My 8hr flowering experiment

[torontoke]

I was wondering how old those plants are and how many weeks indoor before you planted them.

Bout 5 weeks
I topped them at the second node around 3weeks and gave them time to grow back out before topping them again.
Now they are bushes and should be at least 7-8' before they start to flower.
Can't really tell from the angle of the pics but the smaller ones are about 3' and the taller ones are at least 4'

 

[zoic]

Well 7-8" sounds like it should produce a healthy yield. I look forward to hearing how bountiful they are for you.

 

[torontoke]

Thanks zoic
I'll throw pics of em up as they go.

Came home to the rest of the cab being done.

Here's my lil buddy looking not so lil anymore

 

[zoic]

Man that is one beautiful dog, thanks for posting that pic. I bet a lot of people freeze in their tracks when they encounter you and your dog, LOL. Oh right, nice job on the cab, good sized buds.

 

[torontoke]

Man that is one beautiful dog, thanks for posting that pic. I bet a lot of people freeze in their tracks when they encounter you and your dog, LOL. Oh right, nice job on the cab, good sized buds.

He's an attention whore
I can't even pump gas without someone walking over to my truck and wanting to meet him.
His blue eyes are a hit with ladies lol
He's only 95lbs but a cuddly friendly guy

Cabinet produced some nice nugs this run.
I've sampled all but one and definitely regret not keeping cuts of most.
On the other hand I have one roadkill unicorn male for sure so the next round is getting hit and seeds shall flow.

 

[jpdnkstr]

Beware the groundskeeping staff, lol

Make sure they don't see you headed into the bush, or they'll start following you.

I wouldn't plant on a golf course, I thought it would be a good idea too, until I started working on one... The staff should know the place like the back of their hands, so to speak. Chances are that they'll find it, probably cruising through the woods taking a canna-break themselves!

 

[torontoke]

@ttystikk I've got a question for ya and I'm not sure how to word it or I'd throw up a thread and let everyone chime in.
When you were researching before going vertical did u find much on what the optimal plant size is? What I mean is the way that the led crew has focused in on efficiency and bang for buck but on the plant side.
Here's how the convo came up.
I was sitting around the campfire one night last week with a few folks I know and a half dozen I don't. Joints were steady circling and one guy gets preaching bout weed.
Claims his "friend" has a 40 foot container with one plant in it. Mainlined down the centre of the trailer supported by sawhorses one giant dwc res at the end. I laughed and said about a lb. Tried to explain that at some point the amount of effort the plant uses to flower buds 40 feet away from its roots has to show diminishing returns. Not to mention the obvious 6-8months veg.
More I thought about it tho I felt like an asshole because I've read a lot but can't recall ever reading if there was a guideline for efficient plant sizing.
Total garden efficiency I guess
Time/size/energy/payoff maybe too much to include into one stat line but I think a much better measure of a grower then grams per watt?

Shouldn't of had that second phatty it's not even noon

 

[zoic]

Time/size/energy/payoff

I think you could drive yourself crazy trying to analyze all that data and forming a sustainable conclusion. I think size is the key factor. I have seen pics of 14 footers (Colombian I think) that had a stem the size of my leg at the base. I expect that the stem on a 40 footer would be massive as it continues to add mass not only to support the weight but to provide more paths for feeding. I tend to believe that the plant will decide its size based on many factors, just like it does indoors. It would be interesting if you could find out how well it produces flowers in the extremities.

 

[torontoke]

I think you could drive yourself crazy trying to analyze all that data and forming a sustainable conclusion. I think size is the key factor. I have seen pics of 14 footers (Colombian I think) that had a stem the size of my leg at the base. I expect that the stem on a 40 footer would be massive as it continues to add mass not only to support the weight but to provide more paths for feeding. I tend to believe that the plant will decide its size based on many factors, just like it does indoors. It would be interesting if you could find out how well it produces flowers in the extremities.

That's not really much of a drive sir
More of a small jump

I assumed that the stalk size would have to be incredible to pump 40foot budsites but the time required to grow out such a stem must be beyond worthwhile. Time is the unpurchasable grow supply.
In the time to veg that beast I'd have done two or three crops so not so efficient or am I wrong.

 

[zoic]

I cannot say if your are wrong or not without some statistical analysis, if there is even a wrong or a right. Look at it the same as your 8 hours flowering experiment where there is no right or wrong, because it is an experiment. If I could do what this guy did I probably would, just to say look at this thing, really. The analysis of the outcome will likely determine whether or nor it was worthwhile. It is the same for me with my single LED bulb experiment. It is flowering but not likely to produce anything but popcorn buds and not even 5 grams I expect. It is unlikely I will try it again.

 

[torontoke]

I cannot say if your are wrong or not without some statistical analysis, if there is even a wrong or a right. Look at it the same as your 8 hours flowering experiment where there is no right or wrong, because it is an experiment. If I could do what this guy did I probably would, just to say look at this thing, really. The analysis of the outcome will likely determine whether or nor it was worthwhile. It is the same for me with my single LED bulb experiment. It is flowering but not likely to produce anything but popcorn buds and not even 5 grams I expect. It is unlikely I will try it again.

The 8hr experiment is actually a good comparison but I did learn that there is a light saturation level that once you go over your get diminishing return on energy used.
That was a side note to the fact that I did it to see if 8hrs would even flower.
I'm sure you could veg a plant for a year and harvest ridiculous Weight but to offset a years worth of smaller harvest I'm not sure.
Time to switch to the weak weed for me

 

[ttystikk]

@ttystikk I've got a question for ya and I'm not sure how to word it or I'd throw up a thread and let everyone chime in.
When you were researching before going vertical did u find much on what the optimal plant size is? What I mean is the way that the led crew has focused in on efficiency and bang for buck but on the plant side.
Here's how the convo came up.
I was sitting around the campfire one night last week with a few folks I know and a half dozen I don't. Joints were steady circling and one guy gets preaching bout weed.
Claims his "friend" has a 40 foot container with one plant in it. Mainlined down the centre of the trailer supported by sawhorses one giant dwc res at the end. I laughed and said about a lb. Tried to explain that at some point the amount of effort the plant uses to flower buds 40 feet away from its roots has to show diminishing returns. Not to mention the obvious 6-8months veg.
More I thought about it tho I felt like an asshole because I've read a lot but can't recall ever reading if there was a guideline for efficient plant sizing.
Total garden efficiency I guess
Time/size/energy/payoff maybe too much to include into one stat line but I think a much better measure of a grower then grams per watt?

Shouldn't of had that second phatty it's not even noon

The plant you're describing is both outdoors and huge.

Since people are measuring results- and therefore dicks- using grams per watt, this doesn't translate well.

I've found that smaller plants indoors generally do a better job of filling in the canopy and there's a little more vigor with more smaller plants vs fewer larger ones.

One plant in a 40' container seems extreme.

 

[ttystikk]

That's not really much of a drive sir
More of a small jump

I assumed that the stalk size would have to be incredible to pump 40foot budsites but the time required to grow out such a stem must be beyond worthwhile. Time is the unpurchasable grow supply.
In the time to veg that beast I'd have done two or three crops so not so efficient or am I wrong.

I agree with your assessment about time. I dealt with it by staging batches and moving plants so my bloom space was always in bloom with plants that were the right size.

 

[torontoke]

The plant you're describing is both outdoors and huge.

Since people are measuring results- and therefore dicks- using grams per watt, this doesn't translate well.

I've found that smaller plants indoors generally do a better job of filling in the canopy and there's a little more vigor with more smaller plants vs fewer larger ones.

One plant in a 40' container seems extreme.

Not really thinking bout it in terms of dick measuring or even comparing other grows.
I am thinking of a total statistic to compare methods in the same grow.
Plants counts being the limiting factor from running 1000solo cups vs 10 10gal pails

The 40foot plant was inside a container with a bunch of lights. What type dude didn't know.

I think too much sometimes

 

[ttystikk]

Not really thinking bout it in terms of dick measuring or even comparing other grows.
I am thinking of a total statistic to compare methods in the same grow.
Plants counts being the limiting factor from running 1000solo cups vs 10 10gal pails

The 40foot plant was inside a container with a bunch of lights. What type dude didn't know.

I think too much sometimes

I think the advantage goes to more smaller plants. I haven't seen anything like a graph quantifying that, but I'd like to.

Plant counts are definitely a limiting factor.

 

[torontoke]

I think the advantage goes to more smaller plants. I haven't seen anything like a graph quantifying that, but I'd like to.

Plant counts are definitely a limiting factor.

I truly think time is the honest equalizer when discussions of comparisons come up at all.
Size of medium/root mass is dictated by time. Yield is then dependant on root size.
Gram per day total for veg and flower added together? Seems to make more sense then gram per watt anyway

I'm not as convinced about tiny plants huge numbers yielding more

I guess I was hoping there was some magic graphs that I've been to high to hear about

 

[torontoke]

Seed run has started.
2 landos stash
3 gmt
2 rku
1 rku x rks

1 of the rku already has balls.
The rest look female but it's early
Any other males will be swapped out for either landos stash, lucky charms or false teeth

 

[torontoke]

Elfinstone nugs that sure smokes nice for being so prematurely chopped.

Everyone that try's it has asked where I bought it. Crazy to imagine how good it could be

 

[zoic]

Elfinstone nugs that sure smokes nice for being so prematurely chopped.
Everyone that try's it has asked where I bought it. Crazy to imagine how good it could be

See that is where I am stuck, on when is the right time to cut. It seems that may not be as cut and dry (pardon the pun) as some people want to contend. I wanted to test that and analyze it a bit, which is why I snip a bud from a plant 3-4 days before I chop it, so I can try it out first if possible. Amber trichs have eluded me so far, but at least I know to look out for them. After 65 or more days I will work it out from the size of the bulbs on the ends of the trichs.

N.B. I noticed your table has notches. Are they for all the ladies (plants) you have had on it?

 

[torontoke]

See that is where I am stuck, on when is the right time to cut. It seems that may not be as cut and dry (pardon the pun) as some people want to contend. I wanted to test that and analyze it a bit, which is why I snip a bud from a plant 3-4 days before I chop it, so I can try it out first if possible. Amber trichs have eluded me so far, but at least I know to look out for them. After 65 or more days I will work it out from the size of the bulbs on the ends of the trichs.

N.B. I noticed your table has notches. Are they for all the ladies (plants) you have had on it?

That table is actually fairly new but was supposed to come with the distressed look lol now it looks ruined. There's been a few plants on it.

I was being sarcastic about that bud being done.
Far as I'm concerned it was well done maybe went a day too long.
Truth is when u chop is personal preference.
Some folks like taking them early for a head high some wait for the couch lock just prior to deterioration. I usually chop when they are 25-30% amber regardless what day it is.
People can call me anything they want or judge my grows I'm fresh out of shits to give.