b4ds33d
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it may not have stopped growing, but you are doing the flush to coincide with the trichomes maturing. i've never been a flusher as i've always used organic shit and never really saw the need to flush.
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Dr. Who
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"Flushing" doesn't work! @backtracker
Let me post this again here.
I got asked about this in a PM by a member after seeing the disaster another thread became. He asked where to find books and papers on "flushing" and said he might try the "fade".
Here's my answer to him......I felt it needs to be seen,,,,,,again!
Your looking for post grad work. You would do better to search papers......The thing is, NOTHING in agriculture gets 'flushed" and that leads to little to no research in the area. You see, the thing is, the whole "idea" of "flushing is nonsense! Plants don't work that way! They do not take up nutrients or salts as most of you think of them! They do not "store" them in the sense you think of them! Not only that, but the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers! NO amount of "flushing" will "exchange" plant "stored" nutrition back "out" of the plant! Scientifically impossible by the way most of you guys understand......Ok, that's my word on "flushing". (No one listens to this in threads if they don't want to hear it or accept it.)
Now then, you propose the "FADE TO FINISH" method. Great idea in theory but, and this IS a BIG BUT! Remember when I said above that "the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers!" ? This shoots that theory in the ass right away. You see the main amount of stored nutrition is in either the roots and the rest in leaves and some in small amounts in transit in the phloam (the sap that actually moves the nutrients around the plant)......
Now when you "starve a plant" it will draw from it's self by actually breaking down the needed parts of it's self to do an "emergency" attempt to reproduce! (This can happen in certain plants even in veg! A kind of last ditch effort to continue the species.)
With that in mind you take the fact that the plant is not "moving" nutrients "out" of buds, but into them to speed growth and as fast as it can - "reproduce". This single minded process the plant now puts it's self on causes the plant to stress it's self. This self induced stress can, in many cases if done long enough, lead the plant to go bisexual, and produce "banana's" in a last ditch effort to reproduce and "carry on the line" and produce seeds...
Basically put, In reality you are moving nutrients that you're "attempting" to get rid of,,right to where your trying to remove them from! You are also stressing the plant in the way for "Herming" to actually happen easier!
I and many others that have tried to convey this actual plant science, are called everything you can think of and those 'impossible of understanding these facts", fight so hard against us that many of us have simply chosen to avoid the issue or don't fight to hard.
Anyway, there you are in as short and sweet and as simple/understandable as I can...
The thing is you have to understand Botany and Horticulture (and there are LOTS of subsections to those that are involved here) to truly put together the pieces of the puzzle to get your head wrapped around the idea that flushing and the "fade" don't work for what they are intended or alleged to actually do!
There you go Mods, nice, polite and to the point. (Sorry about the other thread Sunni)
There you go, Now have at it!
CriticalCheeze
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I stated this in an earlier post. flushing can hurt yields. and all the trolls think im an idiot. some of these people truly make me laugh
CriticalCheeze
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b4ds33d
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just like anything else in life, everyone has different opinions on the subject, and everyone thinks they are right. nice touch claiming those that don't agree with you are somehow mentally deficient for not believing you. nutrient do in fact move throughout plants in ways you say they don't. plants do store nutrients, maybe not in the way carrots/peanuts/potatoes do, but it does happen. are a lot of the flushing methods and possibly the overall concept as we know it of flushing bro-science? absolutely. but there is some credence to it. feel free to flame me for disagreeing.
backtracker
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You are assuming the rest of us don't know when the plant is almost finished. The reason to "flush" is to let the plant use up stored nutrients and it's all about timing. Pot that has been "flushed" will burn clean leaving a white/light grey ash and taste clean pot that has been fertilized right up to harvest will be black/dark grey a taste like shit. You may have been growing for decades but you ain't learned it all yet.
backtracker
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We can't help it that you are really really stupid and are here trying to spread that stupid but this crowd is pot savvy so you should go find some folks dumb as you to pedal your bullshit to.
backtracker
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Then you think he is that stupid?
backtracker
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He wrote under the name George Van Patten before it was OK to write about pot and he was the only one for quit awhile. I learned a lot from him.
CriticalCheeze
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Ok bud. Go read your book. Think what you want. Lol, you're more stupid than you think you are, if you believe half the shit you read in that book. Pot savy lol? More like eager to believe everything you hear about "pot" Go flush your toilet, your plants might thank you later... lol.. joke.. It is called Cannabis btw. Even your precious Cervantes knows that.
since1991
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That whole ash thing ive found to be poor drying and curing methods. Has nothing to do with "stored nutrients ". Grey ash...black ash...thats moisture content in the bud your smoking. And how much you removed (or did not) is all in proper drying and curing. Ive flushed the hell out of plants on all kinds of timed schedules back in the day....still got black ash. And vice versa. I will admit i taper down the EC strength of nutrient solution the last few days....but thats for reusing my coco coir. In a blind taste test (or ash test - puhlease) with a grower that knows what the hell they are doing....you will not be able to tell flushed and un flushed bud. Thats a fact. If they dried and cured the bud correctly....its placebo. Again i say....flushing is utter bullshit.
You are assuming the rest of us don't know when the plant is almost finished. The reason to "flush" is to let the plant use up stored nutrients and it's all about timing. Pot that has been "flushed" will burn clean leaving a white/light grey ash and taste clean pot that has been fertilized right up to harvest will be black/dark grey a taste like shit. You may have been growing for decades but you ain't learned it all yet.
since1991
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And if your one of them "blast em with nutes" growers (there are quite a few) that believe more is better (its not) than your going to have crappy.plants no matter what you do. One thing ive noticex throughout the years....85% of indoor cannabis growers give thier plants WAY too many nutrients.
CriticalCheeze
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Imagine that.....
Dr. Who
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I'm not sure to whom you refer.
But I'll say this about the colored part of your quote....
What part of my post didn't you understand? Not in the way you think and I didn't say they didn't! That applies to all of the rest of that too!
backtracker
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You got nothing go away.
Dr. Who
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Met him, dinned with him, drank with him and smoked with him. Nice guy but, full of old school myth!
Just because you write a book, doesn't make you the person with all the correct answers! It makes you an author!
He's WRONG on other things too!
Your kneeling down and kissing the ass of the unworthy !!! He's NOT a grow god! Neither is Greg green, The "REV", Sub "Cool", Danny "Danko", ANY fucking U-TUBE tool posting video, even good ole Ed Rosenthal makes a few statements that are incorrect...
YOU have to sort out the wheat from the chaff !
Now then. Everything I stated in my post about the science on the flush and fade is REAL science! Not some musings from a half "baked" hippie from the 60's and 70's, filled with the myths and legends from the past....
Open your mind and "see" the truth!
backtracker
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Been at this for a really long time tried it all and that's bullshit, the reason they store nutrients is survival, their only purpose in nature is to make seeds and when they run out of food they use what they have stored and that is why you starve "flush" them so you don't smoke fertilizer. You can't change that it's the way nature works but hey if you like smoking nitrogen and chlorophyll knock yer self out.
b4ds33d
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i understood your post. what part of my post didn't you understand?
since1991
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When your smoking marijuana you are not smoking the fertilizer it took to grow it. Period. Bottom line. ..end of story. It doesnt work like that.