Tired of the fertilizer "extras"

Craig1969SS

Craig1969SS

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Since changing from organic soil to coco I've been frustrated with the synthetic fert companies and people here and on every other site saying you need the countless bottles of add ons, accelerators, bulking agents, root amplifiers and on and on. Shit never ends and you don't even need it! All of these plants are growing in qt, 1 gal & 2 gal pots. I use a 1 part floranova bloom 4-8-7 @ 650-700ppm total with the tap contributing 170 of that. I switch this up with dynagrow bloom 3-12-6 every second or third feeding at the same ppm. No more burned plants. These are Dutch passion outlaw clones 4 generation. Fed once daily with a lot of runoff. PH runs 5.5-6.5. Don't fall for the hype people.
 

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Craig1969SS

Craig1969SS

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Yeah those look great man. What strains you got going there? What about lights? I'm using an upstairs bedroom and have no intake or exhaust air either I used botanicare last grow and alternated that with another and got the same results. This business with the extras started with H&G. I bought A&B and was pissed when I saw what else was "recommended " and some of the companies will leave out some of the micros in the A&B and put them in one of the extras which is like being extorted.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Thanks man. Botanicare has a bunch of other bottles too but I even stopped using the bloom bottle. Complete fert is all you need for most methods.

The plants are mostly from CH9 Female seed co. And I am using 2 600 watt air cooled hoods with Hortilux Super HPS bulbs. I use intake and exhaust fans in this spare bedroom. The room next door is my veg and lung room. I heat and air condition in there and have my veg tents. A 6 " inline fan brings the conditioned air in through a filter.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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If you'd like to save serious money on your nutrients, check out dry nutrient salts.

Hydro-gardens.com is a great resource.

I use their 5-11-26 hydroponic mix with micros, calcium nitrate, epsom salt and monopotassium phosphate, also known as MKP. And that's it. 100 gallons of plant ready nutes costs me about a dollar and change.

At no extra charge comes the knowledge that there isn't anything in my nutes that I haven't been informed about.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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There's a thread here someplace; reverse engineering nutrients or some such. Look into it.

Here's a website made by a fellow RIU member;

https://www.open-salt.com

If you're using a bottle of water, you're paying too much for nutes.
 
Trippyness

Trippyness

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Most of us are well aware of the Marketing that goes on in the Canna industry.
Dry ferts are your friend.
What I use is a 1 part grow for veg and 1 part bloom for flower and a PK late in flower.
Newbies buy into it and we all have at one point.
JR Peters or GH Maxi is great.
 
OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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Since it seems like you guys are on a similar page as me with nutes I do want to drop this here:
What about elements that enhance aroma and flavor (not fruity tootie shit but like a nice organic soil grown flavor)?
I have bounced around a bit, starting with commercial greenhouse powders, adding supplements to that, then Flora Nova, and now Ionic
I have to say the Flora Nova produced the Dankest funk aroma's and frost. Is it the protien hydrolysate in it? Humics? Too many unknowns in that product that the company won't openly discuss makes me a little uncomfortable with it.
Any of you have recommendations on things to add on top of a clean running mineral line such as Ionic? Maybe a Seabird Guano tea? Something that won't turn to total stinkiness and plugged up pumps in hydro
 
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goofy81

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Had a grow I just used house and garden a+b for veg and flower and everything turned out fine.
Now, I spend a lot on nutrients because it just makes me feel better and gives a placebo affect.
Although, I do admit my plants are more forgiving with some of the $$$$ nutrients, the problems I used to have aren't as bad if you get what I mean.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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OneHitDone said:
Since it seems like you guys are on a similar page as me with nutes I do want to drop this here:
What about elements that enhance aroma and flavor (not fruity tootie shit but like a nice organic soil grown flavor)?
I have bounced around a bit, starting with commercial greenhouse powders, adding supplements to that, then Flora Nova, and now Ionic
I have to say the Flora Nova produced the Dankest funk aroma's and frost. Is it the protien hydrolysate in it? Humics? Too many unknowns in that product that the company won't openly discuss makes me a little uncomfortable with it.
Any of you have recommendations on things to add on top of a clean running mineral line such as Ionic? Maybe a Seabird Guano tea? Something that won't turn to total stinkiness and plugged up pumps in hydro
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I was happy with pro mix and kind trio or pure blend pro. But when I moved out to the woods The local store had fresh pallets of Ocean Forest stored inside so I tried it out of convenience. I only have to drive a bit for perlite which I find helps at about 20% added in my rooms.

Anyway I used it and transplanted up so I could water only through veg and then fed when the final pot depleted and the final product was better. More terpenes and more potency. We all noticed.

So to tie this in with your question as I am not an organic only kinda guy is that I believe it is the much greater range of trace elements in soil with seaweed and worm castings. And the shellfish meal and guanos.

And to keep the nutrient availability and diversity going all the way through flower The Botanicare stuff I use has seaweed and humic acid added.

I have used powdered nutes made by my favorite breeder in the pro mix and while the difference is mild. The final product was missing something in my quest for amazing marijuana.

If I tried jacks or something in the ocean forest I would want seaweed extract and humic acid to get through flower.

Kinda like you said above about your results.

Also I use well water. It's drilled deep and it has almost no issues but a little too much iron but If I went back to R O water or a mix to get down the ppm's I might feel I need to add Sulfer. Or mag. (Mag sulfate) is the main ingredient in Sweet Raw I believe.

Unless it was sufficient in the nutes like Kind trio has it added.

So I believe in a much fuller range of elements available makes more complex and tastier pot than just the 16 elements they say are needed.

I read somewhere that they have tested varying micronutrients like mn and get different thc to cbd profiles so there is a whole lot we don't know about plant nutrition yet. But they are getting there it seems.
 
Psyphish

Psyphish

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RB26 uses some (not sure which) Advanced Nutrients bloom boosters... his GG#4 hit 33%. Sure weed grows with just the basic stuff, but some things like chitosan and alfalfa make a difference for sure.
 
OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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One other factor i believe plays into this is "water stress". Letting plants go a bit on the dry side from time to time does seem to have effects on them
That is one aspect that is impossible to simulate in a dwc system where it is full hydration all of the time. Aside from the concept of running the ec's at extremely high levels.
I guess basically we are after a tea that has been made from the most amazing compost ever but stabilized in a way that the bacterial properties don't blow up a hydro system lol
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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OneHitDone said:
One other factor i believe plays into this is "water stress". Letting plants go a bit on the dry side from time to time does seem to have effects on them
That is one aspect that is impossible to simulate in a dwc system where it is full hydration all of the time. Aside from the concept of running the ec's at extremely high levels.
I guess basically we are after a tea that has been made from the most amazing compost ever but stabilized in a way that the bacterial properties don't blow up a hydro system lol
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Watering less and letting the pots go drier than I was originally comfortable with has been the main thing that has improved my results.

Interesting.....
 
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