ttystikk
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You have a system that works for your situation, that's the engineering definition of success.
This gives me much to ponder in terms of commercial viability.
My 8hr flowering experiment
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This gives me much to ponder in terms of commercial viability.
torontoke
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You've been following this journal long enough sir to know that I've done everything I could to keep it legit and honest.
My results and the process that got me there is here in pictures for the haters.
My expectations were met and surpassed on my admittedly small scale.
Doc is a respected member here and I have no reason to doubt his claims or argue his results on his commercial run. No idea what the details of his grow are.
I'm sure that the idea we have floated before would work in your setup but what the results would be is a complete unknown til someone does it.
I know this journal has already gotten to long for angry bob but eventually I will have a large enough room to try it myself. So stay tuned for the long haul if u would rather wait n see.
Bakersfield
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With the reduced time to harvest I could pull an extra crop in each year.45-47 depending what it is.
That's why I was so interested in that katsu wookie nu be posted finishing in 50 under 12/12. I think with glr preflowering them through veg I could get a clone run of something like that closer to 40 days.
Again I wouldn't expect a 40day plant to appease a commercial growers clientele but it would keep me medicated
I should look into that Katsu X Wookie cross. I did grow her cousin the Katsu X 88g13/Hashplant but it was not what I was looking for, but she was a definite comatose Indica.
I have what is the earliest plant I've ever grown going at the moment. I was given a 5 pack of SCOURGE ( Girl Scout cookies x Chem 4 X SKS) from GLG. I ended up with 4 girls, 3 are typical look to run 9 weeks while 1 is almost done at 39 days. She was growing just like her sibs when it seemed like she just stopped growing and ripened over the last week.
She's a long lanky little nug(mini nug) freak that has an extremely loud sweet skunk lemon terpene profile. If she smokes as good as she smells I will Reveg and play around with her. It might make some nice early chucks or it might make garbage.
ttystikk
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I have a better idea; let's both do it!You've been following this journal long enough sir to know that I've done everything I could to keep it legit and honest.
My results and the process that got me there is here in pictures for the haters.
My expectations were met and surpassed on my admittedly small scale.
Doc is a respected member here and I have no reason to doubt his claims or argue his results on his commercial run. No idea what the details of his grow are.
I'm sure that the idea we have floated before would work in your setup but what the results would be is a complete unknown til someone does it.
I know this journal has already gotten to long for angry bob but eventually I will have a large enough room to try it myself. So stay tuned for the long haul if u would rather wait n see.
With a few variants between our approaches, and then we can both learn twice as fast.
torontoke
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I'm working on it sir and nothing would make me happier then being able to scale It up times 10.
As soon as I have a big enough area the testng will start.
Dr. Who
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For me, yeah.....I hit the wall at about 8.5 - 8 was for sure the limit I found.....I've got the rotation so fixed now, that it would be a pain to readjust for faster finish and the actions of the differing strains run.
Yet, on long running Sativa's like my Vietnamese Black....I do a reduction in lighting times by reducing the time (on) by 15 min a week from a 12/12 start (the only plant I'll give a 12/12 start to too.). I do not begin the time reduction till week 8. This will actually make that 18 week strain finish at 16. This strain was a bitch to get to finish at all for a bit. The reduction method has made her a solid finisher....
I run that strain for Christmas.....
torontoke
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Dang you're a much more patient man than I.
Wouldn't even consider running a 16-18week strain indoors myself. I'm pulling hair out trying to get consistently under 7-8weeks.
Just goes to show you the diversity in our wants and needs.
I'm glad you at least found the same results of speeding them up if only a few weeks faster. Makes my claims a lil more believable in one sense and I appreciate that we can discuss it like civilized people.
How big was the commercial run u tried and under what kind of lighting? If you don't mind me asking.
Dr. Who
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I ran it in a 30K (in bloom) building. 1K HPS, 3 strains. Ghost OG, Kosher Kush and Ex cheese..120 plants in bloom.
The com ops are now sold to a group doing the "legal" growing for disp. thing here in MI....Been doing some consulting work getting them going as they want to be online for the beginning of 2018 for the opening of the first "legal" med disp's sense Schutte took over and fucked up our disp laws.....I look at these guys and shake my head.....There is going to be the same problems as Canada is having.....
Contaminated meds, lower quality from plants harvested on a time basis or a sched. They're owned by business school idiots and not real growers....They don't give a shit about quality by harvest. It's all about the money.....Yeah I know but, I'm "helping" because they pay me a stupid amount and it spends just like every other dollar earned....I did turn them down for a full time in charge job.....I'd have to walk the first time they said to "treat the problem and harvest it anyway".......
Maybe my "problem" a year before last was not so bad....The new law making 3 legal growing levels made my already set to go buildings that were shuttered. Worth about 2.5 times what it cost me to buy and fit them out.....
I still have the new personal building we built. Projects are somewhere else.
torontoke
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Been a male chopping party in the cabinet the last couple weeks.
Having the absolute worst luck with male/female ratios lately. 5 years ago I swore that almost all seeds I bought we're feminized even if they were regular.
Now it seems like reg beans were somehow male'd.
Seriously wish more of the stuff I'm after came fem
Anyway here's a few week 2 bud shots of two females I'm looking forward to.
More cowbell
Grandpasbreath
Having the absolute worst luck with male/female ratios lately. 5 years ago I swore that almost all seeds I bought we're feminized even if they were regular.
Now it seems like reg beans were somehow male'd.
Seriously wish more of the stuff I'm after came fem
Anyway here's a few week 2 bud shots of two females I'm looking forward to.
More cowbell
Grandpasbreath
mr. childs
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what changed? as you became a great grower have you paid less attention to your technique that produced a greater f to m ratio ?
torontoke
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Lol I'm no where near a great grower sir.
I think it's always been the luck of the draw and while some things in life are on an upswing for me something has to be on a downswing.
I happen to love variety and possibilities so I tend to prefer reg seeds.
Bodhi being the breeder I've ran most the last couple years and even in other growers rooms I've been in the m/f ratio is far less then 50/50
Not complaining because the females that do show are nice but no one would be happier then me to see dank sinatra fems or ssdd fems
farmerfischer
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I'm not sure how true It is, but I read somewhere that temps during germination and during the seedling stage can influence the female/ male ratio.. I'll see if I can't find the literature on it..
torontoke
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I've read tons on the subject myself but I always come back to the simplist logical way to ignore all the myths of predetermined sex. If temps determined sex then wouldn't they all be either male or female since they were all kept relatively the same temp?
If temp colour shape smell or anything else could reliably be used then there would be a giant golden statue made for the guy that proves it. Til then you can only play the hand you're dealt
farmerfischer
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Well I'm wrong kind of.. Temp and humidity influences sex during seedling stage, like during the second and third leaves.. Tryed copying and pasteing but only the word "is" pasted.lol.. Jorge servontes ( sure I spelled his name wrong) has publishing's on this topic.
farmerfischer
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Make your own fems.. Easiest way is to over ripen your female plants by letting then go two weeks longer( if it's an eight week flowering time, go to ten weeks) by doing this some plants will throw out nanners. Use the pollen on the next run of females.
torontoke
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Again my rebuttal is still valid sir
If you have 100 seedlings in the same area and they all get the same amount of light/water/air/temp then wouldn't they all be either male or female based on the environment?
It's like saying a child's sex isn't decided til elementary school which is false without the help of a surgeon and a shrink.
I really wish I had the time space and patience to do this but as of right now I can't.
I'd really love to get into more of my own seed runs and making crosses and f2,3's
Even some fems.
Maybe once I have enough bud stockpiled I could do a few
zoic
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Sad to hear you are getting so many males. I feel rather lucky with the bag seed I have been using. I have 5 out 6 that are females. I killed the male as soon as he reared his ugly head errr... balls, LOL. Since it is just my first grow I want to keep my eye on the prize.
I am 3 weeks into flower now so good times ahead.
torontoke
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Keep a close eye out for bananas budSad to hear you are getting so many males. I feel rather lucky with the bag seed I have been using. I have 5 out 6 that are females. I killed the male as soon as he reared his ugly head errr... balls, LOL. Since it is just my first grow I want to keep my eye on the prize.
I am 3 weeks into flower now so good times ahead.
Chances are if the bag had seed it selfed and the same could happen to your bud if u don't catch them in time.
If the bud was seeded naturally through pollination it would be loaded. Imo anyway
Not knocking your gear just rather warn ya ahead of time.
Eye on the prize is a great attitude.
Guaranteed to not get lost if u can always see where you're goin.
zoic
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Thx. I appreciate the input and I have seen lots of pics of them so I am watching closely. With all the damn stretching mine did they will be hard pressed to hide. Since 3 of the Girl Scout Cookies are in there still I am sure to get some decent bud. No idea of the actual genetics but the GSC they came from was top shelf.