Is neon brand butane safe to use for extractions?

[smokermore]

my box of butane just came in today that I ordered off eBay.
I noticed it says on the side "not intended to be used for any form of extractions."
Figured I'd post it here first and see what y'all think.

 

[gwpharms]

Thats just because no butane should be used to extract essential oils that you plan to smoke. The fda didn't approve butane hash oil. That warning is just the manufacturer covering their ass by blatantly saying your an idiot if you smoke anything extracted with their product but they will gladly sell it to you by the case if you are that dumb. Its marketed to you as an extraction solvent. Nobody buys a case of butane for their lighters nor cares about how many times refined their lighter fluid is.

Theres a hundred other ways to extract cannabis concentrates. Many of them using no solvent or just water.

 

[OldMedUser]

The criminal organization, FDA, didn't approve it so don't use it? Really.

They put that on the label to cover their own asses @smokermore but no one needs 5x refined butane for their camp stoves so it's obvious they make it for extractions and it'll be a lot cleaner than the regular, cheaper stuff that is intended for camp stoves.

I have a half-dozen cans of 9x that I'll be using for my next batch. I use simple distillation to reuse the butane when I do mine so I can get a lot more pot processed than just evaporating it off. Same with ISO and other solvents. More into making infused coconut oil these days than BHO.

Read up on how to use butane safely before using it. Gives those of us who know what we're doing a bad name when some rookie blows up the neighbourhood.

 

[gwpharms]

The criminal organization, FDA, didn't approve it so don't use it? Really. View attachment 3879948

Why isnt that fda approval is the white flag you wave to reassure yourselfs that bho is safe? Its what the tek was built on and how people were convinced that blasting butane through cannabis in a tube isn't as ridiculous as it sounds. Its all there in one convenient easy to read page. We would not have bho today if not for some marketing genious adopting that approval and placing it on cannabis concentrates. In fact, im sure by us even mentioning fda and bho , the spr liason will come riding in like a knight to the call waving said flag to reassure us all that the fda says butane is safe.
Why it says right there, extraction of botanicals, soaps perfumes etc so that must mean its safe to smoke it too, right ? Who cares buy more butane. The gas company says its ok. Its so clean they had to distill it 12 times.
and for some reason there must be an urban legend that butane is used in whipped cream cans because people keep asking me. I guess they have nitris oxide and propane mixed up somehow.
Im sorry sarcasm does not convey well on here. But you are right the fda says lots of ridiculous things are ok for us to be exposed to. Theres whole websites dedicated to it. They are one of the most famously compromised organizations we have in the usa. Fortunately fda is not our only sanctioning body.

 

[Fadedawg]

The FDA lists butane as GRAS, or generally regarded as safe, and even uses it as a food propellent. https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2012-title21-vol3/pdf/CFR-2012-title21-vol3-sec184-1165.pdf

Neon compares to its competitors as follows:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6099306&postcount=28

To your question, I would recommend predistilling the Neon to remove the mystery oil before extracting with it.

https://skunkpharmresearch.com/vacuum-distilling-butane/

 

[chemphlegm]

I thought "5x filtered" means mechanical filtration, for non clogging use is lighters and stoves.

nbutane is sold in cans now, dont know the details, but spending 8 bucks on a can makes me feel safer than spending 4 bucks on one. lol

 

[chemphlegm]

whip it? is nitrous oxide used with/to/for cannabis extractions? well, you know what I mean....
I've made medicated whipped cream in my whippet dispenser, was a blast.

 

[gwpharms]

No. Nitrogen can be used in or for extraction. But not the dioxide.
Whip it is just a brand name that is familiar sounding to most people. Its just clever marketing. Aparantly nobody trade marked and copy wrote "whip it" back in the 70's. niris oxide was used in foods as a propellent to push heavy oil molecules out of an areosol can. Its hard to find it in foods now days because manufacturers switched formulations to curb abuse of nitris by young people.
No food products are or ever were extracted with butane and no food products are propelled by butane any more because its just stupid. There is many safer and better ways. Same goes for extraxting cannabis

 

[Fadedawg]

whip it? is nitrous oxide used with/to/for cannabis extractions? well, you know what I mean....
I've made medicated whipped cream in my whippet dispenser, was a blast.

We've done QWET under pressure using nitrous oxide in a whippet. Unfortunately the samples didn't make it as far as the lab, so I can't tell you the empirical results, but can say it was tasty and drew a strong following.

 

[Fadedawg]

No. Nitrogen can be used in or for extraction. But not the dioxide.
Whip it is just a brand name that is familiar sounding to most people. Its just clever marketing. Aparantly nobody trade marked and copy wrote "whip it" back in the 70's. niris oxide was used in foods as a propellent to push heavy oil molecules out of an areosol can. Its hard to find it in foods now days because manufacturers switched formulations to curb abuse of nitris by young people.
No food products are or ever were extracted with butane and no food products are propelled by butane any more because its just stupid. There is many safer and better ways. Same goes for extraxting cannabis

Butane propellant was abused by huffers, leading to a search for alternatives.

 

[Flagg420]

Puretane made the mistake of advertising their product as being best for BHO.... and is now no longer allowed to sell within the U.S.

Thats why the can says that...

Get some puretane/hitman something 5-7x refined, you want the purity as high as possible, dont use cooking butane of similar, most are packed with other gasses for better burn..... we don't want it to burn, so we don't want them other chems.

 

[Observe & Report]

Open blasting of butane isn't safe, no matter what brand you use. It's very dangerous and illegal; you'll get charged under the meth lab laws and get serious prison time. Leave it to the professionals who have proper equipment and training.

If you want to do dabs or whatever, get a rosin press.

 

[MissyGoddess]

Open blasting of butane isn't safe, no matter what brand you use. It's very dangerous and illegal; you'll get charged under the meth lab laws and get serious prison time. Leave it to the professionals who have proper equipment and training.

If you want to do dabs or whatever, get a rosin press.

Have to strongly agree with this... and I am a hypocrite. Did it myself once, had success but seriously scared the shit out of me so bad I immediately trashed the equipment afterwards (not the vacuum pump but everything else including the vac chamber). I will never try that idiotic stunt again, leave it to those with the proper equipment for working with butane. I am buying a press in the next week or so.. worst case, use a hair iron and ghetto press it.

 

[gwpharms]

Butane is sooooooo clean and safe, you want to re distill it before use even though the can says its 12 x refined.


Lmao who the hell is huffing butane out of cooking oil spray? Especially you can just get a can of butane.
I was there kids. ConAgra. I was there!
Of the huge list of concerns coming from consumers, doctors, the surgeon general. People huffing pam cooking spray to get high was so far down the list it pretty much just fell off the page. Glade air fressanure was the huffing stuff that caused major concern. Not a food productt.
Words that were never spoken anywhere by anyone
"Lets go get a can of pam and get high"
Lmfao. Tell yourself whatever you need to convince you. Keep belieing everything you see on the internet because its all true

 

[Fadedawg]

Butane is sooooooo clean and safe, you want to re distill it before use even though the can says its 12 x refined.


Lmao who the hell is huffing butane out of cooking oil spray? Especially you can just get a can of butane.
I was there kids. ConAgra. I was there!
Of the huge list of concerns coming from consumers, doctors, the surgeon general. People huffing pam cooking spray to get high was so far down the list it pretty much just fell off the page. Glade air fressanure was the huffing stuff that caused major concern. Not a food productt.
Words that were never spoken anywhere by anyone
"Lets go get a can of pam and get high"
Lmfao. Tell yourself whatever you need to convince you. Keep belieing everything you see on the internet because its all true

I suppose it depended on where you're located, and I could ask the question, "Who the hell" in their right mind would be huffing either????

The number of X's on a lighter fuel can has only peripheral relationship to PPM mystery oil, in that their primary concern is not plugging a fine butane nozzle, and selling more product by a more eye catching array of X's on the label.

Serious extractors are not buying their LPG in lighter fuel cans, but certified grades by the tank, and pre-distilling it anyway to further refine it.

That makes the real question being asked, is can you use NEON or any lighter fuel safely, and the answer is that they are uncontrolled sources and even if you can today, that is no guarantee for tomorrow, so to use them safely requires the extra step of pre-distillation.

You touched on learning from the internet, which I challenge you to prove was not so in your case. I on the other hand, did the hands on research, and paid to have a third party state certified forensic lab analyze. Not just something I saw and thought I would profoundly share it as my own brain farts.

To the point of what comes out of lighter butane, here are the results of the GC/MS analysis by outside forensic lab. Note that there is nothing within its toxic limits, but I again note that those properties are not the ones that they are controlling, so may vary, when the subject is lighter fuel:

https://skunkpharmresearch.com/bho-mystery-oil/

That poses a problem for open blasters, and for any commercial blaster who employees folks are covered by OSHA, which is now the case in legalized states. Besides the added labor of loading a can at a time, even with a can tapper, the operator is exposed to hazards not present using a tank, and OSHA /NIOSH requires that you exhaust all engineering avenues to meet their standards.

Sooooo, rather than diverting the intent of this LMFOA regarding what it takes to convince me as a serious researcher, let's simply agree that it is significantly different than what it clearly takes to convince you. I'm good with that, if you are.

 

[chemphlegm]

after the few suggested "dry runs" of the tami, which produced some oil return(like the manu said) I came across your
info and distilled the nbutane before extracting. I did get some oil some of the time-mystery oil with the first distill.

I'm no scientist(as you know) and not a serious blaster either. After I distill, and there is no mystery oil appearing in my dry run(s), I've run steel ball bearings, acetone washed and dried, and extracted more oil from them than any canned butane I've played with, and more than the ntane from the gas store.
Now I wonder if this mystery oil isnt some manufacturing process/lubrication within the making of the can, or even part of the metal, not necessarily added, but maybe the skins of the metal are lubricated somewhere(?) before processed, or the tip has a dot of lube before its pressed in at the factory etc??. my clean ball bearings have oil in them, so thats where I got curious.

thanks for any insight on this one.

 

[Fadedawg]

after the few suggested "dry runs" of the tami, which produced some oil return(like the manu said) I came across your
info and distilled the nbutane before extracting. I did get some oil some of the time-mystery oil with the first distill.

I'm no scientist(as you know) and not a serious blaster either. After I distill, and there is no mystery oil appearing in my dry run(s), I've run steel ball bearings, acetone washed and dried, and extracted more oil from them than any canned butane I've played with, and more than the ntane from the gas store.
Now I wonder if this mystery oil isnt some manufacturing process/lubrication within the making of the can, or even part of the metal, not necessarily added, but maybe the skins of the metal are lubricated somewhere(?) before processed, or the tip has a dot of lube before its pressed in at the factory etc??. my clean ball bearings have oil in them, so thats where I got curious.

thanks for any insight on this one.

That rumor abounds, but no, it extremely clear what was in it. Primarily what is being removed is C-5 in the low PPM through about C-18 in the PPB range. Not to forget that the alkanes are all solvents to each other, so they also form azeotropes.

 

[chemphlegm]

to be more clear; I wouldve never thought to put ball bearings in the tami, but was instructed to.
when I distill mystery oil results. I always distill a new charge. after initial distillation I see no more mystery oil using this same charge.
When I extract new washed ball bearings with the already distilled nbutane
mystery oil results on the first ball bearing run but not subsequent extractions with the same distilled N butane.

where is this oil originating?
thanks again, very informative

 

[Fadedawg]

LPG comes from crude oil. They boil it off the crude, before cracking the rest into various alkanes and alkenes.

The LPG is primarily C-3 (propane) and C-4 (butane), but as they also act as a solvent for the C-5 through C-N, they will form azeotropes with them and small quantities will be present in the LPG.

At the parts per billionth level, there are also various green alligators and long necked geese that were present in the crude oil, like sulfur and organic compounds.

 

[cookie master]

I had tablespoons of mystery oil from a bvv iso distillation