Universal Basic Income; 'bout time or batshit crazy?

[esh dov ets]

Homeless people want clean socks and somewhere to take a shower. @ttystikk is doing NOTHING that will benefit them.

where as you house people in th big house.

 

[StonerCol]

where as you hose people in th big house.

You lost me there dude.

 

[esh dov ets]

The problem with homeless from what i have experienced and observed first hand is that you can not help people who are not willing to help themselves. I do not say this lightly. I have a younger brother who is homeless. Like many others on the streets he has mental health issues. We have tried to help him many times however he does not want it. He has a group of homeless friends and none of them seem to want to better their situation. I can give him money and buy him food however I feel whenever I do this I just enable him more. I am not saying all homeless are like this however, there is a large section of the homeless population that has learned to game the system and are completely content where they are. I find it really sad. And please to not give me a bunch of self righteous preaching unless you know someone who is homeless and that you talk to on a regular basis i do not really care about your opinion.

"problem with homeless from what i have experienced and observed first hand is that you can not help people who are not willing to help themselves" people literally beg for help.
up to 40% of homeless people are mentally ill; compared to about 36% of the general population. 15 percent are chronically homeless. 22 percent are children. 26% are addicts 38% drink.
"there is a large section of the homeless population that has learned to game the system and are completely content where they are"
that is false. there are street folk, riding the rails having a good time leading torturous lives, sure. but game what system, how? free hamburgers is't winning.
"""i do not really care about your opinion""""
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/09/AR2010070902357.html

 

[esh dov ets]

You lost me there dude.

inside joke. big misunderstanding mixed with fuck up mixed with how people talk shit to fiddledeedee, i don't usually partake but he left it so wide open...

 

[Navyaero]

"problem with homeless from what i have experienced and observed first hand is that you can not help people who are not willing to help themselves" people literally beg for help.
up to 40% of homeless people are mentally ill; compared to about 36% of the general population. 15 percent are chronically homeless. 22 percent are children. 26% are addicts 38% drink.
"there is a large section of the homeless population that has learned to game the system and are completely content where they are"
that is false. there are street folk, riding the rails having a good time leading torturous lives, sure. but game what system, how? free hamburgers is't winning.
"""i do not really care about your opinion""""

Thanks for your commentary so when is the last time you sat down and talked to a homeless person? Thanks for the statistics....

 

[esh dov ets]

I should also add that the US came into the war 2 years after it started. If I remember correctly the US entered the war when Pearl Harbour was bombed?
Up until that point the US lent/leased equipment to the UK, Russia and China I believe. Therefore making a huge profit from the war up until that point.
Don't get me wrong, I'm very glad that the US did help us out but it wasn't blindly doing so, it wanted it's pound of flesh (profit) for doing so.

the Russians beat the nazi's. the u.s. helped.
idk but it's not wholly untrue

 

[esh dov ets]

Thanks for your commentary so when is the last time you sat down and talked to a homeless person? Thanks for the statistics....

last night.
your welcome.

 

[Navyaero]

last night.
your welcome.

And this is where I get to call you a liar you see you left a paper trail now maybe you were sitting somewhere with some homeless person burning your fingers out making your posts on rollitup on your cell. However I doubt that. You wouldn't be doing much talking then. You see there's this Great function under your profile called recent activity in your showed exactly where you were last night posting on roll it up all night long. Sitting in a fake ivory tower there I see

 

[fdd2blk]

where as you house people in th big house.

Drunk already?

 

[esh dov ets]

since you just lied on me, i thought i'd check..
cool brand new account.
@Navyaero

 

[esh dov ets]

Drunk already?

can't sleep, clown will eat me.

 

[StonerCol]

the Russians beat the nazi's. the u.s. helped.
idk but it's not wholly untrue

People from all over the world beat the Nazi's, from Malaysia to Maine. The victory came about because so many nations pulled together. The Battle of Britain in 1940 was fought and won by the Royal Air Force but the pilots came from all over the world, from the British Empire as well as US, Canada etc.

 

[twostrokenut]

I don't mean to denigrate the US of A, or any other country, but if you are going to claim that 1 country is better than another, or all other countries, by definition you must have a set of criteria against which to judge all countries. Otherwise it is just blind patriotism.
I'm interested to see your set of criteria by which you judge countries.

Patent and trademark office.

 

[StonerCol]

Patent and trademark office.

Can you explain? Are you saying that patents and trademarks define how good a country is?

 

[twostrokenut]

Can you explain? Are you saying that patents and trademarks define how good a country is?

the ability to profit off of your own ideas regardless of wealth or status I would say is at least part and parcel.

inb4 stolen ideas.

 

[StonerCol]

the ability to profit off of your own ideas regardless of wealth or status I would say is at least part and parcel.

inb4 stolen ideas.

Possibly but I would argue that those reasons are very very far down the list.

 

[twostrokenut]

Possibly but I would argue that those reasons are very very far down the list.

i suppose we would have to simply disagree then. property rights, I would reckon, are pretty crucial to being free.

in the historical picture, for me it's liberty that measures the countries against one another.

inb4 worldwide slavery.

 

[st0wandgrow]

I don't mean to denigrate the US of A, or any other country, but if you are going to claim that 1 country is better than another, or all other countries, by definition you must have a set of criteria against which to judge all countries. Otherwise it is just blind patriotism.
I'm interested to see your set of criteria by which you judge countries.

America is #1 at making war, making billionaires, and making movies.

Nothing else

 

[esh dov ets]

i suppose we would have to simply disagree then. property rights, I would reckon, are pretty crucial to being free.

in the historical picture, for me it's liberty that measures the countries against one another.

inb4 worldwide slavery.

you mean the ability to profit off of your own wealth and collect rent. no, you don't but you support that. thinking it will help you compete.

 

[esh dov ets]

i suppose we would have to simply disagree then. property rights, I would reckon, are pretty crucial to being free.

in the historical picture, for me it's liberty that measures the countries against one another.

inb4 worldwide slavery.

you don't want the state to tax but you want to be able to tax people freely.