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http://www.pacificlightconcepts.com too and robins site, i forgot its name.
http://www.pacificlightconcepts.com too and robins site, i forgot its name.
Thank you gentlemen, I do not want to leave anyone out!
Supra, was this for a 5 x 5 space?@64%
(8 ) CXB3590 3500K CD @ 700mA (23W ea) $380
(1) HLG-185H-C700 $65
184 dissipation W ->66W heat ->
passive cooled heatsink 7920cm² -> 4.23"X44" $68 (could split these into 2 or 4 units)
or
active cooled heatsink 2640cm² -> 3.5"X36" heatsink (for spread) $45 + 80mm fan + psu $10
active cooled heatsink 2640cm² -> 1.8"X44" heatsink $34 + 80mm fan + psu $10
(8 ) lenses $32
117.8 PAR W covering 6ft² = 879 PPFD
117.8 PAR w covering 7ft² = 754 PPFD
$545 = $4.63/PAR W passive cooled (great option if your area is high electrical cost, Hawaii, NYC, SoCal etc or if your grow is already heat limited and you want to increase yield without running more AC, ducting and fans)
$532 = $4.52/PAR W active cooled 3.5"
$521 = $4.43/PAR W active cooled 1.8"
How do you separate the worms from the castings? and do you do anything to the castings to be sure not to get worms or worm eggs into your grow soil?The worms seem to like inhabit the bottoms of the bins so most of their castings accumulate on the bottom, easy to harvest. This lump is from the bottom of a decently mature bin. Neutral smelling, damp but not soaked, soft to the touch and has a higher PPM level than my most fertile soil mix. Brews very good microbial teas. Black gold can't get enough of this stuff LOL
Here are some units you could scale up to fit your space. To some extent, you can adjust the coverage by adjusting the distance to canopy.
@45.7%
(2) CXB3590 3500K CD 36V @ 2.5A (91.65W ea) $95
(2) HLN-80H-36A $90
183 dissipation W -> 99.37W heat
(2) Arctic 64 Plus CPU coolers $26
(2) lenses $8
83.63 PAR W covering 5 ft² = 749 PPFD
$219 = 2.62/PAR W
@49.7%
(2) CXB3590 3500K CD 72V @ 1.05A (75.5W ea) $95
(1) HLG-185H-C1400 (running at ~1050mA) $65
151 dissipation W -> 76W heat ->
passive cooled heatsink 9120cm² -> (2) 10"X10" heatsink $75
or
active cooled heatsink 3040 cm² min -> 3.5" X 30" heatsink (for spread) $40 + 80mm fan+psu $10
or
(2) Arctic 64 Plus CPU coolers $26
(2) lenses $8
75 PAR W covering 4ft² = 840 PPFD
75 PAR W covering 5ft² = 672 PPFD
$243 = $3.24/PAR W passive cooled
$218 = $2.91/PAR W active cooled on bar heatsink
$194 = $2.59/PAR W active cooled on CPU coolers (uniform spread, best value?)
@ 56.3%
(4) CXB3590 3500K CD 36V @ 1.4A (49W ea) $190
(1) HLG-185H-C1400 $65
196 dissipation W -> 85.7W heat ->
passive cooled heatsink 10284cm² -> 5.88" X 38" heatsink $72 (could split in 2 to improve uniformity/spread)
or
active cooled heatsink 3428cm² min -> 3.5"X36" heatsink (for spread) $45 +80mm fan +psu $10
(4) lenses $16
110.3 PAR W covering 6ft² = 824 PPFD
$311 = $3.07/PAR W passive cooled (great value point IMO, very efficient use of driver)
$326 = 2.96/PAR W active cooled
@61.2%
(5) CXB3590 3500K CD 36V @ 1.05A (35.5W ea) $237.50
(1) HLG-185H-C1050 $65
177.5 dissipation W -> 68.9W heat ->
passive cooled heatsink 8268cm² -> 4.9"X36" $70
or
active cooled heatsink 2756cm² -> 3.5"X36" heatsink (for spread) $45 + 80mm fan + psu $10
(5) lenses $20
108.63 PAR W covering 6ft² =
$392.50 = $3.61/PAR W passive cooled
$377.50 = $3.48/PAR W active cooled
@64%
(8 ) CXB3590 3500K CD @ 700mA (23W ea) $380
(1) HLG-185H-C700 $65
184 dissipation W ->66W heat ->
passive cooled heatsink 7920cm² -> 4.23"X44" $68 (could split these into 2 or 4 units)
or
active cooled heatsink 2640cm² -> 3.5"X36" heatsink (for spread) $45 + 80mm fan + psu $10
active cooled heatsink 2640cm² -> 1.8"X44" heatsink $34 + 80mm fan + psu $10
(8 ) lenses $32
117.8 PAR W covering 6ft² = 879 PPFD
117.8 PAR w covering 7ft² = 754 PPFD
$545 = $4.63/PAR W passive cooled (great option if your area is high electrical cost, Hawaii, NYC, SoCal etc or if your grow is already heat limited and you want to increase yield without running more AC, ducting and fans)
$532 = $4.52/PAR W active cooled 3.5"
$521 = $4.43/PAR W active cooled 1.8"
So in summary, the higher the efficiency goes, the more appealing passive cooling is. Less wires, less moving parts, less points of failure for about the same cost.
Here are some units you could scale up to fit your space. To some extent, you can adjust the coverage by adjusting the distance to canopy.
@45.7%
(2) CXB3590 3500K CD 36V @ 2.5A (91.65W ea) $95
(2) HLN-80H-36A $90
183 dissipation W -> 99.37W heat
(2) Arctic 64 Plus CPU coolers $26
(2) lenses $8
83.63 PAR W covering 5 ft² = 749 PPFD
$219 = 2.62/PAR W
@49.7%
(2) CXB3590 3500K CD 72V @ 1.05A (75.5W ea) $95
(1) HLG-185H-C1400 (running at ~1050mA) $65
151 dissipation W -> 76W heat ->
passive cooled heatsink 9120cm² -> (2) 10"X10" heatsink $75
or
active cooled heatsink 3040 cm² min -> 3.5" X 30" heatsink (for spread) $40 + 80mm fan+psu $10
or
(2) Arctic 64 Plus CPU coolers $26
(2) lenses $8
75 PAR W covering 4ft² = 840 PPFD
75 PAR W covering 5ft² = 672 PPFD
$243 = $3.24/PAR W passive cooled
$218 = $2.91/PAR W active cooled on bar heatsink
$194 = $2.59/PAR W active cooled on CPU coolers (uniform spread, best value?)
@ 56.3%
(4) CXB3590 3500K CD 36V @ 1.4A (49W ea) $190
(1) HLG-185H-C1400 $65
196 dissipation W -> 85.7W heat ->
passive cooled heatsink 10284cm² -> 5.88" X 38" heatsink $72 (could split in 2 to improve uniformity/spread)
or
active cooled heatsink 3428cm² min -> 3.5"X36" heatsink (for spread) $45 +80mm fan +psu $10
(4) lenses $16
110.3 PAR W covering 6ft² = 824 PPFD
$311 = $3.07/PAR W passive cooled (great value point IMO, very efficient use of driver)
$326 = 2.96/PAR W active cooled
@61.2%
(5) CXB3590 3500K CD 36V @ 1.05A (35.5W ea) $237.50
(1) HLG-185H-C1050 $65
177.5 dissipation W -> 68.9W heat ->
passive cooled heatsink 8268cm² -> 4.9"X36" $70
or
active cooled heatsink 2756cm² -> 3.5"X36" heatsink (for spread) $45 + 80mm fan + psu $10
(5) lenses $20
108.63 PAR W covering 6ft² =
$392.50 = $3.61/PAR W passive cooled
$377.50 = $3.48/PAR W active cooled
@64%
(8 ) CXB3590 3500K CD @ 700mA (23W ea) $380
(1) HLG-185H-C700 $65
184 dissipation W ->66W heat ->
passive cooled heatsink 7920cm² -> 4.23"X44" $68 (could split these into 2 or 4 units)
or
active cooled heatsink 2640cm² -> 3.5"X36" heatsink (for spread) $45 + 80mm fan + psu $10
active cooled heatsink 2640cm² -> 1.8"X44" heatsink $34 + 80mm fan + psu $10
(8 ) lenses $32
117.8 PAR W covering 6ft² = 879 PPFD
117.8 PAR w covering 7ft² = 754 PPFD
$545 = $4.63/PAR W passive cooled (great option if your area is high electrical cost, Hawaii, NYC, SoCal etc or if your grow is already heat limited and you want to increase yield without running more AC, ducting and fans)
$532 = $4.52/PAR W active cooled 3.5"
$521 = $4.43/PAR W active cooled 1.8"
So in summary, the higher the efficiency goes, the more appealing passive cooling is. Less wires, less moving parts, less points of failure for about the same cost.
hey buddy ,,,,,thanks for the info ,,,,,,,,,i have a 6.8 inch x 39.3 inch 20 fin heatsink and i am putting on 10xcxb3070s 3.5k bb bin .on a hlg240 700b driver ,,,,,,,my math is not great and think i got enough heatsink for passive but not sure could you tell me if i could run this heatsink passive and what the ppfd numbers would be in a 2x5 tent .i will send you a link of my uk heatsink profile and i be most greatful for any help http://www.bal-group.com/heatsink_detail/52Here are some units you could scale up to fit your space. To some extent, you can adjust the coverage by adjusting the distance to canopy.
@45.7%
(2) CXB3590 3500K CD 36V @ 2.5A (91.65W ea) $95
(2) HLN-80H-36A $90
183 dissipation W -> 99.37W heat
(2) Arctic 64 Plus CPU coolers $26
(2) lenses $8
83.63 PAR W covering 5 ft² = 749 PPFD
$219 = 2.62/PAR W
@49.7%
(2) CXB3590 3500K CD 72V @ 1.05A (75.5W ea) $95
(1) HLG-185H-C1400 (running at ~1050mA) $65
151 dissipation W -> 76W heat ->
passive cooled heatsink 9120cm² -> (2) 10"X10" heatsink $75
or
active cooled heatsink 3040 cm² min -> 3.5" X 30" heatsink (for spread) $40 + 80mm fan+psu $10
or
(2) Arctic 64 Plus CPU coolers $26
(2) lenses $8
75 PAR W covering 4ft² = 840 PPFD
75 PAR W covering 5ft² = 672 PPFD
$243 = $3.24/PAR W passive cooled
$218 = $2.91/PAR W active cooled on bar heatsink
$194 = $2.59/PAR W active cooled on CPU coolers (uniform spread, best value?)
@ 56.3%
(4) CXB3590 3500K CD 36V @ 1.4A (49W ea) $190
(1) HLG-185H-C1400 $65
196 dissipation W -> 85.7W heat ->
passive cooled heatsink 10284cm² -> 5.88" X 38" heatsink $72 (could split in 2 to improve uniformity/spread)
or
active cooled heatsink 3428cm² min -> 3.5"X36" heatsink (for spread) $45 +80mm fan +psu $10
(4) lenses $16
110.3 PAR W covering 6ft² = 824 PPFD
$311 = $3.07/PAR W passive cooled (great value point IMO, very efficient use of driver)
$326 = 2.96/PAR W active cooled
@61.2%
(5) CXB3590 3500K CD 36V @ 1.05A (35.5W ea) $237.50
(1) HLG-185H-C1050 $65
177.5 dissipation W -> 68.9W heat ->
passive cooled heatsink 8268cm² -> 4.9"X36" $70
or
active cooled heatsink 2756cm² -> 3.5"X36" heatsink (for spread) $45 + 80mm fan + psu $10
(5) lenses $20
108.63 PAR W covering 6ft² =
$392.50 = $3.61/PAR W passive cooled
$377.50 = $3.48/PAR W active cooled
@64%
(8 ) CXB3590 3500K CD @ 700mA (23W ea) $380
(1) HLG-185H-C700 $65
184 dissipation W ->66W heat ->
passive cooled heatsink 7920cm² -> 4.23"X44" $68 (could split these into 2 or 4 units)
or
active cooled heatsink 2640cm² -> 3.5"X36" heatsink (for spread) $45 + 80mm fan + psu $10
active cooled heatsink 2640cm² -> 1.8"X44" heatsink $34 + 80mm fan + psu $10
(8 ) lenses $32
117.8 PAR W covering 6ft² = 879 PPFD
117.8 PAR w covering 7ft² = 754 PPFD
$545 = $4.63/PAR W passive cooled (great option if your area is high electrical cost, Hawaii, NYC, SoCal etc or if your grow is already heat limited and you want to increase yield without running more AC, ducting and fans)
$532 = $4.52/PAR W active cooled 3.5"
$521 = $4.43/PAR W active cooled 1.8"
So in summary, the higher the efficiency goes, the more appealing passive cooling is. Less wires, less moving parts, less points of failure for about the same cost.
400 watts in a 2x4 is t overkill. You should just use the same panels.
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Yes I'm sure. I would use at least 400 watts in a 2x4.Hello
are you sure ?
it would not make too much?
Yes I'm sure. I would use at least 400 watts in a 2x4.
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400 watts of CXB 3950 at 56% efficiency in a 8 square foot area would give you a PPFD of around 1250...Yes I'm sure. I would use at least 400 watts in a 2x4.
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Doesn't negate the fact that he will pull more with his current setup than the one you described, plus it wouldn't cost an additional couple hundred dollars. Plus it's not like the light would be wasted in that space. So the ~$5 a month difference in electricity that the 100 watts you are taking about, how long would it take to pay off the extra parts he's need to add? Even if it's just the drivers plus shipping he's looking at around $100 on top of what he's already spent? 20+ months to pay off costs to downgrade the light in your space for a slight efficiency boost on paper. The situation you described would be less light at higher efficiency, meaning at a 20-30% decrease in yield for more money and an electric bill that's around $5 cheaper.400 watts of CXB 3950 at 56% efficiency in a 8 square foot area would give you a PPDF of around 1250...
I would lean a bit more in the direction of 2 hlg 120 1050 at 61% efficiency. 8 COBs for a PPDF of around 1020 with 100 less watts...
I think 8 cobs and two drivers will cost you about the same. I have 400 watts of cobs in 10.7 square feet and I have to dim and raise my light at times. I have a PPFD of 940 and it's a bit much, equal or better then the 600 hps I had in this area before with far less heat. No offense intended, just another option...Doesn't negate the fact that he will pull more with his current setup than the one you described, plus it wouldn't cost an additional couple hundred dollars. Plus it's not like the light would be wasted in that space. So the ~$5 a month difference in electricity that the 100 watts you are taking about, how long would it take to pay off the extra parts he's need to add? Even if it's just the drivers plus shipping he's looking at around $100 on top of what he's already spent? 20+ months to pay off costs to downgrade the light in your space for a slight efficiency boost on paper. The situation you described would be less light at higher efficiency, meaning at a 20-30% decrease in yield for more money and an electric bill that's around $5 cheaper.
That doesn't make sense to me.
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No, leds are more efficient in a better spectrum. Watts are watts. A 400 watt hps would not adequately cover a 2x4 IMO. A 600 is better in that space. 2x4 and 3x3 are very close to the same surface area but in a square there are better reflective properties, so the fact that you're in a rectangle means the light is not distributed as evenly or efficiently as in a square. 400 watt hps for a 2x2-2x3, 600 watt hps for 2x4-3x3, 1000 watts for 4x4-5x5. So you can cut down from those numbers with high efficiency cobs, but for flowering I would still aim for ~50watts per square foot, which means 400 watts min in a 2x4.general purpose LED is consumed less than HPS ^^
if I let 400W cxb
it is as if I had 400wtt HPS :/
This brings to my interest to change the drivers to consume less ^^
He already has panels built...so any cost is additional.I think 8 cobs and two drivers will cost you about the same. I have 400 watts of cobs in 10.7 square feet and I have to dim and raise my light at times. I have a PPFD of 940 and it's a bit much, equal or better then the 600 hps I had in this area before with far less hear. No offense intended, just another option...
No brother, my bad. I didn't comprehend even though I read the op. It happens, I lock on to a part of something and become obtuse to key points... lolIn not attacking you personally perro if that's how I'm coming off, just pointing out a bit of the redundancy in some of the paper efficiency necessity lol.
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