instantly (or quickly) can adversely affect alot of living things, and I can only assume that cannabis is one of them. Most living things like a "constant" environment, and any changes should be made SLOWLY to avoid shock.
Trying to radically alter the pH instantly (or quickly) can adversely affect alot of living things, and I can only assume that cannabis is one of them. Most living things like a "constant" environment, and any changes should be made SLOWLY to avoid shock.