OrganicGorilla
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Im thinking of mixing up some of subcools super soil. My question is, once it has cooked, how long will it store for?
How long does super soil keep?
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Seemsodd
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I'm pretty sure it just gets better with time.
I've had a batch for 2 years and she's still good to go.
But on another note, soil recipes have come a long way in the past couple years I would really suggest looking past subs soil and to some of the other recipes.
Rols/no till thread is an awesome place to start.
I've had a batch for 2 years and she's still good to go.
But on another note, soil recipes have come a long way in the past couple years I would really suggest looking past subs soil and to some of the other recipes.
Rols/no till thread is an awesome place to start.
SouthCross
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If it's kept dry. It'll last indefinitely. If it's stored wet it has shelf life of about year.
SouthCross
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If it's kept dry. It'll last indefinitely. If it's stored wet it has a shelf life of about a year. The clock starts when it's activated by wetting.
DonTesla
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Soil lasts forever, once made, proof is the earth we walk on, especially, if its healthy organic soil full of beneficials and aerobic/aerated ..
May I ask what kind of ratios you are thinking?
That said, if you don't choke it out, don't over wet, don't put too little aeration in, and don't under inoculate it, it can serve you for decades and decades actually, with just gentle re-amending every once in awhile
PS
I agree about Subs recipe being a poorer, more beginner type place to learn, but @RastaRoy and @GreaseMonkeyMan, those are some good cats / sources of info for building mixes, two of my fav American buddies, and personal consultants!!
dannyboy602
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my thoughts exactly. Soil just needs to be amended with fresh microbes, minerals and manure.
Rasta Roy
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Skip the subcool recipe friend!
This recipe can be mixed and planted into right away. Involves no layering, it could be stored indefinitely as long as it's not kept in an oxygenless tub.
15% peat moss, pine bark, or coco coir
35% aeration (I prefer Perlite or rice hulls but course Sand, and pumice are other options
50% composted organic matter (this could be compost, composted cow or horse manure, worm castings, leaf mold). I prefer a combination of as many different kinds of compost I can but whatever is available to you and the best quality is what you should lean on.
Neem Seed Meal or Neem Cake 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Crab shell meal or shrimp shell meal 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Gypsum 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Langbeinite 1/4 cup per cubic foot
Kelp meal 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Alfalfa meal 1/4 cup per cubic foot
Oyster shell flour 1/4 cup per cubic foot
If you're using recycled soil or promix instead of mixing your peat or coir plus aeration, than I would leave out the oyster shell flour and just lean on the gypsum for calcium.
This recipe can be mixed and planted into right away. Involves no layering, it could be stored indefinitely as long as it's not kept in an oxygenless tub.
15% peat moss, pine bark, or coco coir
35% aeration (I prefer Perlite or rice hulls but course Sand, and pumice are other options
50% composted organic matter (this could be compost, composted cow or horse manure, worm castings, leaf mold). I prefer a combination of as many different kinds of compost I can but whatever is available to you and the best quality is what you should lean on.
Neem Seed Meal or Neem Cake 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Crab shell meal or shrimp shell meal 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Gypsum 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Langbeinite 1/4 cup per cubic foot
Kelp meal 1/2 cup per cubic foot
Alfalfa meal 1/4 cup per cubic foot
Oyster shell flour 1/4 cup per cubic foot
If you're using recycled soil or promix instead of mixing your peat or coir plus aeration, than I would leave out the oyster shell flour and just lean on the gypsum for calcium.
OrganicGorilla
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So there is no need to add guanos?
Rasta Roy
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If you're using a bagged soil like fox farm or ocean forest, then I would skip a soil recipe altogether. Plant directly into the medium, mulch with compost, working a good portion of it into the top layer. Top dress with neem seed meal, alfalfa and kelp meal when you transplant. Top dress with a couple cups of compost and 1/4 - 1/2 cup of alfalfa meal every two to three weeks.
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Rasta Roy
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You can use guanos like I just described using the alfalfa meal for top dressings, or as fertilizer teas. But you're wasting your money adding it to a soil mix. It's highly water soluble, and will be washed away after a few waterings. Its great for quick results, bad for soil mixes.
OrganicGorilla
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Thanks for the info Roy. I'm very new to supersoils and organic altogether. I will have to try your method
Rasta Roy
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No problem! It can be a lot to take in at first but once you get a base knowledge going everything will open up from there!
Check out the first two posts on my thread here: https://www.rollitup.org/t/organic-growing-an-introductory-guide.921380/
It could use an update in a couple spots but it's a nice everyman's introduction to some of the core concepts.
OrganicGorilla
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Skip the top dressing with worm castings every 2 to 3 weeks if I'm brewing wormcasting/guano tea while still topdressing with alfalfa and kelp?
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OrganicGorilla
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I checked out and read your thread. Thanks for that Roy!
Nugachino
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Organic soil is the best as far as im concerned. It's cheap and easy to make. Doesn't require chemicals to feed your plants. And can be used again and again for veggies, flowers, bushes and other stuff. You just need to add a little of what was taken by the plants after every couple runs. Oh. And what comes from it. Usually has a really nice flavor and aroma.
Rasta Roy
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I would do either the tea or the top,dressing you shouldn't need to do both!
Strain Wrecked
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It will keep forever. But you will have to take it out and mix it around. Do this every few months so the microbes can breathe.