Reverse Engineering everyone's nutrients

[DonaldJTrump]

read the label,plus should be listed.I use g.h.for now. Not for long though. Scotts/monsanto is evil incarnate. not all cal mag is the same. best is to adjust ppm to between 160-200 with the calmag. not even needed if your running tap or well water in most cases.

word up. im ordering the maxi and superbloom now. i like simple and cheap too for basically the same results. I have about 3/4qt of gh calmag should be good for idk like a few hundred gallons?

i ordered these if you can verify sir.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NXVZQUW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EGPDNJE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Looks like the sonic bloom is not going to be here until monday. Is it okay to flush and bring the ppm up with the maxibloom until the sonic bloom gets here?

my plants stem are thicker then anything i have ever seen using this aero. But im mid week 4-5 depending on how you count your cycle. my top colas are barely the size of large marbles. Bottom branches are unbelievably spars

The strain i run is iced grapefruit. ITs a tought yield. dank and flavorful as hell tho. im either thinking i fucked something up or these flowers are going to explode in these final weeks.

i am around 1300-1400 ppm atm with AN 3 part nuts. Running about 15% higher micro and bloom ratio and still having this issue. Plants are showing no sign of nute lock deficiency etc.

Any thoughts? May take pics tonight with lights on.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

These are the resivors i run for 3 gardes. Running 3 week rotation. I find these to be GREAT. they are a little pricey but you get what you pay for. These things will withstand a hurricane. I dont like leaks in my home.

Also they are WIDE and fairly shallow. You can run up to 10 rails (5x5' fence posts) under these things with a 1k light or two 1ks if you can. This system works great and is simple. Res water stays ice cold. AC on blast for purple strains even during winter. Air cooled tube hoods on the 1k's may take pics later.

each garden costs about 150-200 to establish minus nutes. that includes rez, posts, pipes, and pump.

https://www.amazon.com/Rubbermaid-Commercial-Structural-Capacity-FG424400BLA/dp/B01L21DTHG/ref=sr_1_1?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1480611712&sr=1-1&keywords=50+gallon+stock+tank

 

[Igotthe6]

I never used aero. The ppms sound way high to me. I run max of 750 in rdwc. Be careful of sonic bloome a little goes a long way. I use 1/2 strength.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

I never used aero. The ppms sound way high to me. I run max of 750 in rdwc. Be careful of sonic bloome a little goes a long way. I use 1/2 strength.

techniically most aero is dwc. Meaning the misters we use are not true aero misters. Its just more like dwc.

Anyway im wondering if i am locked? Im not really showing any signs of nute issues and i just flushed again.

Lastly can i run the maxibloom alone for a day or two?

Ill snap some photos tonight. i think im right where i need to be for week 4. I just get worried because i like massive flowers

edit: when mixing the maxi bloom, sonic bloom, and ca mag. when adding the correct amount per gal. IF im running a 50 gallon res. Can i add enough for 60 gallons into a 1 gallon jug? then mix in res to desired ppm level?

some nutes like an im running allow me just to dump all nutes into one container when needed and set to ppm. some i have read you have to mix in larger volume as will not dissolve right?

just to be clear you are running maxibloom at regular strength and sonic bloom at half strength? Thanks.

 

[Igotthe6]

there may be the problem. try mixing each separate,if you use micro,add first always dilute when adding. especially ph up and down. And yes maxi at full. use sonic week 5/6 @ 1/2 strength.I start lowering ppm on the maxi week 7/8.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

ok cool im going to flush sat when the maxi comes and redo w maxi then when the bloom gets here tue ill hit them w that and see what happens in this beotch

 

[swiftkillpapa]

So I like your questions @DonaldJTrump I've been on the same page. I have a question aside from your enquires. I'm looking to figure out the equation that will help me know. If I want to make a cloning solution stronger than kln with 2% iba or iaa how do I figure out how many greens per gallon I have to add of 98% iba to get a 2% stock solutio?

 

[DonaldJTrump]

So I like your questions @DonaldJTrump I've been on the same page. I have a question aside from your enquires. I'm looking to figure out the equation that will help me know. If I want to make a cloning solution stronger than kln with 2% iba or iaa how do I figure out how many greens per gallon I have to add of 98% iba to get a 2% stock solutio?

i use zero cloning solution w/100% succes in a 35 cloner i made w a rubbermaid. Clones are ready in 5-7 days always

edit currently the cloner is saturated with 4-500 ppm of flowering mix as i had to use it as a flowering chamber for first week while garden #2 parts arrived.

Clones seem to be loving this low ppm and popped back up same day. ps i use the plastic collars you can insert stem into.

 

[swiftkillpapa]

i use zero cloning solution w/100% succes in a 35 cloner i made w a rubbermaid. Clones are ready in 5-7 days always

edit currently the cloner is saturated with 4-500 ppm of flowering mix as i had to use it as a flowering chamber for first week while garden #2 parts arrived.

Clones seem to be loving this low ppm and popped back up same day. ps i use the plastic collars you can insert stem into.

I know what you're saying and I'd follow suit but I'm just a worker bee for a clone company. We use rockwool for transportation and assistance for new growers because dealing with open air roots, according to my boss, is more difficult for survival. So bc it's his business and his choice, which I respect, I am attempting my best to cut down on the price we pay for kln, heavy roots, and rootburst powder. I would eventually like to make my own version of cns17 but one step at a time starting with kln. The more we save the more we grow.

 

[DonaldJTrump]

ppm holding steady on rez 1 garden 1 @2k ppm AN nutes. Flowers set to explode this week and the following (week 6-7)

Iced grapefruit shows a 53 day finish online. I am thinking this will be a longer flower for best results. 9-11 week. With full nutrient load. although i have personally witnessed this finish 53 -65 days those plants were also the same height but the stems were as thick as slim pencil. Not as thick as a large dry erase marker. which aero is much thicker and bigger everything.

ppm holding steady on rez 2 garden 2 @500ppm AN nutes and @500 ppm Maxibloom gh nutes (1k total nutes).

stay tuned. Plants love nutes. They feel like they can grow forever. Personally i think something about them growing roots into the rez and having abundant nutes and not force flushing allows the plant to go longer. from my research.

Edit: PLants seem to be drinking 10-15 gallons every few days in garden 1 (root matt has reached rez) topped off rez. ppm dropped to 1300. pushed to 2k with maxibloom nute powder

 

[rshackleferd]

Ive had AWESOME results with fatmans diy coco coir recipe. In fact the first time i used fatmans coco coir forumla i had a record harvest, 10.2 dry ounces from a single think different. I tried researching diy nutes but just got confused and lazy so i just followed some online instructions and never went back to commercial brands. No need for ph adjusters or supplements..its already configured in the recipe.

Here is a list of chemicals that are required in fatmans coco coir formula; found them all on ebay, amazon, and local supply store such as lowes.

Calcium Nitrate=ebay
Iron Chelate= amazon= "Fe-EDDHA" expensive type of iron cheltate but the best one for plants
Potassium Nitrate= sold as stump remover can also find this in pharmacies, also available at ebay and amazon
MonoPotassium Phosphate=ebay
Magnesium sulfate= sold under the name "epson salt", usually in the garden section
Manganese sulfate=ebay
Boric Acid= source of boron sold as insecticide to control cockroaches
Zinc Sulfate=amazon
Copper sulfate=amazon
Ammonium Molybdate=amazon, one gram will last a lifetime

 

[jsquared89]

i live in central wa buddy. Question. How am i not saving money ordering online? Amazon prime is shipping 2 pound bags? Please correct me if im wrong. But the above recipe i posted at max is 2g/gal of said fert. so 25 gallons only need 50 grams. about 2 oz..... Doesnt seem like much to me compared to the AN nutes? JEsus christ so fking expensive.

Anyway you are right i guess bigger is better w.o. shipping. if you find something close with the above ferts i listed on amazon lmk! assuming they are the right ones

There are like 3 or 4 Crop Production Services locations in central WA. Do a google search or go to their website. Go in with a list of the chemical names you need. They will have what you're looking for.

 

[hyposomniac]

Concerning preservatives, methyl paraben and sodium benzoate are going to be in every "organic" bottled liquid. They are used all the time, and you can bet they are in every liquid concentrate, including "Nectar of The Gods". It's a totally deceitful practice to not report these preservatives anywhere, but they are using them in generous amounts (ie many percent by weight). They could not keep the bottles from going rancid without large amounts of preservatives in every batch. I have watched the mixing of many batches of liquid concentrates and the methyl paraben is used in bucket-fulls, and sodium benzoate in kilos at a time.

Above I was incorrect; I should have said that the combination of sodium benzoate and ascorbic acid are very bad. These are used together in high amounts in many bottled "fertilizers' - which has been flagged by the FDA as a dangerous combination making benzene, a carcinogen.

It's been known in the food industry for awhile and even soda pop is likely to be contaminated by benzene;

http://www.rense.com/general74/benz.htm

Disturbing info. Any insight re this issue and neptunes fish hydrolysate or pacifigro fish/crab?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

so i just ordered a 4 lb. tub of Jack's classic 20-20-20, a 1.5 lb. tub of Jack's bloom booster 10-30-20, and a 5 lb. bag of southern ag calcium nitrate. i already have a bag of epsom salts.
what i'm thinking, per gallon right now is
2 G Ca-N
2 G Jack's classic
1 G MgSo4
for veg, then replacing the Jack's classic with bloom booster 1 G per week, so by the 4th week of flower it would be
2 G Ca-N
2-3 G bloom booster
1 G MgSo4
is there anything else i need to add to this mix at different times? some fulvic/humic mix? some kelp extract at a particular point?

 

[im4satori]

theres 29 pages here so forgive me in advance that I haven't read every post
and maybe its been mentioned

how is it that advanced nutrients is using chelated (EDTA) micro nutrients in a concentrate when most chelated micro nutes aren't compatible in a concentrate with most other elements..thus requiring the use of (for example) zinc sulphate and Mn sulphate

also i thought most nute mixes use iron DTPA not iron EDTA (isn't the Fe EDTA toxic)

and lastly...who the hell wants to order ammonium nitrate on line!!!! I don't think you can buy it at all!!!
why even us an ammonium product at all since it affects the flavor of pot and its harder to leach

 

[ttystikk]

theres 29 pages here so forgive me in advance that I haven't read every post
and maybe its been mentioned

how is it that advanced nutrients is using chelated (EDTA) micro nutrients in a concentrate when most chelated micro nutes aren't compatible in a concentrate with most other elements..thus requiring the use of (for example) zinc sulphate and Mn sulphate

also i thought most nute mixes use iron DTPA not iron EDTA (isn't the Fe EDTA toxic)

and lastly...who the hell wants to order ammonium nitrate on line!!!! I don't think you can buy it at all!!!
why even us an ammonium product at all since it affects the flavor of pot and its harder to leach

Advanced Nutrients sells to gullible uninformed and naive people who have never cracked a chemistry text in their lives, and preys most profitably on their ignorance.

 

[The_Enthusiast]

I've red first few pages and few last pages, did anyone really calculate the PPM PER ELEMENT of each formula in different week of bloom? I once tried it but it's a hassle without knowing real composition of premixed nutrients.

 

[im4satori]

I've red first few pages and few last pages, did anyone really calculate the PPM PER ELEMENT of each formula in different week of bloom? I once tried it but it's a hassle without knowing real composition of premixed nutrients.

i have for a few brands
GH 3 part
GH 1part
advanced 3 part
technaflora

they all run ratios something between
1:2:3 or 1:1:2 or 2:1:4
N : P : K

for example in ppm:
80:40:120 or 60:60:120 or 70:35:140

 

[ttystikk]

I've red first few pages and few last pages, did anyone really calculate the PPM PER ELEMENT of each formula in different week of bloom? I once tried it but it's a hassle without knowing real composition of premixed nutrients.

https://www.open-salt.com

 

[im4satori]

https://www.open-salt.com

even this site has EDTA Zn and Mn being used in concentrates...
and then when you go to the solubility page only Fe is listed

hmmm curious

I have read these chelates aren't soluble in concentrates

hydrobuddy wont even let you use Mn edta in a concentrate(although it will allow Zn edta)... it has a warning or error stating non solubility

very curious