ppm and soil-sorry really quick question

jd1987

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just really fast-ive been reading about ppm and what not and im just making sure that you have to watch that and supply the nutes when using soil-or is it just for hydropoics

and if i need it for soil i was planning on just getting foxfarm supplies (growbig and whatever else is needed) - good plan or what? im a first time grower and they are just now sprouting out - im pumped - but need a little help

thanks
 

bonz

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ppm has nothing to do with soil realy. it is for the nute mixes.
dont nute them till you get your 4th node, that is considered week 1. the week prior you can feed them a 1/8 nute mix of whatever your veg nute is, then when it actualy hits week 1 you can give 1/4. then follow directions.
be carefull using fox farms is has a high n/p/k level, noobs tend to burn. less is always better.
if you like i have a feed schedule i can send you for fox farm.
 

BigBudBalls

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ppm has nothing to do with soil realy. it is for the nute mixes.
dont nute them till you get your 4th node, that is considered week 1. the week prior you can feed them a 1/8 nute mix of whatever your veg nute is, then when it actualy hits week 1 you can give 1/4. then follow directions.
be carefull using fox farms is has a high n/p/k level, noobs tend to burn. less is always better.
if you like i have a feed schedule i can send you for fox farm.
If he has a ppm meter its not a bad idea to measure it anyways for consistency. (also measure the plain water for a baseline) But no reason to buy one. I got a tri meter for my pH just incase I wanted to go hydro, I was set and it wasn't much more. (but I dig dirt :) )

Funny thing about the FF schedule. Read the bottle, then the sched, and the sched is 1/2 dose of the bottle label. So when people say use a 1/2 dose, is that 1/2 of the bottle or sched?
 

jd1987

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ppm has nothing to do with soil realy. it is for the nute mixes.
dont nute them till you get your 4th node, that is considered week 1. the week prior you can feed them a 1/8 nute mix of whatever your veg nute is, then when it actualy hits week 1 you can give 1/4. then follow directions.
be carefull using fox farms is has a high n/p/k level, noobs tend to burn. less is always better.
if you like i have a feed schedule i can send you for fox farm.

ok thanks-and yes that schedule would be great man

another thing - where can i pick up a ph kit? i was just at home depot and they didnt have anything really helpful-can i get something cheap that gives me ph and ppm? anyone recommend anything for a first time grow?

thanks for the help
 

jd1987

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another thing-just to get straight-im looking at meters on ebay - and what i need to do is get my water and add nutes to it and get my solution and then test the ph and then water plant right? and then ph is good? or do i need a soil meter to ph the soil and so on?
 

BigBudBalls

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another thing-just to get straight-im looking at meters on ebay - and what i need to do is get my water and add nutes to it and get my solution and then test the ph and then water plant right? and then ph is good? or do i need a soil meter to ph the soil and so on?
You wanna measure the water. Both in and out.
Those $5 soil pH testers are junk; always read 7.0 Measure the water.
 

bonz

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week 1 is at 4th node.


FOX FARMS FEEDING SCHEDULES


WEEKLY FEEDING- per Gallon
Sprouting and week 1--BigBloom 2TBS
week 2-- 2tsp Grow Big + 2TBS Big Bloom
Week 3--3tsp Grow Big + 2TBS Big Bloom
Week 4--JUST 3 tspGrow Big + 1/4 tsp Open Sesame
Week 5 same as week 4 unless going 12/12--

Week 5- OR--day 1 of 12/12-- 2 tsp Tiger Bloom +1TBS Big Bloom + 1/2 tsp Open Sesame
Week 6--same as above
Week 7-- 2 Tsp Grow Big + 2 tsp Tiger Bloom +1TBS Big Bloom + 1/4 tsp Beastie Bloom
Week 8-- 2Tsp Grow Big + 2 tsp Tiger Bloom +1TBS Big Bloom + 1/2 tsp Beastie Bloom
Week 9-- 2 tsp Tiger Bloom +1TBS Big Bloom + 1/4 tsp Cha Ching
week 10-- Same as above
Week 11--2 tsp Tiger Bloom +1TBS Big Bloom + 1/2 tsp Cha Ching


At beginning of week 11--Check Trichomes-- Flush if ready.. otherwise, continue as with week 11 every week until you flush!


Also recomended--but not a nessesity--
Bush Doctor Sledgehammer (prevents lock-out)
use 2 drops per gallon of water between feedings starting in week 4 of 12/12



PHASIC SHEDULE: (per gallon)
(follow this for bubblers, OR you can use these amounts when watering in soilbut is not as good as the weekly schedule for soil!)

New Clones, or when seedlings get 3 sets of leaves- 1tsp Grow Big + 2tsp Big Bloom
Week 3 of veg (unless going 12/12) ADD 1tsp Grow big + 2 tsp Big Bloom
4 Days Before going 12/12- Add ¼ tsp Open Sesame
Day 1 of 12/12 Drain Reservoir & refill. Add 2 tsp Tiger Bloom + 1TBS Big Bloom + ½ tsp Open Sesame
Week 3 of 12/12Add ¼ tsp Beastie Bloom
Week 5 of 12/12Drain and refill reservoir Add 2 tsp Grow Big + 1 tsp Tiger bloom + 1 TBS Big Bloom + ¼ tsp Cha ching
3-5 Days Before harvest-- Drain and refill reservoir add 2 drops Sledgehammer


keep the res filled in between feedings with ph adjusted water--



The reasonFox Farms doesn't list nutes for weeks 2 & 4 is that it ASSUMES your res won't go down, so you won't NEED any additional nutes (if your res stays full- great!)..
but if the plants are pretty big, or the room is warm/dry-- they can need refilling up to 3-4x a week!!! The chart doesn't take that into account--
Remember-- feed AT MOST 1x each week-- only water in-between!
Use additional nutes from week one at 1/2 rate until in flower (between recomended feeds) then in flower-- for additional feeds, use the nutes from the 1st week of flower at 1/2 rate in between...again--NEVER feed more than 1x a week!

Bubblers MAY use the weekly Schedules-- BUT ONLY if you use an ec/ppm meter to keep the levels where they should be....
an ec around 1.2-1.5 in veg.. then 1.5 -1.7 in flower unlitt the last 2-3 weeks... then can go as high as 2.0. Watch yor plants! they'll tell you if you are over/under feeding!
 

Phinxter

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Hey BBB you say ph should be taken of water in and drainage water ... what are we looking for in the drainage water as far as PH and what can we do to corrct if something is wrong ... and what would be wrong as far as run off PH ?
 

BigBudBalls

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Hey BBB you say ph should be taken of water in and drainage water ... what are we looking for in the drainage water as far as PH and what can we do to corrct if something is wrong ... and what would be wrong as far as run off PH ?
I only started measuring the drainage water. Some surprising results and I will do a post on it when I have all the data.

I feel you should stabilize the soil's pH before planting in it.
If the drainage water pH is low add dolomite lime.
(forgot what to add if high, but thats kinda rare)

Flushing should help if the plant is already in the pot. Give it a heavy flushing and let it dry out (like until it wilts)
Then test drainage again.

I haven't tested using higher pH water in to counter lower drainage pH. I think that can work for slight diffs, say IN=6.5 OUT=5.9

I don't think you will ever completely balance it for a growing plant. Salts build up. But you should be able to balance it for virgin soil.

I also feel that using the lime for a plant after the fact isn't nearly as effective as mixing the lime into the soil to begin with.

Help ya at all?
 

bonz

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pH And Marijuana Grown In Soil

When growing marijuana in soil the pH of the soil should be between 6.5 and 7.0. When growing in containers, a single pH reading for each container is recommended. When growing outdoors in a garden, it is best to take two or three pH measurements from different areas of the garden.
If you have a large garden, you may have to adjust the pH in various parts of your garden to different levels. Check the pH once every one-two weeks.
Unlike hydroponics where the nutrient solution is in a single reservoir and only needs to be checked once, a soil garden will get its nutrients from the soil it is growing in. Even a small garden that contains a few plants may have soil that varies in pH from one area to another.
Most fertilizers cause a pH change in the soil. Adding fertilizer to the soil almost always results in a more acidic (lower) pH. As time goes on, the amount of salts produced by the breakdown of fertilizers in the soil causes the soil to become increasingly acidic and eventually the concentration of these salts in the soil will stunt the plant and cause browning out of the foliage.
Also, as the plant gets older its roots become less effective in bringing food to the leaves. To avoid the accumulation of these salts in your soil and to ensure that your plant is getting all of the food it needs, you can begin leaf feeding your plant at the age of about 1.5 months.
Dissolve the fertilizer in water (worm castings mixed with water will work well for leaf feeding) and spray the mixture directly onto the foliage. The leaves absorb the fertilizer into their veins. If you want to continue to put fertilizer into the soil as well as leaf feeding, be sure not to overdose your plants.


Adjusting pH Of Marijuana Grown In Soil

A good way to stabilize soil is to use dolomite lime (calcium-magnesium carbonate). Dolomitic lime acts slowly and continuously, so soil will remain pH stable for a few months.
Using fine size dolomite lime is important, coarser grades can take a year or longer to work. You can find fine size dolomite lime at any well stocked garden supply center.
Dolomite lime has been used by gardeners as a pH stabilizer for many years. It has a pH that is neutral (7.0). When added to soil in the correct proportions, it will stabilize soil at a pH near 7.0.
When growing in containers, add one cup of fine dolomite lime to each cubic foot of soil. Mix the dry soil thoroughly with the dolomite lime, then lightly water it. After watering, re-mix it and wait for a day or two before checking the pH. When growing in an outdoor garden, follow the dolomite lime manufacturers instructions.
Lowering soil pH: small amounts of composted leaves, cottonseed meal, or peat moss will lower the pH of soil.
Raising soil pH: small amounts of hardwood ashes or crushed oyster/egg shells will help to raise the soil pH. Hydrated lime can also be used to raise the pH of soil. In containers, use no more than 1/8 cup of hydrated lime per cubic foot of soil (per application). Mix it into warm water, then apply the water to the soil. When growing in an outdoor garden, follow the manufacturers instructions.
Wait at least a day or two before checking the pH level of soil after attempting to raise, lower or stabilize it. If adjustments still have to be made, use small amounts of whatever material you are using. Don't try to adjust the pH more than 0.1 every two days.
 
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