Larry OG - purple stems

ruwtz

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Onto second run with Larry OG and I got purple striping of basal stems and purple fan leaf stems all over the place.

Plants absolutely boom in flower and mostly grow out of it, but in veg I get it in every plant every time. It is a very dark red/purple all along the stem and some of the leaf veins too, with the main stem showing purple stripes all the way down.

With less than satisfactory overall leaf health and slightly slower plant growth, I know it must be a problem (I often get some patches of discoloration, crinkling and occasional yellow/brown spotting).

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I've read every thread going and think I can cancel out most claims.

>>> Not temps - room is constant 76-78F, low 70's at night;

>>> Not Mg def - I use GH Flora trio + Calmag 3ml/gal every feed (although OG's can be Calmag hogs) + 1/4tsp/gal mg sulfate per week, and no other signs of Mg def such as pale between veins / only affecting older leaves / leaf tips curling up etc)

>>> Not P def - GH Flora trio is well balanced throughout the cycle;

>>> Stable pH and EC strength using RO water

>>> No other environmental stress factor;

>>> Not known to be genetic with this strain.

Setup: growing in 50/50 coco perlite, ebb and flow table fed x3 daily 1.6EC, plants 1 month old, steady RH55%, COB lighting, very healthy and robust roots. Only additives are Hydroguard + Silica Blast + weekly bennie tea.

3 other strains on this table grow fine, with the occasional purple fan leaf stem spotted.


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First run I put it down to stress but this time around they have the good life.

Obviously it is easy to jump on a deficiency here, or a def from lockout. I have tried heavier Mg feeds - up to 5ml/gal Calmag - to no measurable effect.

Perhaps Mg is too high already and locking out P?

Any ideas??
 

Olive Drab Green

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Are you sure they aren't just genetic anthrocyanin highways? That's what it appears to be.

Otherwise, it could be N def. You definitely could use some N.
 

ruwtz

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Are you sure they aren't just genetic anthrocyanin highways? That's what it appears to be.

Otherwise, it could be N def. You definitely could use some N.
From what I can find out, it doesn't seem to be a genetic trait for this strain, but I can't rule that out entirely.

Yeah, N could be a thing. TBH i'm not that impressed with GH trio for this new room and I think their NPK is screwed up for this plant we grow. I've seen others say this too.

Deciding on a switch to DynaGrow or step right into dry salts.
 

Olive Drab Green

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From what I can find out, it doesn't seem to be a genetic trait for this strain, but I can't rule that out entirely.

Yeah, N could be a thing. TBH i'm not that impressed with GH trio for this new room and I think their NPK is screwed up for this plant we grow. I've seen others say this too.

Deciding on a switch to DynaGrow or step right into dry salts.
Don't rule out the genetic thing. To me, it appears to be just anthrocyanin highways. My Lemon Garlic OG has the same thing going on. Most of my strains tend to show this, actually. But in the second pic, your plants do seem a little N hungry.
 

ruwtz

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Don't rule out the genetic thing. To me, it appears to be just anthrocyanin highways. My Lemon Garlic OG has the same thing going on. Most of my strains tend to show this, actually. But in the second pic, your plants do seem a little N hungry.
Good to hear about your OG, and it could be genetic, although I don't hear this from any other Larry growers, nor see it in pics.

Not breaking a sweat over this too much: the girls in week 5 flower are 4ft boomers so its obviously not holding them back.

Second pic is a poor exposure - first pic is definitely more accurate for leaf color.
 

Olive Drab Green

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Good to hear about your OG, and it could be genetic, although I don't hear this from any other Larry growers, nor see it in pics.

Not breaking a sweat over this too much: the girls in week 5 flower are 4ft boomers so its obviously not holding them back.

Second pic is a poor exposure - first pic is definitely more accurate for leaf color.
I wouldn't sweat it at all. If it is what it appears to me to be, it just means it's happy. They're like nutrient/sugar highways and such.
 

ruwtz

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FWIW, these Larry's also have lanky stems and pretty thin foliage during early/mid veg. My first run only started laying on the leaf mass in late veg, then really laid it on during flower stretch. Almost impossible to train, at least the way I typically do it, topping once or twice and LST'ing before scrog in bloom.

This is flower week 5, mostly having grown out of the purple thing except for a few fan leaves. Testing this run without scrog.

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Olive Drab Green

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FWIW, these Larry's also have pretty thin during early/mid veg. My first run only started laying on the leaf mass in late veg, then really laid it on during flower stretch.

This is flower week 5, mostly having grown out of the purple thing except for a few fan leaves.

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Looks super-healthy, although she's going to need at least a little bit of Mg soon.
 

Olive Drab Green

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They should be getting more than enough from Calmag and epsom.
If you start to see yellowing that doesn't effect the veins or around the veins of the leaves in the near future, just be aware that's a clear sign of Mg def. So if you think you added enough, that's good, but if you start to see that sign, add more Cal-Mag ASAP.
 

ruwtz

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If you start to see yellowing that doesn't effect the veins or around the veins of the leaves in the near future, just be aware that's a clear sign of Mg def. So if you think you added enough, that's good, but if you start to see that sign, add more Cal-Mag ASAP.
Could be, or could be locked out, or pH issues. Calmag is no magic pill and I think forum's overly promote its use as a fix-all. Also I back off with Calmag in flower to reduce Ca as it can build up in coco over time. I up epsom instead for the sulfates.
 

A.K.A. Overgrowem

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Onto second run with Larry OG and I got purple striping of basal stems and purple fan leaf stems all over the place.

Plants absolutely boom in flower and mostly grow out of it, but in veg I get it in every plant every time. It is a very dark red/purple all along the stem and some of the leaf veins too, with the main stem showing purple stripes all the way down.

With less than satisfactory overall leaf health and slightly slower plant growth, I know it must be a problem (I often get some patches of discoloration, crinkling and occasional yellow/brown spotting).

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I've read every thread going and think I can cancel out most claims.

>>> Not temps - room is constant 76-78F, low 70's at night;

>>> Not Mg def - I use GH Flora trio + Calmag 3ml/gal every feed (although OG's can be Calmag hogs) + 1/4tsp/gal mg sulfate per week, and no other signs of Mg def such as pale between veins / only affecting older leaves / leaf tips curling up etc)

>>> Not P def - GH Flora trio is well balanced throughout the cycle;

>>> Stable pH and EC strength using RO water

>>> No other environmental stress factor;

>>> Not known to be genetic with this strain.

Setup: growing in 50/50 coco perlite, ebb and flow table fed x3 daily 1.6EC, plants 1 month old, steady RH55%, COB lighting, very healthy and robust roots. Only additives are Hydroguard + Silica Blast + weekly bennie tea.

3 other strains on this table grow fine, with the occasional purple fan leaf stem spotted.


* * *

First run I put it down to stress but this time around they have the good life.

Obviously it is easy to jump on a deficiency here, or a def from lockout. I have tried heavier Mg feeds - up to 5ml/gal Calmag - to no measurable effect.

Perhaps Mg is too high already and locking out P?

Any ideas??
Purp. stems, splotchy leaves = phosphorus deficiency
 

Olive Drab Green

Well-Known Member
Could be, or could be locked out, or pH issues. Calmag is no magic pill and I think forum's overly promote its use as a fix-all. Also I back off with Calmag in flower to reduce Ca as it can build up in coco over time. I up epsom instead for the sulfates.
That isn't the case. It's not about "magic pills" bro. It's about being able to recognize the symptoms. You have to know what led to the symptom to make sure it isn't lockout. Usually "lockout" of magnesium is commonly overwatering pushing the free-flowing Mg out of the pot. But you're getting the wrong idea. No one here applies anything they don't have to.

I don't use chemical Ca/Mg, personally; I run organic.
 

apbx720

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Foliar daily w 2-4 tbs/gal of epsom salts and a silica additive at regular strength (armor si, protekt, agsil, etc) and i guarentee u will like the results. $0.02
Foliar just before lights turn on or off. then foliar once a week after the def is corrected.

U are witnessing the beginning of an Mg def. it takes a long time for Mg def to show. dont be surprised if it gets worst after a few days of treatment
 
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