Thai stick

[tstick]

a lot of bearing as the Original Thai stick as you know it was not grown in thailand technically

it was grown on the mekong river on island's exposed as the river drops.....planted at the end of the rainy season and harvested in nov...grown by the parents of the police chief of Vientiane ..they were all killed by the Khemer Rouge 2 years latter

taken to Laos ..oh the mekong is the border if you are not aware.....where it was hung in sheds and little old ladies sat around on the ground underneath and wrapped the sticks....they used mj stalk and string not bamboo..

it was then transported across the river to thailand by the army..where it was taken by the Thai army to the destination...Laos is landlocked....this was the first load...so grown in the river....no mans land....harvested and packaged in Laos....shipped thru thailand ..I guess 50/50 would be the reality..

just feel that the Laos people should be recognized the are very unprepossessing...true Buddhists

as the book says this stuff was fantastic and i have grown MJ all around the world in every way and would put it against anything...i can get the same strain still..and hope to be allowed to grow and import it..end of a career

read the book..sounds like they know what they are talking about....do not expect an apology to UnAmerican hahahaha it was an incredible trip for a stupid teenage Canadian to take.

kind of amazing that we can say these things now.....everything so different

may even do a movie

all good man if you do not believe me ......thought the story would be interesting..never been on this site before ..probably will not again...do not like being called a liar...





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Ok...last attempt to get something across to you...

You took a pretty bold claim there to suggest.....I CAN ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS AS I INVENTED THE STICK BACK IN 1969......


That's a direct quote (in all-caps) from your initial post. So, yeah, for sure I'm calling that statement a lie.

In fact, the only other person on this forum to make such wild and unsubstantiated claims is "The Rev". I think you might be him.

By the way, your story about the police chief and all that other wild stuff....I watched "American Gangster" on HBO, too. You seem to be taking parts of "Gran Torino" and "American Gangster and reconstructing it all into a new story to tell people....and ultimately, with this underlying plan to bring back the original seed....

Ha Ha! You got me, man. I think I've been had!


You ARE The Rev! I know it.

 

[slyone]

I'm reading that book now

Hi, very interesting topic. I was wondering if you knew if there is an ebook version for this book, it sounds like an interesting read. Would I be able to source a copy in the UK ? Thank you for any insight you may have

 

[SoOLED]

We were moving some frags around and bilging tanks sections. when the old man stopped and said "what" long back story to this, I ask to many questions and he doesn't like to talk, especially about his tours in the war.

anyways I asked about the picture and story he told me about the monks: and asked if he smoked them. he said yes, and no. it was his understanding the Buddhist didn't not smoke them, they burned them like incense during mediation sessions (they had small inscriptions on them) and they hold the stick between their folded hands in prayer.

he did smoke Thai sticks of varying types and manufacture, that were dipped/rolled in "all-sorts" is about the depth of his intel. The bush weed he came across on patrol, would never dry enough, until you set them next to the small heater they used, twin pipes he didn't recall the brand/manufacturer.

by his memory: it was a racy vivid high, but he still favored the smoke coming from CA at the time, where that came from who knows.

and that was it, all I got out of him, other then tomorrow is Friday "don't forget to wear something tight or short" and that I would be washing clay Saturday...fun: I hate washing clay would it be that much trouble for Hydroton to rinse the filthy things once, I get the dusting after it dries, but if they could just get the larger problem particles out it would make me very happy.

anyways TGIF

 

[kiwipaulie]

Hi, very interesting topic. I was wondering if you knew if there is an ebook version for this book, it sounds like an interesting read. Would I be able to source a copy in the UK ? Thank you for any insight you may have

I don't know to be honest. I just got it out at the library.

 

[TubePot]

The Real Thai sticks were opiated.

I beg to differ.

 

[Dr. Who]

yes some of the finest....gold.....red.....green gold was my favorite

now my guy there growing white widow hahaha

strange world

Hmmm, you have my interest up.....I've got the lowland island Thai's - I think WORLD OF SEEDS sells one landrace version.
I've got some Vietnamese Black and something that was called "Black Thai" that I think maybe a cross with the Vietnamese and the highland Lao (Laotian) but, I can't verify that one as they're brought back by a friend traveling the highlands visiting the hmong (one of hill tribe people) and up into the NE Isan area. So not a direct procurement...

I do remember some of those big "cobb's" in the very early 70's (can't remember what year - like 70-71 maybe) I remember the groups of 20 (brother got that shit), so I know your legit! I'll bet the bulk of those "remembering" it here are remembering the little finger diameter "Thai stick" of later in the 70's. They ran like a 1/4 zip maybe...

I gotta ask this though....Later in the 70's, say about 76. I saw once - another "set" of the big "cobb" style Thai sticks......You have any skinny on that? I found it very interesting at the time and jumped on 5 that the guy would let me get. The thing being, it had that same earlier taste and fucking fab-U-lous buzz! Didja attempt a restart or did a local do some runs and found shipping support through the pathet?

Just wondering, you peaked my interest on an old topic.....I wish I could get some more Lao strains.

 

[BarnBuster]

as an FYI, technically,any part of papaver s. except the seeds is illegal 21USC802. most LE would overlook the plant in a garden setting but scored pods are a dead giveaway.

like @Dr. Who said, what i remem from back then was the little finger dia size in a plastic tube, not opiated,but had the chocolatey taste

 

[Dr. Who]

ALL weed in those days was comparatively poor quality -in that it wasn't trimmed well -leaves, stems, seeds abounded.

I can't tell you HOW Thai sticks came to be...can't even tell you if they were the result of a demand for "poppy-based" products of that day or not...All I know, for SURE, is that real Thai sticks were opiated. And this is born out through the stories of Vietnam era veterans and others connected to the SE Asian campaign. As I understand it, there was a LOT of drug-manufacturing going on all over SE Asia in those days...and transport planes connected to the armed services (and in the case of my friend...the Peace Corps) was how the stuff made it over here.

Thai sticks were differentiated from loose weed -by the fact they were wrapped around sticks and dipped in first water and hung to dry/cure. That's why they were wrapped around sticks. Why would there be a need to process regular weed that way? Ask yourself that. That's how people identified/differentiated them. They were a remnant of the opium making process and they became another commodity to sell as a result of it. It was a very very smart idea because it increased the price brought in by the weed...and was also a way to utilize the otherwise unused first water which would get thrown out. The result was a smoke that would put you into another world of blissful relaxation like you've never imagined! THIS, I know for sure! The first time I smoke a hit of Thai stick, I was 15 years old and was sitting in a chair in my brother's house listening to The Grateful Dead. One hit and I literally sunk into the chair and was engulfed in it like a warm glove....nothing but bliss...and nothing like any weed high could ever produce. The high was so profoundly different and so much stronger...that's why real Thai sticks are legendary. Trust me. I'm not trying to sell anyone anything.

You have a point but, After giving my oldest bro a quick call on this. He says that yeah there was plenty of the dip sticks or "Thai sticks" around and that guys and local girls would buy them and roll joints they called "OJ's" and he said they would roll them and dip them again and dry the prerolled, and sell them "fucking everywhere" ......He said I should know better about the highland Thai "cobb's" as I (he) got a cpl a bundles back to our middle brother.....He also said the the OJ type stick's were done with lowland Thai strains. He said that this stuff was the "Thai stick" of the mid 70's (like starting around 74) that most people know as Thai stick BUT, with no opium dip!

He also brought up the fact that so much Vietnamese was coming back in pre rolled cigarette's in duffles. That in some cities you could buy actual "packs" of pre rolled smokes that was high end Vietnamese...He said that the bulk of them he remembered, were all in a Vietnamese cigarette pack called Park Avenue. He said guys brought these home by filling their duffels with cartons and cartons of these.....Said they went for $20 a pack in big city area's.

SO THERE is the TS connection to the US in the mid 70's that most recall! The point is that you are both right....

So having seen these "early" and "larger" one's my self.....I think this guy is legit! (Not giving him credit for being the inventor of Thai Stick but, he has some real rare old school know'ins)

So I say lighten up on this guy - you both have legit views!

 

[BarnBuster]

wisht i had some opium to smoke now. damn you guys

 

[Dr. Who]

ALL weed in those days was comparatively poor quality -in that it wasn't trimmed well -leaves, stems, seeds abounded.

This comment alone is leaning on BS!

Sure but by 72,there were already some early Hawaiian, Cali and Mex sensi that was rivaling what HT called the best weed in the world - guess what that was? Early import Thai that our "friend" describes exactly......Dude, I remember the very end of the 60's and the early 70's as having some truly magnificent weed....

Ok, so yeah, some of it had seeds and wasn't trimmed well......Yet to this day, I don't understand trimming all the sugar leafs down so far! It's a great part of the plant! Oh yeah, that's right. We have to have that old Cali look - FAH! Today everyone makes bubble and extracts it......There is nothing "wrong" with trimming so sugar leaves remain - you get more of those lovely trichs that way!

 

[SoOLED]

I beg to differ.

I beg to differ.

what our collective data is pointing too is that "thai stick" is a moniker, and can carry many variants and ingredients.

A lollipop: is still the same product/premise, regardless of its original creator, there are hundreds of: kinds, favors, and production types, all still called lollipops.

your lollipop (Thai stick) was not opiated, but that's not to say another variant wasn't.

 

[AKUMA]

Ok...last attempt to get something across to you...

You took a pretty bold claim there to suggest.....I CAN ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS AS I INVENTED THE STICK BACK IN 1969......


That's a direct quote (in all-caps) from your initial post. So, yeah, for sure I'm calling that statement a lie.

In fact, the only other person on this forum to make such wild and unsubstantiated claims is "The Rev". I think you might be him.

By the way, your story about the police chief and all that other wild stuff....I watched "American Gangster" on HBO, too. You seem to be taking parts of "Gran Torino" and "American Gangster and reconstructing it all into a new story to tell people....and ultimately, with this underlying plan to bring back the original seed....

Ha Ha! You got me, man. I think I've been had!


You ARE The Rev! I know it.

hahaha fun

all my story true

i did clarify that i just adapted the stick to a more marketable product,,i do not watch television

makes people stupid..and is mostly bullshit if you have actually had the experience they try to portray

i w

 

[AKUMA]

hahaha fun

all my story true

i did clarify that i just adapted the stick to a more marketable product,,i do not watch television

makes people stupid..and is mostly bullshit if you have actually had the experience they try to portray

i w

sorry no idea who the rev is my first time on this site

 

[AKUMA]

Hmmm, you have my interest up.....I've got the lowland island Thai's - I think WORLD OF SEEDS sells one landrace version.
I've got some Vietnamese Black and something that was called "Black Thai" that I think maybe a cross with the Vietnamese and the highland Lao (Laotian) but, I can't verify that one as they're brought back by a friend traveling the highlands visiting the hmong (one of hill tribe people) and up into the NE Isan area. So not a direct procurement...

I do remember some of those big "cobb's" in the very early 70's (can't remember what year - like 70-71 maybe) I remember the groups of 20 (brother got that shit), so I know your legit! I'll bet the bulk of those "remembering" it here are remembering the little finger diameter "Thai stick" of later in the 70's. They ran like a 1/4 zip maybe...

I gotta ask this though....Later in the 70's, say about 76. I saw once - another "set" of the big "cobb" style Thai sticks......You have any skinny on that? I found it very interesting at the time and jumped on 5 that the guy would let me get. The thing being, it had that same earlier taste and fucking fab-U-lous buzz! Didja attempt a restart or did a local do some runs and found shipping support through the pathet?

Just wondering, you peaked my interest on an old topic.....I wish I could get some more Lao strains.

h


hey thanks man..at least some people remember..was a lot of fun...
i spend my winter in Vietnam and am married to Viet lady....

i have been involved in SE asia all my life...love the people..

mine was the groups of 20 and it was only by for a couple of years as when Laos shut down it was more trouble

plus the US managed to shut down Bangkok



i can still get the old strain from Laos my farmer there has kept it...it is not so easy as they have been growing a lot of strains people bring them...and this has caused some crossings..

my farmer is in a region called the Belovan Pain in southern Laos which is kinda removed from general area to the north...old volcanic caldera at 5000ft so he still has the old strain...

there were ..that i saw two distinct strains when i got there in the 60 lowland and hiland

lowland grew huge

20 ft no kidding.. was the green// yellow colour and super cerebral.....have not seen that one for awhile...
highland which was a smaller plant and had only gold my favourite...stuff was unbelievable...still have that seed..

at the end of it all the bulk was coming thru Vietnam and it was the crap the dork talks about,,so called THAI Stick....the viets can copy anything...i was asked to sell the last load of that i saw in Canada and refused...shit weed...

as to the big sticks you saw later..some smart private person may have found some old farmers who were sill doing it and somehow snuck it out themselves..lucky if you were close enough to the source...

i will be doing something with that seed

so confusing here in Canada but i hope

once again thanks for being real







perfect for most amazing weed.

 

[AKUMA]

You have a point but, After giving my oldest bro a quick call on this. He says that yeah there was plenty of the dip sticks or "Thai sticks" around and that guys and local girls would buy them and roll joints they called "OJ's" and he said they would roll them and dip them again and dry the prerolled, and sell them "fucking everywhere" ......He said I should know better about the highland Thai "cobb's" as I (he) got a cpl a bundles back to our middle brother.....He also said the the OJ type stick's were done with lowland Thai strains. He said that this stuff was the "Thai stick" of the mid 70's (like starting around 74) that most people know as Thai stick BUT, with no opium dip!

He also brought up the fact that so much Vietnamese was coming back in pre rolled cigarette's in duffles. That in some cities you could buy actual "packs" of pre rolled smokes that was high end Vietnamese...He said that the bulk of them he remembered, were all in a Vietnamese cigarette pack called Park Avenue. He said guys brought these home by filling their duffels with cartons and cartons of these.....Said they went for $20 a pack in big city area's.

SO THERE is the TS connection to the US in the mid 70's that most recall! The point is that you are both right....

So having seen these "early" and "larger" one's my self.....I think this guy is legit! (Not giving him credit for being the inventor of Thai Stick but, he has some real rare old school know'ins)

So I say lighten up on this guy - you both have legit views!

thanks to you to bud

all you say is true...

i was there

was interesting

fun to be able to chat about it

 

[tstick]

Sure...sure...Yeah you did clarify that...but you walked into this discussion with your all-caps blazing and basically spewing a bullshit statement that you invented Thai sticks...

Corrupt police chiefs....Hmong opium traders...

And here's the thing....

"I HAVE A FARMER IN LAOS THAT HAS THE ORIGINAL SEED AND I WILL BE PRESENTING TO THE MARKET IN THE FUTURE"

I suspect this is just s precursor to you selling something that you're trying to make people believe is the strain that will bring it all back to those who missed out on it the first time around...the mysterious strain that everyone talks about but no one really knows (because most were too young back then...or not even born yet)...

In MY real experience with Thai sticks, they were dipped in opium tea. The effect from smoking them was narcotic -literally. And, thus, no kind of seed/strain of lowland/highland/Laotian/Vietnamese/etc. seed is going to impart the same kind of effect as an opiated Thai stick.

You might be able to answer some questions about Laos/Cambodia and certain aspects of the weed that you were around, but making unsubstantiated statements like you did in your initial post is stretching things a bit...I assume to make yourself appear to be larger-than-life for your upcoming business plan to bring back the seeds to market.

Apparently, watching tv doesn't have everything to do with making people stupid.

Oh.....just FYI.....The Rev is a local character on this website who appears from time-to-time and makes wild claims, too. You guys should get together sometime and write a movie script.

 

[AKUMA]

This comment alone is leaning on BS!

Sure but by 72,there were already some early Hawaiian, Cali and Mex sensi that was rivaling what HT called the best weed in the world - guess what that was? Early import Thai that our "friend" describes exactly......Dude, I remember the very end of the 60's and the early 70's as having some truly magnificent weed....

Ok, so yeah, some of it had seeds and wasn't trimmed well......Yet to this day, I don't understand trimming all the sugar leafs down so far! It's a great part of the plant! Oh yeah, that's right. We have to have that old Cali look - FAH! Today everyone makes bubble and extracts it......There is nothing "wrong" with trimming so sugar leaves remain - you get more of those lovely trichs that way!

for certain there was some excellent weed then

you just had to be going and getting it yourself or be close to the large loads that came in..first in got the good shit..

i lived part time in SO Cal then and we grew some great weed and so did many growers then..we were just learning

my first crop was thai seeds and mex from oaxaca hahah fuck chopped both down at 9 ft 3 times

but got magnificent bud...

yes overpruned weed is not the best..with the new medical stuff we are proving the entire plant..not the roots yet hahahah are all necessary for a good medicine...

 

[AKUMA]

Sure...sure...Yeah you did clarify that...but you walked into this discussion with your all-caps blazing and basically spewing a bullshit statement that you invented Thai sticks...

Corrupt police chiefs....Hmong opium traders...

And here's the thing....

"I HAVE A FARMER IN LAOS THAT HAS THE ORIGINAL SEED AND I WILL BE PRESENTING TO THE MARKET IN THE FUTURE"

I suspect this is just s precursor to you selling something that you're trying to make people believe is the strain that will bring it all back to those who missed out on it the first time around...the mysterious strain that everyone talks about but no one really knows (because most were too young back then...or not even born yet)...

In MY real experience with Thai sticks, they were dipped in opium tea. The effect from smoking them was narcotic -literally. And, thus, no kind of seed/strain of lowland/highland/Laotian/Vietnamese/etc. seed is going to impart the same kind of effect as an opiated Thai stick.

You might be able to answer some questions about Laos/Cambodia and certain aspects of the weed that you were around, but making unsubstantiated statements like you did in your initial post is stretching things a bit...I assume to make yourself appear to be larger-than-life for your upcoming business plan to bring back the seeds to market.

Apparently, watching tv doesn't have everything to do with making people stupid.

Oh.....just FYI.....The Rev is a local character on this website who appears from time-to-time and makes wild claims, too. You guys should get together sometime and write a movie script.

wheeee fun

my farmer in Laos is waiting patiently to be able to grow for export to Canada...which i would love to do..as then i can lower price across the board ...my government may allow this in the not to distant future...i do not need to puff myself up i know who i am as do my associates..
no plan to sell seeds.....
but i hope to sell weed for about 2 dollars a gram....the world is changing...

i honestly cannot speak for the degradation of sticks ..but as i explained when laos shut down the good stuff stopped..thais are more opportunistic and would do whatever the market wanted ..i guess you guys wanted opium..shitty thing to do to

to bad you were to young to ever had the good ones ..i hope to bring them back again..
my friends in US... Oregon.....are ready too....

 

[AKUMA]

h

Sure...sure...Yeah you did clarify that...but you walked into this discussion with your all-caps blazing and basically spewing a bullshit statement that you invented Thai sticks...

Corrupt police chiefs....Hmong opium traders...

And here's the thing....

"I HAVE A FARMER IN LAOS THAT HAS THE ORIGINAL SEED AND I WILL BE PRESENTING TO THE MARKET IN THE FUTURE"

I suspect this is just s precursor to you selling something that you're trying to make people believe is the strain that will bring it all back to those who missed out on it the first time around...the mysterious strain that everyone talks about but no one really knows (because most were too young back then...or not even born yet)...

In MY real experience with Thai sticks, they were dipped in opium tea. The effect from smoking them was narcotic -literally. And, thus, no kind of seed/strain of lowland/highland/Laotian/Vietnamese/etc. seed is going to impart the same kind of effect as an opiated Thai stick.

You might be able to answer some questions about Laos/Cambodia and certain aspects of the weed that you were around, but making unsubstantiated statements like you did in your initial post is stretching things a bit...I assume to make yourself appear to be larger-than-life for your upcoming business plan to bring back the seeds to market.

Apparently, watching tv doesn't have everything to do with making people stupid.

Oh.....just FYI.....The Rev is a local character on this website who appears from time-to-time and makes wild claims, too. You guys should get together sometime and write a movie script.

not fair

they were not corrupt

it was what they normally did

the US forces were the corrupt ones

oh also the lotion Army general..

but they all got to run when that KHEMER came

not my friends

all dead

 

[tstick]

I don't see smoking opiated Thai weed as "shitty". It was an experience like any other. If you didn't smoke an opiated Thai stick then how can you make comments about them? I don't understand that. You aren't an expert on anything you have no experience with. Don't like opium? Okay. That's fine....

...But you should realize that many, many people know Thai sticks the way I do -opiated. You obviously don't. So we're not even talking about the same thing, then, are we? You're trying to convince me that my apple is "shitty" because it's not your orange. -Pointless!

That is the experience I (and many others) know to be real Thai sticks. I'm not condoning opium-dipped weed. I'm not trying to bring back the past...and I'm not making any plans to bring anything to market. Those days are gone. So be it.

...However...if anyone who does know Thai sticks the way I know them, were to smoke just some high-grade Laotian weed from your farmer friend, then I guarantee you they wouldn't be getting the same high that I'm talking about!