More Trichome and bud pics. Opinions plz.

hyroot

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flushing removes salts from the soil and root zone that is all. if you want smooth smoke even off a stale rip. Then switch to organics. no till, knf, probiotics, living soil etc... If you want pungent stinky ( high terpene profile) flowers then increase your brix levels with minerals and sugars. ie rock dusts, ferments, seed sprout tea's.
 

Hessam

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Did you ever think flushing didn't have to do with your smooth smoke but rather the fact that you cured it before hand?
Did you ever think that I might have tested both ways? :roll:

Dude I have done at least 6 years of biological and ethnobotanical studies on plants and I know what I'm talking about.
yes plants get rained on but the rain doesn't flush their whole root system of the nutrients they require
What do you mean by nature?! Your backyard? Then no! Maybe rain doesn't flush your plants. But in real nature? Yea! It does flush! That's the whole process! Micro organisms process food for plants and soil becomes hot, then rain flushes the soil out and makes way for micro organisms to process new food. That's why in warm and dry days of the summer, you see the tips of the leaves of trees start to burn. Because EC rises up and burns plants.
it really is doing little more depriving your plant of what it needs during the last legs of it's life.
That is the most hilarious thing I've ever heard! Can you explan to me what your plants need in the last week of flowering that they don't have already available in their tissues?! You can even remove all the leaves from plant in the last week.
 

Cyrus420

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Did you ever think that I might have tested both ways? :roll:

Dude I have done at least 6 years of biological and ethnobotanical studies on plants and I know what I'm talking about.


What do you mean by nature?! Your backyard? Then no! Maybe rain doesn't flush your plants. But in real nature? Yea! It does flush! That's the whole process! Micro organisms process food for plants and soil becomes hot, then rain flushes the soil out and makes way for micro organisms to process new food. That's why in warm and dry days of the summer, you see the tips of the leaves of trees start to burn. Because EC rises up and burns plants.


That is the most hilarious thing I've ever heard! Can you explan to me what your plants need in the last week of flowering that they don't have already available in their tissues?! You can even remove all the leaves from plant in the last week.
yes I had assumed you tested both ways I also assume you're bias like most people are towards their own product.

How is my backyard not real nature? I live in a fucking swamp surrounded by trees. Even if a soil becomes hot my point is rain isn't completely devoiding the soil of nutrients so it's not a flush like what we're talking about.

It's impressive you have six years of research under you belt, I hope to get there myself but an appeal from authority means little. You can still be wrong and you haven't provided me with anything to suggest you're right. You're the one claiming a flush does help can you show me the scientific proof it does?

Ok, so if it is hilarious that it doesn't need anything the last week of it's life then why flush it? If the plant can't react to anything in the week then what is flushing doing? Besides that a good question is do we flush any other plants? I doubt large farmers who are making the vegetables and fruit we eat are flushing their fields for better more sweet harvests.

Unless you can provide actual proof that flushing does something it's safe to consider a myth. Basically all we have to go on are users like you saying that flushing works without anyone ever showing me it does, just personal anecdotes on how your weed tastes smooth.
 

RM3

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Unless you can provide actual proof that flushing does something it's safe to consider a myth. Basically all we have to go on are users like you saying that flushing works without anyone ever showing me it does, just personal anecdotes on how your weed tastes smooth.
Damn, I don't flush and every one comments on how smooth my weed is?
 

RM3

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"Yea, I totally wrote some stuff man but like I can't show you top secret and stuff."
If he is in an illegal state and it identifies him then this makes complete sense, it could also indicate that the test are on other plants besides MJ?
 

Cyrus420

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If he is in an illegal state and it identifies him then this makes complete sense, it could also indicate that the test are on other plants besides MJ?
Good point. Didn't think he would be writing scientific journals on an illegal subject though, can people do that?

Second point makes sense too. Either way it's an appeal from authority which doesn't make the topic at hand right or wrong. I'm not going to trust something someone says just because they claim it works I want verifiable results!
 

bgmike8

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Hey! Let's focus on me and my problems. Lol

I invited @Hessam here to this thread to help me out. Let's not attack him.

Everyone's opinion is appreciated.

For me it seems that all flushing reports are ancedotal. That can be very biased info. Perhaps when I get some more grows under my belt I will have some ancedotal reports of my own.

As of now I can't find any hard science to it. They don't flush any other plant . I'm don't think nutes get stored in the buds anyway and if they do I'm not sure that you could flush them.

Now I may be wrong. And I'd be happy to admit that. And maybe it will turn out that a study will be done that proves there bis something to it.. who knows.

All I know is that there are plenty of people who don't flush that report that the cure makes their shit smooth. I have to cure anyway So i don't see a need to flush. I'm also pretty sure that there is no difference in nutes whether chemical or organic once the plant takes it in.

I am new and I have very little experience or credibility but I just can't find anything that proves it.
 

Cyrus420

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Hey! Let's focus on me and my problems. Lol

I invited @Hessam here to this thread to help me out. Let's not attack him.

Everyone's opinion is appreciated.

For me it seems that all flushing reports are ancedotal. That can be very biased info. Perhaps when I get some more grows under my belt I will have some ancedotal reports of my own.

As of now I can't find any hard science to it. They don't flush any other plant . I'm don't think nutes get stored in the buds anyway and if they do I'm not sure that you could flush them.

Now I may be wrong. And I'd be happy to admit that. And maybe it will turn out that a study will be done that proves there bis something to it.. who knows.

All I know is that there are plenty of people who don't flush that report that the cure makes their shit smooth. I have to cure anyway So i don't see a need to flush. I'm also pretty sure that there is no difference in nutes whether chemical or organic once the plant takes it in.

I am new and I have very little experience or credibility but I just can't find anything that proves it.
In any real world application if you can't find evidence to prove a hypothesis you can generally operate under the assumption the idea is false.
 

bgmike8

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Read the first two.

This has to do with build up in the roots. Nothing to do with getting nutes out of the plant.

In fact if flushing is real then having salt build up would help you flush the plant right?
 

Dumme

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Read the first two.

This has to do with build up in the roots. Nothing to do with getting nutes out of the plant.

In fact if flushing is real then having salt build up would help you flush the plant right?
The term "Flushing" is being thrown around and all the new guys are frantically trying to learn. The problem is, you probably watched a noob on video, wrongfully trying to teach that flushing is a tool used to get a chemical-free tasting bud with smooth smoke. Here's the real deal, and it's funny because I literally just when over this in another thread ...

"Flushing" or "to Flush", as defined by google is:
cleanse by causing large quantities of water to pass through it. "to flush the toilet"

It's the cleansing of "soil" because of salt buildup or ridding of nutrients within, by passing clean water threw it.

Flushing can infact be a very helpful tool if you use the term and definition properly.

Let start by saying that DWC can NOT be flushed, as you just dump the water and re-fill. You're literally just doing a water change. When the term is used in growing Cannabis, it's for cleansing Soil, and in some cases, media, and that's all.

Noobies are constantly confused as to "Flush" by cleansing soil, and to "withhold nutrients" at the end of Flower, to break the Chlorophyll's cycle, and speed up curing.

But let's back up a bit...

Chlorophyll is, in fact, the number one reason of harsh smoke or chemical taste. If it hurts to smoke it, it's probably not dried or cured wrong.
**Chlorophyll naturally breaks down without you doing anything to it***, as the nutrient uptake slows (also naturally), after it's lifecycle comes to a complete end. This is witnessed in nature all the time on all manner of flowers and trees turning colours. (note that chlorophyll looks green)
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Now, the act of Flushing, for better tasting bud, is a complete waste of time, and aforementioned above, is infact, the misuse of the term; but let me explain...

Simply put, N,P,K,Ca,Mg,S,B,Mn,Zn,Mb,Fe,Cl, and Cu, have absolutely nothing to do with smoke quality, and in the plant at all times. Hell, they're in your mouth right now, as you read. Do you taste them? These elements build the plant as they're on the Periodic Table. What you taste is the compounds that they make, specifically Chlorophyll.

The best explanation of why some people forcefully withhold nutrients is to break the internal chemical chain of events within the chloroplasts, hence slowing or stopping the chlorophyll from being produced. Yes, this does happen, and Yes, your smoke may be smoother. But know this.... its not because youre starving your plants.

Again, Chlorophyll breaks down naturally. So why do people still withhold nutrients and starving their plants, you ask; Speed, and that's all. Starving the plant speeds up the process that breaks the chain in the chloroplasts, and effectively starts curing the buds faster. **But, theres downsides. Withholding nutrients the last week's before harvest, you're likely going to limit the full potential growth of your plant.

...Just one more time...Withholding nutrients is not the reason for better tastin and smoother smoke, the broken down chlorophyll, or lack there of, is. 'AND' Chlorophyll breaks down naturally anyways with proper drying and curing. If you'd like more info on this, please refer to wiki on why tobacco farmers cure their plants, here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curing_of_tobacco

Why anyone would want to hinder growth and yield for a week or two of time curing is beyond me. Why not just cut early, right? Why not quick dry, right? Heres an idea, if youre gonna spend all that time and money to grow, why not do it right, grow it right, feed it right, dry it right, cure it right, and not take shortcuts. Again, just an idea.


PS, anyone with a curious mind interested in learning more about the chloroplast within cannabis, here's a short clip on it. Expand your mind...., cheers.

 
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Hessam

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These buds are on flush for 2 weeks (9 weeks into flowering). I don't know what they're missing, cause they are getting better and better every day. :bigjoint: I think you can get that pure smell only after flushing.

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Another thing, we did a study a couple of years back about the nutrient uptake of different plants, including cannabis. Cannabis plants always need the highest EC in third week of flowering and after the forth week of flowering they need very little amount of nutrients and burn so much easier. That's exactly when some idiots put their boosters in their mediums and that causes a nutrient lock out which leads to stunted bud development. After the seventh week of flowering, your plants barely need any feeding and have the tendency to use their sugar bracts. So you don't really flush the nutrients out of the plants. You just stop feeding them.
 

Dumme

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These buds are on flush for 2 weeks (9 weeks into flowering). I don't know what they're missing, cause they are getting better and better every day. :bigjoint: I think you can get that pure smell only after flushing.

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Another thing, we did a study a couple of years back about the nutrient uptake of different plants, including cannabis. Cannabis plants always need the highest EC in third week of flowering and after the forth week of flowering they need very little amount of nutrients and burn so much easier. That's exactly when some idiots put their boosters in their mediums and that causes a nutrient lock out which leads to stunted bud development. After the seventh week of flowering, your plants barely need any feeding and have the tendency to use their sugar bracts. So you don't really flush the nutrients out of the plants. You just stop feeding them.
To each his own...


Uptake is controlled by the metabolic rate, and the "total" nutrients within the plant are irrelevant unless you plan on smoking the stalk and leaves. Plants transport sugars using the "pressure flow hypothesis". With that said, the buds only take what they need, and the rest of the sugars (i.e. folded nutrients) remain in the phloem until they find the lowest presser point, to take them.

The point was, regardless if you feed them or not, flushing doesn't matter. Chlorophyll is the culprit with taste and smooth smoke, and will break down on its own, if dried and cured properly.
 
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9leaves

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@Dumme
Thank you for that great video. I'll never starve a plant again. Kind of like starving a human after a certain age. I think we all can agree that isn't good. Feed Feed. Get more out of her.
 
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