What to do with 30 amp breaker

Cpappa27

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Yeah what he said...I am an electrician and one of our contractors is a fire clean-up specialist...usually our jobs are from car fires in garages or kitchen fires or whatever, but every once in awhile you get the 'extremely suspicious, obviously home wired' situations lol...

Using electrical companies can become expensive, so if you have any electrician friends, give them some pizza and some smokage and you should be in business!
I guess they are also putting an emphasis on pulling permits for indoor grow rooms. Law has always been there just now being enforced. Dont tell them its for a grow room if you dont want the permit pulled. Some guys on craigslist are pretty cool and if you pay cash with no receipt they hook you up and do it to code without pulling a permit, thats what I heard anyways. :bigjoint:
 

Giddy up

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DUDE GET A ELECTRICIAN IN THERE .... electric is no joke! you can die or burn down your house easily ....LIKE REALLY EASY... you're messing with your panel that has high voltage coming in.. I was an electrician and this is some coviluded info ppl are throwing at you here..
Did you mean 'convoluted'? Anywho...I'm a licensed residential/commercial/industrial electrician myself, and anything I've said in this thread is what I would either do at my own home or a customer's home lol...and would also be to code.
 

Giddy up

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I'm simply saying what work could be done, it's up to OP to determine if he/she is capable of doing said work or should grab a pro...which is actually what a couple of us have already recommended before you did.

And no, there is no 'high voltage' shit coming into his panel...I've not seen a lot of residential applications utilizing 600V power
 

r.i.kid

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I'm simply saying what work could be done, it's up to OP to determine if he/she is capable of doing said work or should grab a pro...which is actually what a couple of us have already recommended before you did.

And no, there is no 'high voltage' shit coming into his panel...I've not seen a lot of residential applications utilizing 600V power
ever get hit by a service line?...it's high enough to kill you...but you're gonna say you can die from 110 and all this nonsense ...I been hit, like all electricians with 110... only once from 220 and could taste the filling in my mouth ...had a lock out tag on the panel carpenter decided it's ok....BUT The term high voltage usually means electrical energy at voltages high enough to inflict harm on living organisms. Equipment and conductors that carry high voltage warrant particular safety requirements and procedures....not what you think is high voltage but you knew that..
 

Giddy up

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No it doesn't. According to the NEC high voltage is defined as being 600V or higher...plus it's not voltage that kills, it's current. Otherwise how would stun guns be rated at like 20,000V or whatever?

I stand corrected...stun guns are rated at millions of volts.
 
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Giddy up

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You being wrong is one thing, you telling the guy to go 'get a pro' and being smug about it after two other people already told him to is another thing...but when you say my info is convoluted (coviluded? Lol) and tell the OP that our info is wrong, and then follow that up w wrong information is the best part.
 

cat of curiosity

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You being wrong is one thing, you telling the guy to go 'get a pro' and being smug about it after two other people already told him to is another thing...but when you say my info is convoluted (coviluded? Lol) and tell the OP that our info is wrong, and then follow that up w wrong information is the best part.
i am an electrician, and from reading the op's posts, i would recommend outsourcing and finding a residential helper or journeyman, or an actual electrician to see it done safely. no one mentioned a multi tap ballast, and that's a thing to consider when running 10/2 or 12/2 and whether you're running 240v at half the amps or 120v at twice.

my advice is don't get killed. either watch a few hundred hours of electrical courses on youtube and draw a plan, or hire someone.

don't ask life/death electrical questions of a forum made for potheads.
 

Giddy up

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Not sure why my response was quoted there...I believe I was electrician #2 out of now 4 electricians who have all recommended a professional do the work...that being said, the reply of mine you quoted was not even directed at the OP...it was directed towards a person who called a residential feed 'high voltage'

I literally at no point told the OP to do it themselves, I simply told them what I would do to remedy the situation, it's up to them to decide whether they should tackle it or get a pro. I still think my idea of smoking up and feeding your electrician friends will be the safest and cheapest way to go lol
 

cat of curiosity

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Not sure why my response was quoted there...I believe I was electrician #2 out of now 4 electricians who have all recommended a professional do the work...that being said, the reply of mine you quoted was not even directed at the OP...it was directed towards a person who called a residential feed 'high voltage'

I literally at no point told the OP to do it themselves, I simply told them what I would do to remedy the situation, it's up to them to decide whether they should tackle it or get a pro. I still think my idea of smoking up and feeding your electrician friends will be the safest and cheapest way to go lol
your post was relevant, and i agreed with most of it so i quoted you. this isn't a bad thing buddy, i promise. you and that other guy got pissy with each other, with no true solution reached.

you and i both think op's best bet is to hire someone, and not risk electrocution. you know how it can go when joe shmoe decides to run his/her own wiring. it's either us or the fire department that fixes the problems that inevitably arise...

still, when working a double pole 30a, you need to decide what you're running. if your ballasts are multi tap magnetrons, you can run 120vac or 240vac, depending on how you wire the ballast (also 208, 277, and 400). for a single or even two ballasts 1kw, i'd run 12/2 on a single pole 20a, more than enough. a 10a (or two 15a single pole) could be used for timers, pumps, fans, etc.

but if you're asking here, and expecting potheads to give you concrete electrical advice, you've already started on the wrong foot...

cool with you though @Giddy up , just remember not to let people get to you. vindictive attitudes are not received well by offensive mentalities, and you end up with bs arguments and stuff. ;)
 

cat of curiosity

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How do you get 'hit' w 220 btw? Like did you get really unlucky and happen to hit both legs simultaneously? Do you mean you got hit w 208 or 277?
a lot of people use recep/device ratings, not knowing that it isn't 110vac and 220vac, but actually 120vac and 240vac.

i saw that too :p
 

SPLFreak808

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shit im gonna start taking pics every time i get called to fix a fried panel,meter ect.. Ive seen melted flatheads,house fires,melted hidden gfci's ect... So many things can go wrong that even an electrician himself won't attempt shit without complete speculation.

I beg you, if you have to ask then do not attempt your own electrical work. All it takes is holding the sub frame/breaker panel while slipping and hitting a bus bar, whats in between your two arms?

The pain from 120vac is little bitch shit, but it does have enough to stop your heart in unlucky situations, Aint that a bitch to die by fibulation...
 

cat of curiosity

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shit im gonna start taking pics every time i get called to fix a fried panel,meter ect.. Ive seen melted flatheads,house fires,melted hidden gfci's ect... So many things can go wrong that even an electrician himself won't attempt shit without complete speculation.

I beg you, if you have to ask then do not attempt your own electrical work. All it takes is holding the sub frame/breaker panel while slipping and hitting a bus bar, whats in between your two arms?

The pain from 120vac is little bitch shit, but it does have enough to stop your heart in unlucky situations, Aint that a bitch to die by fibulation...
agreed, it's easy to kill yourself, and not much harder to hire a professional. if he gets zapped, it's on him. if your home burns down, he's liable.

it just makes sense...
 

Giddy up

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a lot of people use recep/device ratings, not knowing that it isn't 110vac and 220vac, but actually 120vac and 240vac.

i saw that too :p
What I'm saying is that, at least in North America, there is no single conductor carrying 240V. In North America 240v or 220v whatever you want to call it is just two 120 legs combined...so to get hit by 220 one would have to somehow encounter both legs simultaneously, which would be hard to do not on purpose.
 

Giddy up

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shit im gonna start taking pics every time i get called to fix a fried panel,meter ect.. Ive seen melted flatheads,house fires,melted hidden gfci's ect... So many things can go wrong that even an electrician himself won't attempt shit without complete speculation.

I beg you, if you have to ask then do not attempt your own electrical work. All it takes is holding the sub frame/breaker panel while slipping and hitting a bus bar, whats in between your two arms?

The pain from 120vac is little bitch shit, but it does have enough to stop your heart in unlucky situations, Aint that a bitch to die by fibulation...
Yeah not two weeks ago, we were called out to do a demo/rewire on a trailer that overloaded its service...tenant told land lord that he had to plug in heaters for his fish tanks lol, then suddenly disappeared and never came back to get his 'fish tank eqpt' haha. Probably the easiest way to get busted if you're not a seller.
 

cat of curiosity

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What I'm saying is that, at least in North America, there is no single conductor carrying 240V. In North America 240v or 220v whatever you want to call it is just two 120 legs combined...so to get hit by 220 one would have to somehow encounter both legs simultaneously, which would be hard to do not on purpose.
true, hence the double pole. but if you cut a live 10/3 or 12/3, you're gonna get hit by both sin waves, simultaneously. however, the amps are halved, so the bite is more a pop than a grabshitanddieohfuck... burns or blasted holes are more common when shorting a double phase line than single phase 120v.
Yeah not two weeks ago, we were called out to do a demo/rewire on a trailer that overloaded its service...tenant told land lord that he had to plug in heaters for his fish tanks lol, then suddenly disappeared and never came back to get his 'fish tank eqpt' haha. Probably the easiest way to get busted if you're not a seller.
i own exotic reptiles, they use MUCH more power than the 4kw used in the grow room. the fish thing isn't a stretch, but a guy needing shit for a bunch of water tanks in a trailer? um... fishy? i'd never put more weight on a trailer floor than a single 55g fish tank. that shit will fall straight through the melamine...
 

Giddy up

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Yeah I'm certain there were no critters of any sort...the give away were the six inch holes cut into the tops of the closets in all three bedrooms...it was an incredibly old trailer and in the middle of nowhere so I'm sure it was still working off of a 50A plug in lol...but I agree, it was certainly 'fishy.' Heyooooooo
 
the 30 amp breaker is already in place its already connected to a 240v receptacle, so youre telling me i need to get an electrician to hook a wire up to the controller.
 
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