Justin-case
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I think we found where you tie up your goat, ahh sensitive junkie boi.
"White working class voters are good people, they're not racist, not sexist" -Joe Biden
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I think we found where you tie up your goat, ahh sensitive junkie boi.
NLXSK1
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Buck has at least 5 alts on here. Some days I swear I am arguing with 16 people, 10 of who are Buckyboy.
tampee
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For real too many people agree with everything Buck says and backs him up the whole time. I hope he has a life outside but I imagine him 300lbs sitting with a bag of Chettos trolling the day away.
Unclebaldrick
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I imagine that you believe your imagination. It would explain your completely stupid beliefs.
tangerinegreen555
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No, the only one UB just has permanent place of residence in your head rent free.
Have you ever considered that a minimum of 50% of Americans would think you're fairly stupid after reading your 'Halfrican' or ' would have fucked the black girl' content?
You post your own shit, right? Nobody is writing that crap for you, right?
Did you have your cable service disconnected yet? Who fucking needs TV real news or entertainment with such a rich full life?
Justin-case
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Lol, 16 people, I think there are 5 or 6 that still give him the time of day.
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ttystikk
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BWAHAHAHA!!!!
ALLLLLLLL those pesky people with their OPINIONS!
Too bad your arguments suck, you sad little racist twat, otherwise you might actually find some points of agreement amongst those of us with an actual education in politics.
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tampee
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your arguments are a joke because you are a Socialist.
ttystikk
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Fogdog
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So you are good with Trump ending the constitution? This was a direct question, is it hard to answer?
All you ever say is what you don't want. That's going to get harder to say when Trump goes deeper into limiting personal freedom and civil rights.
Is this a shopping list for him from you?
Repeal the Patriot Act,
outlaw work place drug testing,
no bans on any arms,
end the war on drugs,
immediate execution of any president who lies to the public about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq
or maybe immediate execution of any president who creates a fake news story (aka propaganda) to influence congress and public opinion?
Or maybe restore the constitution to its 1789 glory?
Fogdog
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So, breaking an organizational rule is enough, not breaking a law, is that what you are saying? Because no laws were broken that I've heard of. Should we enact legislation to police party activities? How would you do that?
I never heard Hillary Clinton's name come up as an actor in the DNC scandal. Or her name attached to the electoral fraud in New York if that's what it was. Should somebody have to forfeit if someone does something unethical in their benefit without their knowledge? You know, a computer tech in Bernie's team broke an agreement, hacked the DNC system and got fired. Should Bernie have been cast out too? Or is this just your little hate on Clinton?
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ttystikk
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It doesn't break any laws to manipulate who gets to be nominated for President?
That's a special kind of middle finger to the ideal of democracy.
Padawanbater2
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Shaun King's take
"Over the past few days, the Obamas and the Clintons have made a series of statements on why the Democratic Party lost the presidential election to Donald Trump. The statements, if anything, reveal what happens when politicians are isolated from the American public for so long. While some nuggets of truth could be found there — by and large they all severely miss the mark on how and why Hillary Clinton lost. Instead of looking internally at mistakes they made, they continue to look outward — casting blame on anybody and everybody but themselves."
"Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate to run against Donald Trump. Of course the Obama and Clinton families will never say this, but she was. I honestly believe that she may have been the only leading Democrat that Donald Trump could've beaten. Next to him, she was among the least popular politicians to ever run for president. Her weaknesses and challenges counterbalanced those of Trump time after time after time. Trump is a rich, unethical liar with major character problems. To beat him, you run the opposite of that. Clinton, true or not, was not seen as the opposite, but the Democratic equivalent."
"Secondly, the Democratic Party needed to be the party of progressive populism to beat the rise of Trump's phony conservative populism, but they chose candidates and strategies that simply could not do this. Whereas Trump tapped into the anger and frustration of his voter base, the Democratic Party failed to do the same thing on issues that had widespread grassroots support from coast to coast."
"In other words, while progressives were fighting against police brutality, against the Dakota Access Pipeline, against TPP, against fracking and for a $15 minimum wage, Clinton was consistently on the wrong side of each of those issues."
"The Democratic Party put out the wrong candidate, but even with her, they could and should've still won this election, but they repeatedly ignored and dismissed progressive people and causes that could've tipped it in her favor."
"Even now, as the Democratic establishment seems hell-bent on not choosing Keith Ellison as the leader of the DNC — in spite of widespread progressive support for him. I've never seen anything like it. Hundreds of thousands of people have come forward to say they want Keith to lead the party, but the party stalls and stalls and stalls, and seems determined to do anything other than pick the progressive choice.
If the Democratic Party is going to have any success moving forward, it must lean into progressive populism and not away from it."
"Over the past few days, the Obamas and the Clintons have made a series of statements on why the Democratic Party lost the presidential election to Donald Trump. The statements, if anything, reveal what happens when politicians are isolated from the American public for so long. While some nuggets of truth could be found there — by and large they all severely miss the mark on how and why Hillary Clinton lost. Instead of looking internally at mistakes they made, they continue to look outward — casting blame on anybody and everybody but themselves."
"Hillary Clinton was a terrible candidate to run against Donald Trump. Of course the Obama and Clinton families will never say this, but she was. I honestly believe that she may have been the only leading Democrat that Donald Trump could've beaten. Next to him, she was among the least popular politicians to ever run for president. Her weaknesses and challenges counterbalanced those of Trump time after time after time. Trump is a rich, unethical liar with major character problems. To beat him, you run the opposite of that. Clinton, true or not, was not seen as the opposite, but the Democratic equivalent."
"Secondly, the Democratic Party needed to be the party of progressive populism to beat the rise of Trump's phony conservative populism, but they chose candidates and strategies that simply could not do this. Whereas Trump tapped into the anger and frustration of his voter base, the Democratic Party failed to do the same thing on issues that had widespread grassroots support from coast to coast."
"In other words, while progressives were fighting against police brutality, against the Dakota Access Pipeline, against TPP, against fracking and for a $15 minimum wage, Clinton was consistently on the wrong side of each of those issues."
"The Democratic Party put out the wrong candidate, but even with her, they could and should've still won this election, but they repeatedly ignored and dismissed progressive people and causes that could've tipped it in her favor."
"Even now, as the Democratic establishment seems hell-bent on not choosing Keith Ellison as the leader of the DNC — in spite of widespread progressive support for him. I've never seen anything like it. Hundreds of thousands of people have come forward to say they want Keith to lead the party, but the party stalls and stalls and stalls, and seems determined to do anything other than pick the progressive choice.
If the Democratic Party is going to have any success moving forward, it must lean into progressive populism and not away from it."
ttystikk
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The Democratic Party has sold out to the donor class, so progressive issues are no longer given the time of day.
Forming a liberal party may be the only way to threaten the Democratic party apparatchiks enough to force them to consider becoming more populist.
It's a dark time in American history when the .01% run the show and can get their way over the will of a hundred million citizens. This is so absolutely antithetical to the idea of democracy and consent of the governed that we must all protest and fight it as fiercely as possible.
Padawanbater2
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I'm beginning to think the creation of a new party that actually represents progressive ideals is inevitable. 2018 will show us where the leadership of the Democratic party is, the candidates they support, the outcome of the midterms. If they push more establishment politicians, they will lose. If that happens, I think a third party will emerge with significant support. I know I'll be out there pushing the idea to everyone I know.
UncleBuck
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Padawanbater2
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Not really. Why would I remain a member of a party that doesn't represent me? Why would you?
Telling Republicans they've been hoodwinked by a con-artist is OK, but telling you you've been had by the Democratic equivalent isn't.. I have known you long enough to know that introspection isn't really in your vocabulary, but listen to me when I tell you this now because if I'm right, you'll be the first to hear about it later; you go your way and push these establishment, entrenched politicians and see how well they do when they lose. Clinton, Perez, Schumer, Pelosi, Feinstein, etc. I'll support the actual progressives like Ellison, Sanders, and I'll include Warren even though she endorsed Clinton.
So I think I'll wait to play ball with someone who actually values the rules of the game
MisterBouncyBounce
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Or how well they do even if they win. those mentioned are actually republicans pretending to be dems.
the dem party is dead in terms of being the party of the poor and the working middle class.
only the willfully blind don't see that or the true diehards who find it so painful to find how they've been betrayed and how misplaced their trust has been.
the everyday person who is trying to understand what's going on needs to throw away political language, dispense with jargon and stop using it to describe things. Stop thinking in terms of strategies, tactics and ploys, of sides and positions, of talking points and planks in platforms and look at their own life and those around them in plain terms.
Someone here said "everyone knows you stop trusting someone after the first or at most the second lie." and many people agreed.
That's looking at things in plain terms. And if that is wise, then it is not wise to forget it. It can't be left out when thinking about how our society is run.
It's plain logic to know that the people who have power can do things and people who don't have power can't.
plain and simple, how do you like today's world?
Whether you answered good or bad, the next question is, who are the only people who could have made it that way?
Logic says the people with power.
who are the people with power?
Welfare moms, Illegal aliens, poor people, the homeless, the jobless, the disaffected and marginalized or the people who control super rich corporations?
You see people how easy it is to identify who is responsible for today's world?
it's plain and simple and true.
With that being true, it means that no matter what other things seem like, no matter how true other things may seem, they cannot be true.
Since you now know who is ultimately responsible for how things are, then you know that no matter what, the path has to lead there, so anything that takes you further from that is wrong and anything that brings you closer is right.
Once you have drawn a line of thinking that leads to corporate power, then you have a pretty solid understanding of the truth behind our socioeconomic situation.
Rob Roy
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*who's
st0wandgrow
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I watched the Bernie Sanders town hall program on MSNBC last night. It was in Kenosha (sp?) WI. They talked to a bunch of people that voted for Trump, many of which had voted for Obama and identified as Democrats. Their answer as to why they voted for Trump....because he wasn't Hillary Clinton. Almost all of them conceded that if Bernie would have been on the ticket they would have voted for him. He would have mopped the floor with Trump.