The homeless/zombie crisis.

tangerinegreen555

tangerinegreen555

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ttystikk said:
America has gotten out of the habit of investing in its own citizens.
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In the '60's, it was fashionable (for lack of a better word) to be compassionate towards others.

Seems like we've gotten off course and away from that the last 3 or 4 decades.

The wealthy are doing OK though, better than fucking ever. They get to live in a great country AND get fabulous tax breaks too.

I don't see much 'trickling down' to the bottom lately. Just seems to get worse and the cold hearted have the audacity to complain about the homeless. Ridiculous!
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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tangerinegreen555 said:
In the '60's, it was fashionable (for lack of a better word) to be compassionate towards others.

Seems like we've gotten off course and away from that the last 3 or 4 decades.

The wealthy are doing OK though, better than fucking ever. They get to live in a great country AND get fabulous tax breaks too.

I don't see much 'trickling down' to the bottom lately. Just seems to get worse and the cold hearted have the audacity to complain about the homeless. Ridiculous!
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Your words sum up my feelings on the matter very well.
 
UncleBuck

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on the left, you see 'good taste restaurant', the best chinese food in the state of oregon. on the right, you see the homeless encampment in an empty adjacent lot.

i never had a problem with it. i was glad they had shelter and a community where they could be slightly more safe.

guess our buddy @Alienwidow will just ave to go without the best chinese food in portland. his loss.

NE corner of 4th and burnside for anyone who is interested.

golden horse on 4th and everett is pretty good too.
 
Indacouch

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Alienwidow said:
So homelessness is getting pretty bad around portland. Camps all over, driving businesses into the ground because consumers dont want to see bum camps while eating their lunch or have to pass through a bunch of junkies on their way to get some new nikes.

Personally i dont feed the homeless. When i see them on the corner with a sign i dont give them any money. My theory is if you give a squirrel a nut he'll probably come back looking for more nuts. It seems like with all the ways Portland condones homelessness and supports the homeless, that theres no real incentive to stop being homeless. Food stamps, police that almost never get rid of bum camps, water fountains on street corners, food banks, shelters, a constant supply of people giving them cash to stand there and look crazy, hey, why mess with a good thing right?

Unfortunately its a disaster. Theres junkies all over, needles on the streets, people sleeping on the ground, my friends brother oded the other day (homless junkie), and the city looks like shit.

So whats the solution? Stop taking care of them so they go away? Take matters into our own hands and tear down the camps vigilante style? Bag em and tag em, toss em into looney bins and take care of em for the rest of their lives? Ship em all to Australia? Any ideas?
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Bring back the bum fights ...more gladiator style though ...where only the toughest bum survives ....so ya that's my idea have a 35 dollar grand prize for last bum living and pass out sharpened objects ...
 
Aeroknow

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Worst thing i've ever done besides help build a bunch of buildings for sun micro at that agnews site, was punching out some jail time working for cal trans. Fuck man. We took out a few incampments in san jose. Straight fucked those homeless people up. So sad.
 
Grandpapy

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whitebb2727 said:
I'm not against a prisoner having a job. I'm not against a prison offsetting the cost to taxpayers with said jobs.

We cant just throw people in a hole and break them. Make them suffer.

The goal of incarceration should be to make the victim and society hole. Locking someone away and making them forget all life skills does not make society whole.

I am all for jobs, degrees and such in prison. It only benefits us when those people get out.
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My point was Washington watched the H loaded on the plane bound for Portland.

Anger should be directed to the source.
 
HAF2

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This thread has helped me realize that as a younger person I may have been insensitive to the hardships of others. I may have said "gross" as a teenager when I should have been saying "what can I do to help". It's important to recognize our own shortcomings so we can change them. Id much rather look back at my life and be proud of the things I've done, rather than just feel lucky for the things I avoided. Totally going to start volunteering again.
 
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HAF2 said:
This thread has helped me realize that as a younger person I may have been insensitive to the hardships of others. I may have said "gross" as a teenager when I should have been saying "what can I do to help". It's important to recognize our own shortcomings so we can change them. Id much rather look back at my life and be proud of the things I've done, rather than just feel lucky for the things I avoided. Totally going to start volunteering again.
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Great attitude man.
 
Alienwidow

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714steadyeddie said:
That hate is unnatural , you must have some deep resentment. Why not help your fellow brother or sister
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I guess i just dont see things this way. I worked my ass off and risked my neck to get where im at. If i see someone standing all day on a street corner, less than a block away from work force, or labor ready, two places that you can walk in and theyll give you a job for the day thats easy as hell like sign waving, then im going to resent them. And this is reality. Theres two spots theyre at everyday that are right next to these places.

Unless there is a real mental illness problem with the individual, they can work, we have the options there, they just have to walk through the doors. I dont see why i should help them out and take money i earned for my family away from my family, when theyre standing less than a block away from the solution to their problem and refusing to walk through the door, because it's easier to wait for some hard working Americans to hand them money.
 
Alienwidow

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neosapien said:
So you got help to get out of that situation. But don't think others like you, deserve that same help that you got. Got it.
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I looked for a way out and thats why i got out. I took a skill as a husler and turned it into my retirement. And i do think that they all deserve a way out. Thats why the first post on this thread asks for ideas for solutions. If theres a way to fix the problem that you have in mind, im all ears.
 
UncleBuck

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Alienwidow said:
I guess i just dont see things this way. I worked my ass off and risked my neck to get where im at. If i see someone standing all day on a street corner, less than a block away from work force, or labor ready, two places that you can walk in and theyll give you a job for the day thats easy as hell like sign waving, then im going to resent them. And this is reality. Theres two spots theyre at everyday that are right next to these places.

Unless there is a real mental illness problem with the individual, they can work, we have the options there, they just have to walk through the doors. I dont see why i should help them out and take money i earned for my family away from my family, when theyre standing less than a block away from the solution to their problem and refusing to walk through the door, because it's easier to wait for some hard working Americans to hand them money.
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those disabled or mentally unstable vets are totally not hard working americans. and very mentally ill people could totally just go get a job holding a sign, they don't have issues like mental illness or anything.

people suffering from drug addiction just need to stop being addicted to drugs, duh. gay youth who have been shunned by their parents are totally sapping you out of your hard earned money. women who have been sex trafficked their entire lives or who have escaped their pimps and captors should get some fucking bootstraps.

your head is really in the right place on this one.
 
Alienwidow

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Hookabelly said:
Yes, this was true in Seattle, mostly mentally ill at first, but now the herioin problem has eclipsed the "homeless problem" I've read articles about this growing epidemic of ppl who started off addicted to prescription drugs and when they couldn't get them anymore, their addiction forced them to switch to heroin.Cheaper, easier to get. And these are folks from ALL walks of life, not just grouped as "mentally ill," Seattle's problem with herioin vans and tents all over down town is so bad that the mayor wants to create safe shelters where they can safely do their drugs.

Was just listening to a piece yesterday on the radio about a former meth/herioin addict who got help from a Seattle organization and is now driving the van the goes and hands out clothing and food to homeless. His (the former addict's) take on it was that you can't just supply housing, you have to eliminate the addiction first. I'm all in favor of th $ going to that. Maybe what @Alienwidow was trying to ask is how best to deal with it? I don't think the answer is just throwing more$ in the direction of building houses to get high, putting the $ toward actually investing in the individuals.

Treat the addiction, (while providing housing, job skills etc) not warehouse the drug addicts. would that solve it?
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BINGO. right on point. The dope is getting so bad lately. My trimmers brother oded while he was working for me. I had to watch him deal with that for weeks. It was terrible. He knew his brother did heroin and thats why he chose to he homeless. Its not like he would or could go home, he didnt want help, and his family stopped giving him help because hed ripped them off so many times he was unwelcome.
Youre totally right about eliminating the addiction problem before any help anyone can give is actually going to make a difference. It doesnt really matter what you do for a junkie, theyre going to buy dope with the help (money) you give them. Give them a house, theyll use it to get high in. Give them a park to take over and build a camp, theyre going to use it to get high in. I totally agree with you that the pill and heroin problem is what we should be concentrated on over any other handout program.
 
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