ShLUbY's Garden
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DonBrennon
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Are you using the blumats on these?
The run I've currently got in the flowering room is 13 plants, 9 in 12 Gal fabrics, 4 in 20 Gal plastic containers. Because they're all different plants from seed it's impossible to say which are doing better, but one difference that really stands out is the amount of water needed. The 'fab's' need a gallon of water every 2 days, the 'plastics' a gallon every 4 days.
I think the 10 gal fabric will win if you use the blumats. I think that extra 3 gal of root space will make all the difference, even on an 8 week strain.
ShLUbY
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Yeah theyll have blumats when they go into flower. I wont have the funds to outfit the veg room with them for a couple more weeks.
ive found a good layer of rice hulls for mulch has helped even out the moisture in the fabrics and cut down on the water a little bit. Honestly though i think the extra water fabrics require due to evaporation from all sides of the container promotes more cec in the soil as things are in solution more often.
I kinda hope the 10 gal fabric doesnt win just cause thats a lot of extra soil lol. But it's gonna be a fun ride
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iHearAll
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ShLUbY
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nah wasn't me showing those, i think it was @Kind Sir that posted the link????? i could be wrong. I didn't get time to watch the link but I'm gonna check it out, i think i remember where it was posted.
haha thanks for the compliment mang, the cartoon meme gave me a good laugh
iHearAll
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hmmm, ill hunt it down, its gotta be in my content pagenah wasn't me showing those, i think it was @Kind Sir that posted the link????? i could be wrong. I didn't get time to watch the link but I'm gonna check it out, i think i remember where it was posted.
haha thanks for the compliment mang, the cartoon meme gave me a good laugh
ShLUbY
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iHearAll
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yea exactly the video i was looking for. maybe im about to mess up some plants lol. mine looks a wee bit different.
ShLUbY
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hey, biology is about experimentation so why not give it a go! I just watched the vid. Seems interesting. I might try it with a little guy; let a clone peak out in a quart starter (i just happen to have one extra clone this round). if it grows super fast compared to normal practices, move it to like a 2 gal at the biggest and just see what it does in flower like that. I wouldn't ever risk one full scale trial in a quadrant with something like that lol. Maybe i'll try it out with you!
iHearAll
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idk about the dudes version where the pump is on 24/7 and the soil is always wet. ive got worms wriggling around in my pot and would hate to drown them and risk water logging the roots too. so im only adding a little water and letting the aerated water wick into the soil then when i see its in ill turn the pump off. i guess if i can find some water sensors i could do it automated with a little microcontroller help. but no reason to right now.
calliandra
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ah shluby, thank you for the tour!
I see that between your, iHearAll's and DonBrennon's gardens, I will have enough eyecandy and food for thought to keep me happy until I've rebuilt my own!
That Confidential Cheese, what amazing coloring! Though for the life of me I can't imagine weed smelling/tasting of cheese haha
The hulls look great in there, yours are barley and rice if I understood correctly?
Though I once did a translation of some research on rice hulls used as building insulation - which is about longterm stability and indestructibility (fire, fungi, bugs) besides thermal and acoustic insulation. The results were pretty much the same across grains, except that some spelts have little hooks on them that make for more even distribution of wall fillings... yes I know, I digress
So maybe it doesn't really matter what grain the spelts come from for our aeration...
I'm betting on the 10g pot, sorry lol
Just based on my tiny but very impressive experience with pot sizes. Though the 7g fabric would be my 2nd bet
Really looking forward to this!
A question regarding the aloe:
I saw you have a few dried up leaves in there - when theydry up from the tip, that's just normal aging, yes? And not a sign of anything going wrong?
I'm having trouble getting a feel for this plant, never sure whether I should be watering more, or less, no matter how much I try to envision the weather in a semi-arid landscape lol
So in what intervals and amounts do you water yours? I'm torn back and forth between the images of morning dew (= water often, very little) and rainstorms (water seldom, drenching).
Also, how long does it take for yours to recover after transplant?
I separated mine 6 weeks ago, and they're only starting to grow new leaves now, while it looks like the older ones on the pups are all going to die
Oh, here they are
Cheers!
I see that between your, iHearAll's and DonBrennon's gardens, I will have enough eyecandy and food for thought to keep me happy until I've rebuilt my own!
That Confidential Cheese, what amazing coloring! Though for the life of me I can't imagine weed smelling/tasting of cheese haha
The hulls look great in there, yours are barley and rice if I understood correctly?
Though I once did a translation of some research on rice hulls used as building insulation - which is about longterm stability and indestructibility (fire, fungi, bugs) besides thermal and acoustic insulation. The results were pretty much the same across grains, except that some spelts have little hooks on them that make for more even distribution of wall fillings... yes I know, I digress
So maybe it doesn't really matter what grain the spelts come from for our aeration...
I'm betting on the 10g pot, sorry lol
Just based on my tiny but very impressive experience with pot sizes. Though the 7g fabric would be my 2nd bet
Really looking forward to this!
A question regarding the aloe:
I saw you have a few dried up leaves in there - when theydry up from the tip, that's just normal aging, yes? And not a sign of anything going wrong?
I'm having trouble getting a feel for this plant, never sure whether I should be watering more, or less, no matter how much I try to envision the weather in a semi-arid landscape lol
So in what intervals and amounts do you water yours? I'm torn back and forth between the images of morning dew (= water often, very little) and rainstorms (water seldom, drenching).
Also, how long does it take for yours to recover after transplant?
I separated mine 6 weeks ago, and they're only starting to grow new leaves now, while it looks like the older ones on the pups are all going to die
Oh, here they are
Cheers!
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DonBrennon
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Sorry to butt in here @ShLUbY , but let the soil dry out totally between watering, they really do seem to prefer it this way. Plus if you're getting short of plants, give em an AACT, pups usually appear within a few days and the main plant seems to swell up.ah shluby, thank you for the tour!
I see that between your, iHearAll's and DonBrennon's gardens, I will have enough eyecandy and food for thought to keep me happy until I've rebuilt my own!
That Confidential Cheese, what amazing coloring! Though for the life of me I can't imagine weed smelling/tasting of cheese haha
The hulls look great in there, yours are barley and rice if I understood correctly?
Though I once did a translation of some research on rice hulls used as building insulation - which is about longterm stability and indestructibility (fire, fungi, bugs) besides thermal and acoustic insulation. The results were pretty much the same across grains, except that some spelts have little hooks on them that make for more even distribution of wall fillings... yes I know, I digress
So maybe it doesn't really matter what grain the spelts come from for our aeration...
I'm betting on the 10g pot, sorry lol
Just based on my tiny but very impressive experience with pot sizes. Though the 7g fabric would be my 2nd bet
Really looking forward to this!
A question regarding the aloe:
I saw you have a few dried up leaves in there - when theydry up from the tip, that's just normal aging, yes? And not a sign of anything going wrong?
I'm having trouble getting a feel for this plant, never sure whether I should be watering more, or less, no matter how much I try to envision the weather in a semi-arid landscape lol
So in what intervals and amounts do you water yours? I'm torn back and forth between the images of morning dew (= water often, very little) and rainstorms (water seldom, drenching).
Also, how long does it take for yours to recover after transplant?
I separated mine 6 weeks ago, and they're only starting to grow new leaves now, while it looks like the older ones on the pups are all going to die
Oh, here they are
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Cheers!
ShLUbY
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Yeah i typically let them dry up pretty before watering. The ones with the funny leaves were pups i transplanted a couple weeks ago. Like you (@calliandra ) they seem to take a while to strengthen up for me and start putting on new growth. I read online when you take the pups from a mature container to let them dry for a few days before putting in a fairly dry, well aerated soil.
I took a bunch of pups outside last year in small containters, put them in a spot that didnt get much direct sunlight at all, and ignored them for a long time. After a couple months they looked amazing! Go figure.
The con cheese is so pretty isnt it???!!! Doesnt have much of the cheese smell at all though (i dont think cheese cannabis strains resemble cheese at all lol) but this one must have a lot more of the la confidential characteristics for odor than the cheese.
Thanks @DonBrennon for the aloe tips. I feel like i have a lot to learn with this species still.
I took a bunch of pups outside last year in small containters, put them in a spot that didnt get much direct sunlight at all, and ignored them for a long time. After a couple months they looked amazing! Go figure.
The con cheese is so pretty isnt it???!!! Doesnt have much of the cheese smell at all though (i dont think cheese cannabis strains resemble cheese at all lol) but this one must have a lot more of the la confidential characteristics for odor than the cheese.
Thanks @DonBrennon for the aloe tips. I feel like i have a lot to learn with this species still.
calliandra
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Ah thanks for the ressurance, guys! I'll make sure they dry out completely from now on
Yeah I had read that about taking pups too, maybe that's what made it so bad on mine: in the end, I couldn't resist watering them in anyway.
Hm and I really must grow some cheesy strain soon, so I can get that raclette smell out of my nose every time one of those pops up in someone's garden
Yeah I had read that about taking pups too, maybe that's what made it so bad on mine: in the end, I couldn't resist watering them in anyway.
Hm and I really must grow some cheesy strain soon, so I can get that raclette smell out of my nose every time one of those pops up in someone's garden
ShLUbY
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Where is the Potassium?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Ok so coots mix is working great, and I'm so happy I've switched to organics. Plants look beautiful, but i'm noticing that my yields should be better, and i have seen some small evidence of P and K def getting late in flower. Upon checking out my amendments I discovered there is very little K in the mix....
Neem Seeds Meal 6-01-2
Fishbone Meal 3-16-0
Crab Meal (DTE) 4-03-0
Insect Frass 2-02-2
Kelp 0-00-1
Alfalfa Meal 2.5-0.5-2.5
and the usual: gypsum, cal-phos, rock dusts, oyster shell
is it just me or is there minimal K in this mix? So I have this product http://organicallydone.com/products/Bloom-Boost/ and i'm going to follow the package recomendations and see if i get an increase in yield. 1 tbsp mixed into the soil at transplant (the containers they'll be flowering in); 1-2 tbsp topdress at the beginning of flower; 1-2 tbsp at 3 weeks into flower. I'll probably start on the 1tbsp side of things and see how it goes.
dont get me wrong, i'm not looking for hydro production here or anything, but I def think there is room for improvement as far as quantity goes. the quality.... well that has never been the issue since i started organics
I mean before i switch to organics i was using Age Old "organics" with a peat/coco/perlite/EWC mix and crushing it ~ 1 - 1.5lbs dry per 600; when i had the "ah ha" moment with that method, my production was insane....
So i have 4 x gorilla glue that will be my next run going in after the con cheese and i'm going to do 2 controls and 2 variables with the potassium boost. i'll use the same size container for all of them, and same soil except for 2 of them i'll use the K boost and see what really happens.
Ok so coots mix is working great, and I'm so happy I've switched to organics. Plants look beautiful, but i'm noticing that my yields should be better, and i have seen some small evidence of P and K def getting late in flower. Upon checking out my amendments I discovered there is very little K in the mix....
Neem Seeds Meal 6-01-2
Fishbone Meal 3-16-0
Crab Meal (DTE) 4-03-0
Insect Frass 2-02-2
Kelp 0-00-1
Alfalfa Meal 2.5-0.5-2.5
and the usual: gypsum, cal-phos, rock dusts, oyster shell
is it just me or is there minimal K in this mix? So I have this product http://organicallydone.com/products/Bloom-Boost/ and i'm going to follow the package recomendations and see if i get an increase in yield. 1 tbsp mixed into the soil at transplant (the containers they'll be flowering in); 1-2 tbsp topdress at the beginning of flower; 1-2 tbsp at 3 weeks into flower. I'll probably start on the 1tbsp side of things and see how it goes.
dont get me wrong, i'm not looking for hydro production here or anything, but I def think there is room for improvement as far as quantity goes. the quality.... well that has never been the issue since i started organics
I mean before i switch to organics i was using Age Old "organics" with a peat/coco/perlite/EWC mix and crushing it ~ 1 - 1.5lbs dry per 600; when i had the "ah ha" moment with that method, my production was insane....
So i have 4 x gorilla glue that will be my next run going in after the con cheese and i'm going to do 2 controls and 2 variables with the potassium boost. i'll use the same size container for all of them, and same soil except for 2 of them i'll use the K boost and see what really happens.
iHearAll
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organics just plain wont yeild like a tuned hydro unless its grown for a month or two longer. You could have stood to supplement K via potash and made kelp tea every so often. If you go the microbe route, fruits and veggies tend to have alot of K in them.Where is the Potassium?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Ok so coots mix is working great, and I'm so happy I've switched to organics. Plants look beautiful, but i'm noticing that my yields should be better, and i have seen some small evidence of P and K def getting late in flower. Upon checking out my amendments I discovered there is very little K in the mix....
Neem Seeds Meal 6-01-2
Fishbone Meal 3-16-0
Crab Meal (DTE) 4-03-0
Insect Frass 2-02-2
Kelp 0-00-1
Alfalfa Meal 2.5-0.5-2.5
and the usual: gypsum, cal-phos, rock dusts, oyster shell
is it just me or is there minimal K in this mix? So I have this product http://organicallydone.com/products/Bloom-Boost/ and i'm going to follow the package recomendations and see if i get an increase in yield. 1 tbsp mixed into the soil at transplant (the containers they'll be flowering in); 1-2 tbsp topdress at the beginning of flower; 1-2 tbsp at 3 weeks into flower. I'll probably start on the 1tbsp side of things and see how it goes.
dont get me wrong, i'm not looking for hydro production here or anything, but I def think there is room for improvement as far as quantity goes. the quality.... well that has never been the issue since i started organics
I mean before i switch to organics i was using Age Old "organics" with a peat/coco/perlite/EWC mix and crushing it ~ 1 - 1.5lbs dry per 600; when i had the "ah ha" moment with that method, my production was insane....
So i have 4 x gorilla glue that will be my next run going in after the con cheese and i'm going to do 2 controls and 2 variables with the potassium boost. i'll use the same size container for all of them, and same soil except for 2 of them i'll use the K boost and see what really happens.
ShLUbY
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exactly, i'm not looking for hydro numbers.... but i'm definitely looking for a little more than what has been happening. I'm still new to the organics game, so I have a lot of experimenting and definitely a lot of learning to do. The only way to come up with answers is to do trials! So that's the road I'm heading down.
For very little extra effort by using that K boost product, i'll see if it really is the answer! I will also be mixing it with fishbone meal when I apply the topdress, and figure out the ratio by weight I should be using. my old flower product was a 5-10-10 so i'm gonna try and get the ratios right of fishbone meal to K boost @ roughly 2:1 by weight. so whatever the weight of one tbsp of K boost is, i'll do double that with fishbone meal. this will create that 1:1 ratio. Im confident the soil mix has enough N to go the entire ride so i don't think i'll be trying to mess with that at all.
Also, from what i've been reading... I think i'm going to stop purchasing the DTE products.... they just seem to be of a lower quality than some of the other choices available....
iHearAll
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is that for a class?