swedsteven
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Ho yeah and the tea.
seem prety complicated to get all this stuff ill search thx rasta
seem prety complicated to get all this stuff ill search thx rasta
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Opinion on botanicare nutes?
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chemphlegm
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1) pro mix hp
2) BOTANICARE organicare fertilizer
3)success
any questions?
2) BOTANICARE organicare fertilizer
3)success
any questions?
swedsteven
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I use
Dyna gro grow 7-9-5 for flowering
Dyna gro protek from start to 4 week before harvest
Dynagro foliage pro 1ml per liter veg
Pottasium sulfate 0-0-50 50ppm week5 and 6 .
I Never go over 600 ppm with my tap water at 130 ppm
Cheese(from freedom) 900 g per 1000 watts !!! 8week flowering
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Rasta Roy
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No need for the lime, the oyster shell flour will give your calcium carbonate ph buffer and the Langbeinite will give you your magnesium...along with sulfur and potassium. If you mix your old soil and compost half and half you'll be solid. If you got worm castings making them 10-15% of your mix.
The compost tea is easy you just need a pump and an air stone.
4-6 cups of compost
Five gallons of ro or dechlorinated water
A few tbsp of molasses
Aerate for 24 hours
Then apply. You can dilute it to stretch it out if you got lots of plants to water but not necessary. You can use this as a foliar spray to prevent powdery mildew and other pests.
If you don't have a pump just water your plants with a tbsp of unsulphured molasses per gallon of water. Once every month or two. Mostly when you first plant, and when the plant has a full set of roots. You don't get the foliar feed benefit, but this will also aid in upping your microbe population.
No need to bennies, your mix is the bennies.
Neem Seed Meal causes nitrification inhibition, stopping nitrogen from turning into a gas, keeping it in your soil for longer. It helps balance out the nutrients in your soil. It also has a smell that fungus gnats hate, so its a bit of a pest preventative. Mix it in your soil to feed your plant, but you can also steep a cup of it in water and use it to get rid of gnats.
Kelp meal (dry not bottled) along with trace minerals, provides growth hormones and regulators.
Alfalfa meal is also full of growth hormones, and is a green manure. As it breaks down in the soil it creates humic and fulvic acids. These will break down the minerals in your soil into plant uptakeable form.
The crab shell meal (you can skip the shrimp shell it is harder to find, but you can exchange one for the other, whichever you can get) releases chitin into the soil as it breaks down. This is a pest preventing element that makes your plant more resistant to buggers.
The compost and worm castings are loaded with beneficial bacteria, as they break down they also release humic and fulvic acid and they become humus. Increasing your CEC over time. Making sure your soil gets better and better each time you use it.
I know your set on perlite for right now, but for future runs when you need more aeration you should check out rice hulls. They're cheaper than perlite, easier to find than they used to be (check out PBH brand), and they add silica to the soil as they break down.
If you're growing in containers that are smaller than you should and you see your girls showing any signs of trouble just top dress with more neem, castings/compost, kelp. Unless you're in like a gallon pot...then you obviously know to repot lol.
I have used enzyme stuff before. Top dressed with malted barley, SST's etc. But I don't anymore and they don't miss it. The mix provides all the things you need without the need for additions.
Rasta Roy
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Is it fun buying bottled water? Lol
Rasta Roy
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Most of its on Amazon with free shipping if you got prime. They'll last you a lot longer and stretch your dollar further though. Depending on the size of your grow.
MichiganMedGrower
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Thank you for taking the time to write all this. Super helpful post.
I disagree with your assertions against bottled nutes. They are more than cost effective and appropriate for many growers.
I still use ocean forest and pure Blend Pro Grow seed /clone to harvest. It is convenient and effective.
But i am obviously interested and you just laid out the whole thing for me. Thanks again.
chemphlegm
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OldMedUser
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GH, Botanicare and Gavita = Scotts/Mon$anto/Bayer = Evil, Nazi run corporations that you support with your dollars so they can eventually destroy you and the rest of the planet.
chemphlegm
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figured I couldnt avoid their corn or rx, fuel, plastics anyways and they promised me the best marijuanas using these dried turds and they were right! all I had to do was be responsible for all the peat moss follies and organicare does the rest.
Rasta Roy
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www.fertilizerbrokerage.com
Where farmers actually buy their shit, for a fraction of what you're paying. They (botanicare and other cannabis fert specific companies) are upcharging you and playing the middle man. And as any movie about drug dealing will show you...your goal should always be to cut out the middle man.
Rasta Roy
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No problem! I invite you to disagree, but I would suggest looking into some of the formulas (there is reverse engineered formulas online), what it costs for the base ingredients...and tell me with a straight face you aren't being ripped off. I know it sounds like a guy just trying to tell you about your shit being dick but I am really am just trying to do this for your benefit and the greater cannabis community. The agriculture community is laughing at us and the products most of us use. They know how much we are overpaying.Thank you for taking the time to write all this. Super helpful post.
I disagree with your assertions against bottled nutes. They are more than cost effective and appropriate for many growers.
I still use ocean forest and pure Blend Pro Grow seed /clone to harvest. It is convenient and effective.
But i am obviously interested and you just laid out the whole thing for me. Thanks again.
MichiganMedGrower
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I live in the farmland out here brother. I am not being ripped off. I have only a few lights going and I pay for the convenience.
The few dollars my medium and 1 bottle of nutes cost is not an issue at all. I know very well what I am choosing. Shit I studied for years before planting a seed even. So I will take my time and learn your sort of method before I even experiment on 1 different plant.
But the farmers go to the feed store. Not a website. Although I plan to check out your link.
I thought Greenhouse megastore was the preferred volume supplier.
Oh and unless you can ferment organics for solubility and immediate uptake you ain't going to be able to make pure Blend Pro. It is a fermented extract natural ingredient derived feed.
You are talking about mixing powders. Which for me is still more convenient in a ready made product like Jacks classic duo.
The savings need to be weighed with convenience and storage and such before you can make a definitive statement in my opinion.
MichiganMedGrower
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Now now. You say you use bottles in veg.
chemphlegm
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kinda works this way with everything. I'm sure I could get a half price deal buying in bulk from my supplier, but who can store a dumptruck load of chicken shit in their space, not me. I can get a dump full of peat from the local farm for cheap too but again storage issues. With 50 pounds of chicken shit used every three months I dont see any benefit to accommodating 5 years worth at one time, for a small limited plant count.
from the website= "This product is available by bulk semiload at present,"
meh
swedsteven
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You make me read so much about organic dude .
Its very interesting and look pretty simple.
(Blood meal / Alfalfa meal for N - Bone meal / rock phosphate for P - kelp meal / greensand for K and other micro
nutrients.)
Compost
Lime dolomite
1 cup of each in 40 gallon of reuse promix
My promix is to much acid its at 4.8 ph i never add dolomite before .its the 3 time i reuse it. should i add more dolomite then a cup to reach 5.5 ph in 40 gallon?
Thanx guru !!!
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swedsteven
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CART].
Product Name Quantity Unit Price Amount Delete
Down To Earth Alfalfa Meal 2-1-1 5lbs
$30.00 $30.00
Down to Earth Azomite Powder 6lbs
$25.00 $25.00
Down To Earth Crab Meal 4-3-0 5lbs
$35.00 $35.00
Down To Earth Fish Bone Meal 3-16-0 6lbs
$35.00 $35.00
Down To Earth Kelp Meal 2-0-1 5lbs
$40.00 $40.00
Down To Earth Langbeinite Sul-Po-Mag 0-0-22 5lbs
$30.00 $30.00
Down to Earth Oyster Shell 6lbs
$25.00 $25.00
Gaia Green Blood Meal 12-0-0 1.5kg
$40.00 $40.00
Organic Rock Phosphate 2kg
$20.00 $20.00
Subtotal $280.00 canadien
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$40.00 $40.00
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$40.00 $40.00
$20.00 $20.00
Subtotal $280.00 canadien
Already have the dolomite lime
Rasta Roy
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You don't need dolomite, the oyster shell flour and Langbeinite replace it and do a much better job. I would also not get the azomite, it is known for having heavy metals and the kelp will give you your trace minerals. The rock phosphate and blood meal are also unnecessary, you'll be getting plenty of nitrogen and phosphorus from your fish bone, crab shell, and alfalfa meals. And the blood meal I would really skip, its gonna give you too much N too fast and make your soil hot, preventing you from planting directly into it. I would grab some neem seed meal though as it will nicely balance the nutrients and keep nitrogen locked into your soil instead of letting it become gaseous.CART].
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Subtotal $280.00 canadien
Already have the dolomite lime
Rasta Roy
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I would do 1/2 gallon to 1 gallon of compost for every one gallon of your old promix.
Then for every 7 gallons of soil
1/2 cup of
Neem Seed Meal
Crab shell meal
Fish Bone Meal
Kelp Meal
Oyster shell flour (just this time since your ph is so down. Do 1/4 cup on later reamends)
1/4 cup of
Langbeinite
Greensand is great, 1/2 cup to a cup for every 7 gallons...once every few grows you need to add it. It lasts forever, does not break down quick at all. But it is great for soil if you got the money to add it. But it's nothing you need to break your bank for.
Worm castings can be pricey (which is why you should start vermicomposting and making your own!!) but they are totally worth it and you can just top dress your plants with a couple cups.
swedsteven
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I just order all that
Down To Earth Alfalfa Meal 2-1-1 5lbs
Down To Earth Crab Meal 4-3-0 5lbs
Down To Earth Fish Bone Meal 3-16-0 6lbs
Down To Earth Kelp Meal 2-0-1 5lbs
Down To Earth Langbeinite Sul-Po-Mag 0-0-22 5lbs
Down to Earth Oyster Shell 6lbs
Neem cake 3 lbs
Whish me luck
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