When We Lose Undocumented Citizens

HAF2

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I feel like I want links to all numbers posted. Part because I like to read the articles. The other part because some people won't post their links because of the source's clear racism and bias.

I don't care what people want to call it, favouring mass deportation. It's racism. If it wasn't racism people would be more interested in making the illegal immigrants citizens and taxing them properly. If it's about money that is the avenue that will garner the most money and gains for the United States. Operation "get the brown people out" is not about money, it's about how tanned a person is.

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/adding-billions-tax-dollars-paid-undocumented-immigrants

"ITEP’s estimates, and those of other researchers, should be kept in mind as policymakers debate how best to deal with the millions of undocumented immigrants who now live in the United States. In spite of their undocumented status, these immigrants—and their family members—are adding value to the U.S. economy, not only as taxpayers, but as workers, consumers, and entrepreneurs as well. If they had legal status, they would contribute even more. On the other hand, one of the alternatives being discussed in some circles—mass deportation—would be very a costly and economically self-destructive blunder, not to mention a humanitarian catastrophe."
 

HAF2

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Did you only read the first half of that article? Or just the title?

From the same article:

Analysts on the other side of the debate, however, disagree with the math behind those numbers.

Wendy Sefsaf, a spokeswoman for the Immigration Policy Center which favors a lenient immigration policy, says that conservative analysts overestimate the costs because undocumented workers don't even qualify for unemployment or medical benefits.

At the same time, those whose jobs are paid legally – at least fifty percent, by some estimates – end up paying social security and other payroll taxes without ever collecting benefits. Since illegal immigrants are believed to constitute up to 5 percent of the U.S. economy, their tax contributions will mean a revenue windfall for legal residents.

Advocates of more lenient immigration policies also disagree with the purely fiscal approach. Simply weighing tax receipts against public spending doesn't show the full picture, they say, since illegal immigrants also create tremendous economic value.

"Illegal immigrants are good for our economy," says IPC's Sefsaf. "They make our labor force and our economy bigger. Sure, you could kick them all out, but then you would have to shrink the economy."

Sefsaf also doesn't buy the traditional argument that illegal immigrants are stealing U.S. jobs: most legal residents work in middle-rung jobs and would not want to take low-paying jobs as fruit pickers or nannies.

After weighing the financial pros against the cons, she says the U.S. economy comes out slightly ahead due to the presence of illegal aliens.
 

HAF2

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Since you refuse to read, I'll just cherry picks the best parts for you, lol.




Analysts on the other side of the debate, however, disagree with the math behind those numbers.

Wendy Sefsaf, a spokeswoman for the Immigration Policy Center which favors a lenient immigration policy, says that conservative analysts overestimate the costs because undocumented workers don't even qualify for unemployment or medical benefits.

At the same time, those whose jobs are paid legally – at least fifty percent, by some estimates – end up paying social security and other payroll taxes without ever collecting benefits. Since illegal immigrants are believed to constitute up to 5 percent of the U.S. economy, their tax contributions will mean a revenue windfall for legal residents.
Beat me to it. Same page man. I'm still thinking that member only read the title.
 

HAF2

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It's illegal immigrants, A lot of these numbers are just guessing because there are no specific all-encompassing stats.

Where are the numbers that talk about how much money it would cost to mass deport the 11 million (approx) illegals? I'd be interested in reading that. It would also just be a guess, but an educated one hopefully.
 

schuylaar

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11.6 billion Is a drop in the hat compared to what is costs us to pay to keep them here.
The annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level.
37% of Federal Prisoners are not American Citizens.
The FBI, Obama's FBI, says 80% of gang members are not American Citizens.
Try again.
Citation.
 

schuylaar

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It's illegal immigrants, A lot of these numbers are just guessing because there are no specific all-encompassing stats.

Where are the numbers that talk about how much money it would cost to mass deport the 11 million (approx) illegals? I'd be interested in reading that. It would also just be a guess, but an educated one hopefully.
Trumps said he's hiring 15,000, new ICE:

http://www.npr.org/2017/02/23/516712980/trumps-plan-to-hire-15-000-border-patrol-and-ice-agents-wont-be-easy-to-fulfill
 

schuylaar

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If there is mass deportation who WILL fill those jobs, though? What WILL happen to wages and consumer goods?

Anyone care to speculate?
 
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UncleBuck

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"Undocumented work minimum wage jobs..who's going to work them when they're gone?"

The same people who used to work those jobs. Kids and high school dropouts.
LOL

you are aware that the united farm workers have a "come take our jobs" campaign going, right?

they literally challenge all you lazy, obese, middle aged ypipo to come take their jobs. 90% end up quitting before lunch the first day.

i think a total of 7 people out of thousands actually made it through the harvest season.

https://twitter.com/Trykutt_Aren/status/836907233833271300

just stay home on your disability check and abuse your opioids. the people doing the hard work under false social security numbers will take care of you, yt.
 

fdd2blk

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LOL

you are aware that the united farm workers have a "come take our jobs" campaign going, right?

they literally challenge all you lazy, obese, middle aged ypipo to come take their jobs. 90% end up quitting before lunch the first day.

i think a total of 7 people out of thousands actually made it through the harvest season.

https://twitter.com/Trykutt_Aren/status/836907233833271300

just stay home on your disability check and abuse your opioids. the people doing the hard work under false social security numbers will take care of you, yt.

Says the white guy who sits around and grows dope for a living.
 
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