The Truth About Flushing

Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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So is it not also some what dependant on strain to which will show more colour versus more fade, my outdoor grow last year had same strain and two pheno's, one of which turned purple and didn't fade at all, the other pheno faded to the point I thought something was wrong. Both fed till the end with fish emulsion in composted soil.IMG_3108.JPG faded one, IMG_3103.JPG Purple one. My indoor plants do not fade btw and stay green all the way. Why would this be when they are all fed through out their life? Now mind you the temps insoetinare way lower outside and actually hit 32 a couple of mornings.

Edit: ok upon further inspection they both faded but both were fed so why the fade, temps?
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Enigma said:
If the equipment does the required task I wouldn't be concerned with what someone else had labeled it.

Aderral was originally intended for weight loss, in the 50's. Now, it isn't middle aged women taking that drug any more.

Learn, grow.

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It is an opinion that those bulbs will do the required task. And not Phillips opinion.

Will still go with Phillips recommendation for use over yours.

And it is really funny you have chosen a dangerous pharmaceutical drug being peddled off label to even more patients whether they need it or not as an analogy.

Lol.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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mr sunshine said:
You could feed less and you wouldn't have to flush to get whatever results you're looking for.. honestly though,fall colors or green. once cut and dried it's all the same shit, Besides the fact that one was starved and one wasn't. Flushing is a myth. Feed your plants keep them green, or dont, nobody really cares.
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Well it seems people do care, passionately. And yes really why lol. Pretty sure even if feeding lightly the people that flush will always flush.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Budley Doright said:
Well it seems people do care, passionately. And yes really why lol. Pretty sure even if feeding lightly the people that flush will always flush.
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I care. I have been testing clones all year. And to get the full effects I am looking for I need to feed properly through the whole cycle.

Any version of water only. Flushing (leaching) or too much taper off to fade the plant on purpose resulted in less potent smoke. Less tasty and smell too.

3 runs of 3 different plants of 3 different strains.

All friends and patients have agreed about the smoke and they were blind testers. I told no one what I was doing.

They all preferred the "un flushed" smoke.
 
l0wbob2016

l0wbob2016

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MichiganMedGrower said:
It is an opinion that those bulbs will do the required task. And not Phillips opinion.

Will still go with Phillips recommendation for use over yours.
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Yes your are right, this is my own opinion that these T5's will do the UV-task, but you have to be very carefull. ( i mentioned this im my UV thread )
If you just wanna have a buld that does the job and contains some UV then it is perfect to go with the recommendsation of phillips.

I just came to the UV-thing because someone thought T5's are like "VHS's" and only had use back in the 90's, but in fact there are some technologies where T5's are still leading with some distance and thats all i wanted to show :)
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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MichiganMedGrower said:
I care. I have been testing clones all year. And to get the full effects I am looking for I need to feed properly through the whole cycle.

Any version of water only. Flushing (leaching) or too much taper off to fade the plant on purpose resulted in less potent smoke. Less tasty and smell too.

3 runs of 3 different plants of 3 different strains.

All friends and patients have agreed about the smoke and they were blind testers. I told no one what I was doing.

They all preferred the "un flushed" smoke.
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I care too, about my own grow! I don't really care at all about someone else's or if they choose to flush or not. Glad what you do works for you though. I'm sure another blind test by someone else may prove quite different as it's hardly a conclusive test.
 
jonsnow399

jonsnow399

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MichiganMedGrower said:
I care. I have been testing clones all year. And to get the full effects I am looking for I need to feed properly through the whole cycle.

Any version of water only. Flushing (leaching) or too much taper off to fade the plant on purpose resulted in less potent smoke. Less tasty and smell too.

3 runs of 3 different plants of 3 different strains.

All friends and patients have agreed about the smoke and they were blind testers. I told no one what I was doing.

They all preferred the "un flushed" smoke.
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If your plants smell, you're not doing it right.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Budley Doright said:
I care too, about my own grow! I don't really care at all about someone else's or if they choose to flush or not. Glad what you do works for you though. I'm sure another blind test by someone else may prove quite different as it's hardly a conclusive test.
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17 people were tested. I don't use labs here anymore as they have gone commercial medical here and I am not allowed to sell to dispensaries any more.

So I am staying out of their loop. Sorry.

But the difference was obvious to everyone and any commercial food or flower grower will tell you the same.

Do your own tests Budly. Flushing weed was a compromise to help get bud on the street as fast as possible for the black market. They learned to pump up the plants and then flush the medium out to not ruin the smokability of the crop. But maintain the yield as best as possible with shorter flowering times.

But they were not worried about the best quality. Only that it sold right away and they could start the next short run.

I have no way to verify this for you if you were not involved with large black market growers. But the Dutch weed growing methods have pretty much adopted the way of thinking.

But not the Dutch tomato producers. They feed the proper ratio to the end. And they are known to be the experts in greenhouse growing.
 
Resinman1921

Resinman1921

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Well this is me but ive done a few side by side in soil. In coco. And in dwc buckets. Flush and no flush. And i rather smoke the flushed bud any day. Noticable difference.
Bud tastes smoother. And more natural. The unflushed yes is good but its just not the same as quality flushed bud.
But thats just me and my experimenting
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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Resinman1921 said:
Well this is me but ive done a few side by side in soil. In coco. And in dwc buckets. Flush and no flush. And i rather smoke the flushed bud any day. Noticable difference.
Bud tastes smoother. And more natural. The unflushed yes is good but its just not the same as quality flushed bud.
But thats just me and my experimenting
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its not the flush, its the feed
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Flushing weed was a compromise to help get bud on the street as fast as possible for the black market. They learned to pump up the plants and then flush the medium out to not ruin the smokability of the crop. But maintain the yield as best as possible with shorter flowering times.

But they were not worried about the best quality. Only that it sold right away and they could start the next short run.
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..and they learned all about feeding too heavily to increase weight for increased profits. They didnt care that only vegetable matter increased and not active ingredients, they didnt care that proper finish was delayed, they didnt care that full trichome expressions counted on proper feeding= producing weed with less active ingredients by weight silly rabbits.

they learned that flushing with plain water for long periods could lessen their golf course fertilizer treatment smell and flavor quicker than drying correctly/normally. They learned that slow fermentation/sweating will consume some unburned carbs and break down the off flavors. They subscribed to this mantra and here we are. They make really expressive flowers that taste like shit with three weeks of open drying. It may be the very best weed they have ever grown and used.
I've had plenty of their weed, fermented or not it was ill for me.
On another note aging marijuana for the purpose of changing the chemical profile to accentuate personal desired effects is awesome personalization of home grown meds.
(all my opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of @MichiganMedGrower )

I challenge ANY grower to simply follow the directions in a quality feeding chart system, none of which I've seen include flushing before harvest, in an atmospherically (correctly) controlled room and build and maintain a drying tent/closet/room and wait three weeks. I did it over and over and over with stellar results. changed to promix couldnt, unable to grow organic style in my hydro system. Awesome results again, organic style, better for me, easier, cheaper too, and I follow the fukking directions is all once again. but it is fun watching people reinvent wheels for decades. ok, back to sticking pins in my stalks for higher potency.....
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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chemphlegm said:
..and they learned all about feeding too heavily to increase weight for increased profits. They didnt care that only vegetable matter increased and not active ingredients, they didnt care that proper finish was delayed, they didnt care that full trichome expressions counted on proper feeding= producing weed with less active ingredients by weight silly rabbits.

they learned that flushing with plain water for long periods could lessen their golf course fertilizer treatment smell and flavor quicker than drying correctly/normally. They learned that slow fermentation/sweating will consume some unburned carbs and break down the off flavors. They subscribed to this mantra and here we are. They make really expressive flowers that taste like shit with three weeks of open drying. It may be the very best weed they have ever grown and used.
I've had plenty of their weed, fermented or not it was ill for me.
On another note aging marijuana for the purpose of changing the chemical profile to accentuate personal desired effects is awesome personalization of home grown meds.
(all my opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of @MichiganMedGrower )

I challenge ANY grower to simply follow the directions in a quality feeding chart system, none of which I've seen include flushing before harvest, in an atmospherically (correctly) controlled room and build and maintain a drying tent/closet/room and wait three weeks. I did it over and over and over with stellar results. changed to promix couldnt, unable to grow organic style in my hydro system. Awesome results again, organic style, better for me, easier, cheaper too, and I follow the fukking directions is all once again. but it is fun watching people reinvent wheels for decades. ok, back to sticking pins in my stalks for higher potency.....
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You will like this one chem.

Fox farms feeding schedule says to flush with their flushing agent once per week and at the end.

And you better if you follow the amounts and frequency they direct.

But the Botanicare directions on kind trio and pure Blend Pro work wonderfully.

At 33-50% strength though. 100% for high light and co2 maybe. Or growing tomatoes. Lol.

But it shows a build up and taper off to ripening.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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@MichiganMedGrower

ever sit with a new person/grower, trade joints....and just stare at each other while feeling? getting to know the others' habits, personality, etc? sometimes it just clicks sometimes it doesnt?
I've never had it click with that flame tattoo face guy...but have plenty of others....:hug:
 
RM3

RM3

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With the talk of UV please know that "most" bulbs are useless. All one needs to do to see this is to get a UV meter. MMG sayin that his CMH has it is true but it is not enough to do anything in the garden and though he'll argue bout it, the truth is the difference he reports is due to the blue spectrum in the CMH bulb.

Oh and I actually have a thread on UV (that you guys could go troll) that is full of info

The beauty of my T5 setup is being able to tweak the spectrum easily and learn things, things that commercial growers are now usin to up their game, but what do I know LOL
 
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