monkeychief
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That looks more like magnesium deficiency. Give the a full dose of calmag and supplement every 3-4 days under the amares at half to full dose, depending on the strain.
My Amare Full-Bore Pro-4 Grow #1
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Hybridway
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Lowered them down to about 18" off the top-trellis now.
Remembering back to when I hung them originally, it was a tough decision. 24" maintains #'s that are the closest between lights too-net. Where they are now I'm about 1100-1300 under the light & 750ish between them. When I drop the meter lower in the overlap section, the #'s get higher. So the bottom trellis is around 850 between the lights.
So glad I had the Par-meter. For anyone who's interested, the apogee MQ-500 gave higher #'s then the 200. @CobKits, thank you for the suggestion. It reads the R+B mix more accurately then the MQ-200. With Amares Enhanced White Apogee rep suggests activating the SunShine mode on the 200 when testing the Amares. Still have to try that. Might get me closer to the 500 model.
I'll try to get some mapping done on this thread so others that own Amares here can use them to set the light. I know I would've been way off if not for the Meter.
Did the 450 w/ lens already on the Mapping thread but still need to do some w/o lenses. I'll try to get some above the plants @ the height I'm at, which is around 20" I believe.
Remembering back to when I hung them originally, it was a tough decision. 24" maintains #'s that are the closest between lights too-net. Where they are now I'm about 1100-1300 under the light & 750ish between them. When I drop the meter lower in the overlap section, the #'s get higher. So the bottom trellis is around 850 between the lights.
So glad I had the Par-meter. For anyone who's interested, the apogee MQ-500 gave higher #'s then the 200. @CobKits, thank you for the suggestion. It reads the R+B mix more accurately then the MQ-200. With Amares Enhanced White Apogee rep suggests activating the SunShine mode on the 200 when testing the Amares. Still have to try that. Might get me closer to the 500 model.
I'll try to get some mapping done on this thread so others that own Amares here can use them to set the light. I know I would've been way off if not for the Meter.
Did the 450 w/ lens already on the Mapping thread but still need to do some w/o lenses. I'll try to get some above the plants @ the height I'm at, which is around 20" I believe.
born2grow1
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born2grow1
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That would be awesome man big help lets see those par#s
monkeychief
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Check your pH. If you're using nutes, flush. It might just be a finicky strain/pheno if it's not a clone.
Hybridway
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Quick pic update. They are drinking fast.
Flo: great scrog plant. Lateral branching everywhere. Its structure naturally allows light in. Starting to see purpling around the leaf edges & it has allot of purple stem. I like her.
GoGi: last one in the rotation. Didn't clone it. Lost a branch that was about 1/3 of the plant right before the flip so she's been drinking a lil slower then the rest. Had curled leaves & a few problems but she's growing out of them now. Starting to shape up.
Kings: Hearty plant, quick to root from clone, great smoke, high terps, nice stretcher that fills in a scrog well. Last run I got 1.25 # off one plant under a 1000 Hps. its now one of my favorites in the garden.
Northen Lights: not much if a stretch w/ buds forming on top of each other. Probably be a nice Cola style plant similiar to @Evil-Mobo who showed me a pretty impressive NL he grew under a CMH. Damn, what a hard plant to clone though.
SFV-OG: She also suffered from a big broken off branch but is filling in well aside from the dip in the corner. Pushed her pot right against the inside corner of the wall & let her stray away. Didn't clone her either but do have one plant of her in veg so if she does well I may keep her going.
Ace of Spades: this was a solid top bush that couldn't be opened up. Upon trying I split her in 1/2. She got taped up & is flowering through the damage fine from what I can see. My main problem w/ her was she kept trying to flower for months before she went in. So I'm a lil nervous about her herming. Because I couldn't open her up, she's only getting 1/2 of 1 Pro-4.
Here's the 2 Sweet Amnesia. They take awhile to get happy. I think she's mad @ me. She likes to have long branches flowering into big colas. I forced just the opposite onto her by bending her branches under the first net. So now her bud sites have to try to turn into their own lil colas. Although she reacted well to dropping the lights. The higher amount of light made her perk up quickly. She's a 10 weeker so it should work out w/ these 2 being the last to cut down.
When I dropped the lights, also took some of the bigger fan leaves.
They're now between 18"-20" off the top trellis. One more week or so of the good stretch phase. Have a feeling that 1/2,the top-trellis will come down/eliminated.
Thinking about going w/ 2 bulb T-5's between the Pro-4's next run. Thing is, I see 15 watts of LED Medium Powered Diodes being as bright or brighter then my 50w T-5 bulbs.
Still can't get a rail of diodes in UVB yet that's been tested for reliability/efficacy that I'm aware of. Maybe I should check w/ BML. As far as I know Even though they switched to Fluence, BML is still in buss. Not sure about them though. Anyone have any ideas for a led UV bar/rail style supplemental?
Plus I already have tons of HPS & T-5 all packed up to maybe never use again. Would hate to buy more just to replace it w/ led again soon as reliable UV lights come out.
Co2 now rides between 550-700 on a timer. If I let it run constant it gets up to 900 but it kills me on tanks.
Flo: great scrog plant. Lateral branching everywhere. Its structure naturally allows light in. Starting to see purpling around the leaf edges & it has allot of purple stem. I like her.
GoGi: last one in the rotation. Didn't clone it. Lost a branch that was about 1/3 of the plant right before the flip so she's been drinking a lil slower then the rest. Had curled leaves & a few problems but she's growing out of them now. Starting to shape up.
Kings: Hearty plant, quick to root from clone, great smoke, high terps, nice stretcher that fills in a scrog well. Last run I got 1.25 # off one plant under a 1000 Hps. its now one of my favorites in the garden.
Northen Lights: not much if a stretch w/ buds forming on top of each other. Probably be a nice Cola style plant similiar to @Evil-Mobo who showed me a pretty impressive NL he grew under a CMH. Damn, what a hard plant to clone though.
SFV-OG: She also suffered from a big broken off branch but is filling in well aside from the dip in the corner. Pushed her pot right against the inside corner of the wall & let her stray away. Didn't clone her either but do have one plant of her in veg so if she does well I may keep her going.
Ace of Spades: this was a solid top bush that couldn't be opened up. Upon trying I split her in 1/2. She got taped up & is flowering through the damage fine from what I can see. My main problem w/ her was she kept trying to flower for months before she went in. So I'm a lil nervous about her herming. Because I couldn't open her up, she's only getting 1/2 of 1 Pro-4.
Here's the 2 Sweet Amnesia. They take awhile to get happy. I think she's mad @ me. She likes to have long branches flowering into big colas. I forced just the opposite onto her by bending her branches under the first net. So now her bud sites have to try to turn into their own lil colas. Although she reacted well to dropping the lights. The higher amount of light made her perk up quickly. She's a 10 weeker so it should work out w/ these 2 being the last to cut down. When I dropped the lights, also took some of the bigger fan leaves.They're now between 18"-20" off the top trellis. One more week or so of the good stretch phase. Have a feeling that 1/2,the top-trellis will come down/eliminated.
Thinking about going w/ 2 bulb T-5's between the Pro-4's next run. Thing is, I see 15 watts of LED Medium Powered Diodes being as bright or brighter then my 50w T-5 bulbs.Still can't get a rail of diodes in UVB yet that's been tested for reliability/efficacy that I'm aware of. Maybe I should check w/ BML. As far as I know Even though they switched to Fluence, BML is still in buss. Not sure about them though. Anyone have any ideas for a led UV bar/rail style supplemental?
Plus I already have tons of HPS & T-5 all packed up to maybe never use again. Would hate to buy more just to replace it w/ led again soon as reliable UV lights come out.
Co2 now rides between 550-700 on a timer. If I let it run constant it gets up to 900 but it kills me on tanks.
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born2grow1
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There is 4 plant the one in back right corner is the one that giving me trouble. I'm notill pot this round no nutes other than foliar spray which did last night with sea weed extract for the potassium they green up a little bit since then. I'm going to top dress with some high fungi compost that been cooking for awhile.
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Evil-Mobo
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Looking good @Hybridway. Your NL pheno looks like the one I grew. Watch all the fat colas start to pop out now as flowering progresses. She will surprise you if you give her the TLC she wants. Make sure to stay on top of watering when she starts to fatten up.
Rundskop
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The Nichia NCSU033B at 365nm is $100+, but there's also a few 390-400nm diodes for $5 - $20. Some come solderless. A T5 UV bulb would be nice as well, and convenient by the sounds of your current equipment.
Damn, half your leaves look at bit worn out and droopy. Do you know what has caused that?
I don't know about you, but I'd be worried as hell if my plants look like that!.
Hey just curious on your pot size as they look massive! a bit overkill maybe?
Looking forward to the results though.
I don't know about you, but I'd be worried as hell if my plants look like that!.
Hey just curious on your pot size as they look massive! a bit overkill maybe?
Looking forward to the results though.
Hybridway
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Looking good! Gonna be another full tent for you. How far into flower do you foliar feed? You all organic? Impressive stuff!
Thnx bro! Yeah, that NL looks to be a big cola plant. Very lil stretch n nodes/buds close to each other. What a tough plant to clone though. Got one planted but the other 2 have such a small amount of roots, don't know if they'll make it. That strain finishes fast right? Like 45 dayer or something like that.
Thanks for letting me know. I'll check into them. If I did find a UV led I'd want it to be a bar pre-made from a company. A Floro T-5 would have a better spread then an led bar I think, dunno. I'm just not sure about led UV. Kindve like the idea of full spectrum UV like the Hortrilux Power Veg UV bulb. But I heard they suck for a UV supplement on flower. The real UV bulbs can cause damage if ones not careful I hear. Gotta be a good middle ground in a bulb somewhere. I'll look into those Nichia ones though. Thnx!
Yeah, some of the leaves are pretty beat up on certain plants. Fan placement was or is an issue still. So there's significant wind-burn on some. Aside from that the 1st plant on the Left called Sweet Amnesia took a hit on a new Microbial nute & just hasn't been right from since. She's a weird plant too. Doesn't really perk up until wk 3-4 I notice from the kastvrun under HPS. As far as the rest go, i'd say the leaves are in decent health. A yellow one here n there is perfectly normal, especially in a scrog where it's not always easy to pick dead.
Also, I did my best to pull allot the big-Leaf (huge Fan Leaves) Those big ass leaves do make the plant look so happy, healthy, & vigorous though.
I'm pretty happy w/ how these plants look after all they went through to get here. No offense but If you followed the thread you'd know most of the answers to your questions there & from the previous thread. Just gets annoying when someone looks for the bad in something to open a repetitive can of worms.
One question I had though was about you being worried if your plants looked like that?
Curiously I have to ask. What would you do if your plants weren't to your expectations but yet had to start flower? Worrying to what extent? Things to worry about are much worse then a thirsty plant. Which they all were when I took these photos. They got one flush after the 1 Nute Issue & minor picking off crappy leaves.
Aside from leaf talk, I must say, I feel at least 5 days ahead of bud formation. Maybe it's just in my head but it seems to be a substantial amount. I tried a bottle of Bud-Ignitor by AN. I swear it works. Was using Heavy-16 Fire. I'll try to get you some better pictures tonight & I can then explain what happened to each leaf problem there may be. Very little.
This is just a different kindve way to run a scrog. It leaves the usually shadowed weeker center open & exposed to high output light. Most Poeple don't take 2-3' long branches & have them pride open 90• to fit under a 3' tall scrog (1st trellis) That eliminates all colas just about and gets light to the whole plant. Making bud sites stand vertical & create more smaller buds. Now, had I done that then gave them 10 days to fill in, then we'd be looking at some pretty plants. But w/ this run, I had to throw em under the net n hit the switch.
Also, don't know if you saw the veg conditions of these plants throughout their life. They're lucky to be alive.
The pot sizes are included in the Intro. 2 10's went to 2 massive plants. They needed it. The rest are 7's & a 5 gall. They're definite the right sizes to plant ratio. All dry every 2 days. Gotta feed now! I'll try not to be to worried.
Thnx for your concern though.
ThaMagnificent
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Veg +bloom all day. All in one solution. Just mix it up until you get to your ppm! I also throw in their flower booster
born2grow1
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Thanks man really trying to dial this strain she's a finicky pheno. I foliar spray until usually week 4 really light mist I try to get just under the leaves. I am all organic in notill pots have around 30 worms in each 7 gallon pot. Easiest way to grow man its all in the dirt worms just help aeriate dirt and keeping system going. I use cover crop,coconut and aloe water with all kinds of teas with a Lil top dress here and there foliar spray if needed. Other than that just water.
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Hybridway
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You be killin it on the organic tip! Good work!
ThaMagnificent
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Found a guy dealing 4 Neosols 2x4 for $750. Should I bite?
Hybridway
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Which series Neosols? Which spectrum? If it's 750 for all 4 I'd buy them know matter which spectrum it was as long as they're on working order. 520 watter? Illumitex uses good parts. 750 each, no I wouldn't. 750 for all 4, yes o would.
ThaMagnificent
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He said 750 each and it's the one that equivalent to the 1000w. Used for about a year
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Hybridway
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F3 spectrum burple? You could run it down the middle w/ your Pro-3's around it. Personally, I wouldn't.