My first organic live/super soil, advice and tips needed

greasemonkeymann

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The only difference i can imagine happening is the feeder roots getting to the boosted soil rihht before & during flower....
no what happens is that your roots shoot straight down, and get pruned by the extreme acidity, dissolved blood, guano, and whatnot down there.
to have the layered concept, predicated on water soluble nutrients that magically "last" till flower is just nonsense.
just think about it.
blood meal? soluble
guano? soluble
bone meal? not useable unless cycled at acidic ph
those ingredients suck.
you want a humus based mix, properly cycled with the correct type of nutrients.
dry meals in particular, concentrate on varying release times, slow, medium and fast.
 

Mojave

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Hmm well 8 weeks is probably not gonna happen, so I'll look into the alfalfa teas!

I was adding some more lava rock today and the soil deep in the one container was pretty funky smelling, I'm guessing it was getting anaerobic, reminded me of the stinky mud smell when trailing in the jeeps... I'm wondering if I should have the containers outside where they get a little sun and stay warmer? I know getting too hot will kill beneficial microbes and other things. Or should I just keep them in the garage as is?
 

Woyaboy

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Subcool doesn't know science or cannabis roots bro. It's a slight against all of us that he has a thread above us.

Your plant will send roots to the bottom of your pot within a week, and then spread outward from there. Your medium should always be the same. Not one layer of plain soil, one layer of amended soil, all you're doing is fucking up your soil biology.

http://buildasoil.com/blogs/news/12533881-whats-so-cool-about-super-soil-the-super-soil-recipe-breakdown

#fucksubcoolforever

I'm getting tired of explaining his flawed ass method.
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THANK YOU. I was just having a conversation with somebody here talking about his soil and I was saying that he may make good soil, but he DOES NOT know HOW or WHY it's good soil. He just keeps adding a little big of everything and you don't need to add half of the shit he adds to his mix. It's such overkill and sometimes redundant sometimes pointless. I tried reading up on his stuff but he clearly isn't a scientist. I don't mean to hate too harshly but it's hard to listen to his bro-science, he contradicts himself too often. In fact, a lot of these old time hippy growers have flawed, outdated info in their books. I won't ever buy a "bible" from anyone again, all the info is up on their sites anyways for free.

Edit: For instance, why is he adding Epsom salt when their is already Dolomite in there? In his newer "improved" recipe he even goes on to fucking add Oyster Shell? Fucking redundant. And just hearing him talk about how roots will access the bottom of the pot at the last stage...has nobody here seen how quickly roots travel? They go straight fucking down. Add mychorazzi to it is only FOR root growth so why is it "on the bottom during it's last stage"?? Either way, don't add this to your soil, just apply it to the root zones before transplants. And so on. Anybody thinking of doing SubCools mix I beg of you to do research into why he's adding what he's adding.

ONe last thing, why is he already adding all these amendments but we still gotta buy premium potting soil? He uses Roots Organic which already has ALLLLLLL the shit he's already adding to it. That is so fucking redundant you could achieve the EXACT same results taking roots organic and just reppotting from a One gallon to a 5 or some shit and be done with it. It makes no sense to have to buy RO and amend it further.

So yea, his recipe is redundant as fuck. He's the kind of guy that thinks putting 2 condoms on will add double the protection.
 
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Rasta Roy

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Hmm well 8 weeks is probably not gonna happen, so I'll look into the alfalfa teas!

I was adding some more lava rock today and the soil deep in the one container was pretty funky smelling, I'm guessing it was getting anaerobic, reminded me of the stinky mud smell when trailing in the jeeps... I'm wondering if I should have the containers outside where they get a little sun and stay warmer? I know getting too hot will kill beneficial microbes and other things. Or should I just keep them in the garage as is?
In all honesty I'm a little unsure what would be best for you. I reamend my soil for later use when I put it into storage but I don't necessarily do it for it to cook. I just let it sit until I need it again and it just happens to be every few months. So I always got my next rounds soil stored, and when I harvest I instantly reamend the old and throw it in storage. And I only amend with kelp meal, compost, worm castings, Crab Shell meal, and neem. I got fish bone meal in some of them but I ran out last time I did it. I actually had to deal with some fungus gnats because my stored soil was too wet. Let it dry and added some DE and now it's all good.

Im not really sure how to reverse a soil once it's gone anaerobic but I'm sure someone knows and can chime in.
 

Mojave

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Thanks Rasta! I read up on the anaerobic stuff, shouldn't be a big deal. It was only the bottom half of one of the bins, the other was fine. And i got another container to spread the soil out more so it isn't as deep and gets more oxygen to keep it aerobic. I'm going out today to get a few amendments but I know I'll need to order the neem cake and one or 2 other things. I think my soil looks good otherwise.

Maybe i should just get a bag of roots organic or buildasoil to transplant into at a month so this stuff can completely cure?
 

Rasta Roy

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Thanks Rasta! I read up on the anaerobic stuff, shouldn't be a big deal. It was only the bottom half of one of the bins, the other was fine. And i got another container to spread the soil out more so it isn't as deep and gets more oxygen to keep it aerobic. I'm going out today to get a few amendments but I know I'll need to order the neem cake and one or 2 other things. I think my soil looks good otherwise.

Maybe i should just get a bag of roots organic or buildasoil to transplant into at a month so this stuff can completely cure?
It would certainly be the safe way to go. Best to go with the safest option until you get a little more acquainted with the process. It's not complicated just time consuming.
 

Mojave

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Could i just use the extra local organic potting soil with EWC already in it for Veg? Or do the roots/BuildASoil have more in them?
 

Mojave

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Alright guys i just got my "Down to Earth" neem seed meal, kelp meal, and Alfalfa meal. The Crab meal and Oyster shell will be here in 2 days. Also got a small bag of Black Gold charcoal to toss in as well. With the 4 cubic feet of soil i have. How much of each of these should i add?

I also learned my local garden center has 1cu ft bags of Lobster compost, could i add that? And if i did would i use less of the Crab meal or just not at all?

Thanks again!
 

Rasta Roy

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Alright guys i just got my "Down to Earth" neem seed meal, kelp meal, and Alfalfa meal. The Crab meal and Oyster shell will be here in 2 days. Also got a small bag of Black Gold charcoal to toss in as well. With the 4 cubic feet of soil i have. How much of each of these should i add?

I also learned my local garden center has 1cu ft bags of Lobster compost, could i add that? And if i did would i use less of the Crab meal or just not at all?

Thanks again!
1/4 cup to 1/2 cup per cubic foot will be a fine ratio for all of em. I've never used lobster compost before (my local landscape supplier has kitchen scrap compost made from local restaurants), but I would imagine it's got some good stuff in it. Do you know if they make it nearby or how fresh it is? That would be what effected my decision to leave the crab out or diminished. If it's fresh stuff you might not need to add the extras...but if it's not then you probably should.
 

Mojave

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I agree and it's confusing for new people. I think a live soil and it's ingredients are far better and probably more rewarding
 

DonTesla

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Alright guys i just got my "Down to Earth" neem seed meal, kelp meal, and Alfalfa meal. The Crab meal and Oyster shell will be here in 2 days. Also got a small bag of Black Gold charcoal to toss in as well. With the 4 cubic feet of soil i have. How much of each of these should i add?

I also learned my local garden center has 1cu ft bags of Lobster compost, could i add that? And if i did would i use less of the Crab meal or just not at all?

Thanks again!
I'm not an expert yet, but,

I would use the lob compost in one plant and then more if it goes well, you can always topdress with it after if happy

I would also use a full cup of crab shell meal per cubic foot of soil, I'm regretting listening to the cats that said 1/2 cup per. Imo, i should have crushed at least half of it more myself (Neptunes brand, 1/4 to half inch inch pieces) and used double

I would also toss that charcoal in that compost and "charge" it for a few weeks before considering tossing it in to my soil, to be safe

Oyster shell you can run at up to 10% of mix like Biochar but takes up to a few years to really start breakimg down if not ground up into powder slash flour, they are bones essentially
-you could actually toss all these shells under a compost pile and mix so they will break down faster as chucks

Kelp meal you can run wayyy higher than a half cup per cubic foot with amazing results on flavour... Trust me I just did a crazy experiment over the last 5 months
(Up to 2 or 3% of total volume is what the main Canadian manufacturer up here suggests)

Remember
With about 100 cups in a cubic foot of soil, if you use only a half cup, you are only using a half percent of total volume, even less .. I know using 3% TotVol means using 6x the amount, but somewhere in the middle is thee sweet spot, with unlocked pungency and aromas being your reward

No disrespect to my boy RastaRoy here, as hes one of my favs on riu actually, i just think you could get better results if you push the envelope in the right places, not that the "use the same amount of everything and it will grow fantastic herb" approach doesn't work, as it does.. But flavour and yield can start to soar if experimenting right I think

Also, maybe consider leaving alfafa out, and just make alfafa compost.. Imo, this would allow you to use your soil within hours or days vs weeks or months
I germinate directly in my soil very soon after mixing and test cuttings (humid is key) if afraid its hot. 9/10 times it was gtg within 10 days to my surprise

Other keys to this next to no cook style are using no blood meals, bone meals (minus a bit of fish if you like) and adding your aeration after, especially if using inferior aeration like verm or perlite, which are less than ideal due to possibility of aluminum leeching when acidic or hot (vs lava rock / rotted wood chunks / leaf mould / rice hulls)

If you do have time tho, use it wisely my friend. And grow a white beard on that soil
 

Mojave

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Tesla the Lobster compost i just picked up is Coast of Maine which I've seen is a great brand, also picked up a bag of mushroom comosooas it was only $6 or$7. I'll hold off on the Alfalfa if it's gonna hold the whole process up substantially longer. What if anything should i add in place of that?
 

DonTesla

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Tesla the Lobster compost i just picked up is Coast of Maine which I've seen is a great brand, also picked up a bag of mushroom comosooas it was only $6 or$7. I'll hold off on the Alfalfa if it's gonna hold the whole process up substantially longer. What if anything should i add in place of that?
I'd Still start that alfafa but direct in soil is the least favourable way imo.
I like to mellow via compost first then use vs even using tea


Your own fresh worm castings, double-chewed and buffered with crushed shells, Is not to be underestimated
in the Dons' opinion just 15% of total vol best place start

& imo, More kelp
all the way

Neem too in my own opinion

The neem tree is very powerful and resilient, with an amazing history on it and when I upped it by 50% I had insane results both health wise and taste wise too altho I did that when I upped my kelp a lot too.

That lobster compost should be awesome I would probably mix it in but to be safe you can partition in

Do you have a ball python btw, Mojave ?
 
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