So I asked my wife to take some pics so that you can tell how big these things are. Im 6-2 just to give you some idea. I did some things different but starting them early was a big thing. I hope to find a mentor to show my the ropes of going organic but I'm scared to make the switch. Everyone has some sort of idea of how to grow these plants but only a small% are truly successful. If I learned anything from brown dirt warriors movie is was that you should seek advice from someone who has 30 years under their belt. I did and added some small twists of my own. Now Im in search of the proper organic tutor. Anyhow happy growing