Do we need more information on seed packs?

[morgwar]

The point is legitimacy.
Everything else in the world you buy has a product description. From rice a roni, to petunias.
Its called the consumer protection act, it was created to protect the consumer from false claims and snake oil salesmen.
if we want legitimacy and NORMlization then we have to learn to adhere to the same standards as every other industry.
Its simply gonna happen one way or another so they might as well start now.

 

[morgwar]

And no one has to bump this thread.
Its a good conversation to have!
I don't agree with putting an encyclopedia on a seed pack but just like the veggy packs give a short description with a few tips for fertilizer.
Dropping a strain and releasing nothing on its background or crosses is lazy, week and presumptuous.
Its common courtesy to inform the consumer and that's from someone who's worked in agriculture, and sales

 

[Lightgreen2k]

The point is legitimacy.
Everything else in the world you buy has a product description. From rice a roni, to petunias.
Its called the consumer protection act, it was created to protect the consumer from false claims and snake oil salesmen.
if we want legitimacy and NORMlization the we have to learn to adhere to the same standards as every other industry.
Its simply gonna happen one way or another so they might as well start now.

So then get Sed plants and give all the information you want simple right.

Most breeders tell you the genetics behind there crosses usually Female x Male.. or reversed (If fem).

Topdawg
Og raskal
exotic..

NAME some breeders that you are having a hard time finding information on there crosses.

Bet I can find the information on any of those things in 5 mins. Info is ALWAYS out there...

 

[Lightgreen2k]

I mean Look at all the details is given on how to grow these seeds right here..



@morgwar and @Green_Skunk

So yeah fellas where is all this growing detail for us this npk value or that.

where does it say there cal mag whores.

I WAIT on your answers now. So I guess only the cannabis industry has to say

I will hold your hand... add Npk of this week one. week two little little guy add this. Okay its week three now add this.

come, now is this what you expect, or maybe recipe or maybe they should live feed you or snapchat or instagram live..

All you need is the plant genetics! Go from there simple done.

 

[Lightgreen2k]

@morgwar You have been a member since 2008. It's 2017 How many grows do you have under your belt.

Say at mim 4 cycles x per year x 10 years.

Og's / Chems / and again this and cookie strains all have detailed information online how to grow them..

People just want to be spoon feed / Remote control type of everything at our hands.

Real world doesnt work like that..

 

[Gu~]

Great thread. *taking notes*

 

[Lightgreen2k]

Great thread. *taking notes*

The thread is funny, you have some growers in this thread, expecting you breeders to give them a step by step manuel on the back of your seedpacks..

They want a Recipe... The thing is it sepeates real growers who hone in on there craft and learn the plant vs I want it now microwave growers I call them. Don't want to put the time in.

I have never seen an elite growers asking; whats the needs of this plant or that...

 

[hillbill]

I wasn't going to bump this thread for my final comments but since hillbill posted I feel its fair game.

How many of us when looking at a pack of seeds say "Yep I'll buy it right now" without looking deeper into the genetics, grow logs and pics around the net? I bet 99% of us take in all the information about a certain strain that we can before buying. Is this a bad practice? Obviously it isn't or we wouldn't do this religiously before every purchase. Why does more information matter on seed/strains? The long and short of it.......time. Instead of scouring the internet for all the information that ISP provides with their seeds, or bumbling around in the dark as you try to figure out the plants likes and dislikes so you have a decent grow. How many times have we heard that "Chems are Cal Mag whores"? Well if all you've grown up that point are plants that took all you threw at it then when running a chem you just might run into a problem where your leaves are yellowing and if you applied you method of taking them off a chem like you would a regular plant you're used to dealing with then you'll watch as the next set of leaves starts to yellow, then another and another as you pick them off. The plant is eating itself but all you know up until now is that yellowing indicates a dying leaf. Now that's not an all inclusive answer either. Chems also don't like a lot of water so I'd find that important to know as well. Time = money and I'd rather have all the information available at the time of purchase then trying to chase it down on the internet.

TL;DR Saves time (Inception? )

So then get Sed plants and give all the information you want simple right.

Most breeders tell you the genetics behind there crosses usually Female x Male.. or reversed (If fem).

Topdawg
Og raskal
exotic..

NAME some breeders that you are having a hard time finding information on there crosses.

Bet I can find the information on any of those things in 5 mins. Info is ALWAYS out there...

Great thread. *taking notes*

Just posting to get rid of my "reply" post so I can post again. I am sure there is another way but not for tech king hillbill. Here goes!

 

[hillbill]

The thread is funny, you have some growers in this thread, expecting you breeders to give them a step by step manuel on the back of your seedpacks..

They want a Recipe... The thing is it sepeates real growers who hone in on there craft and learn the plant vs I want it now microwave growers I call them. Don't want to put the time in.

I have never seen an elite growers asking; whats the needs of this plant or that...

Look at Greenpoint's sight. That is what I like and that is what I expect from a professional business. I may just order something because Gu has such an informative sight.

With more info Oregon Elite Seeds would have had an order from me long ago.

 

[Profound Bastard]

They want a Recipe... The thing is it sepeates real growers who hone in on there craft and learn the plant vs I want it now microwave growers I call them. Don't want to put the time in.

Real growers want stable genetics from legitimate breeders, not having to search through a ten pack of seeds for that one plant might match the vague description. Real breeders are growing homozygous plants.

This is becoming even more important with autoflowers gaining popularity which are grown from seed. Dinafem is a good example of mature breeder with good information on strains, in-house lab that allows them to quickly move through breeding generations and stabilize characteristics.

 

[eastcoastled]

The thread is funny, you have some growers in this thread, expecting you breeders to give them a step by step manuel on the back of your seedpacks..

They want a Recipe... The thing is it sepeates real growers who hone in on there craft and learn the plant vs I want it now microwave growers I call them. Don't want to put the time in.

I have never seen an elite growers asking; whats the needs of this plant or that...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who took this topic that way. If I were a breeder I would list five things on my pack for growers to get the most out of my seeds.
#1 hard work.
#2 time in the garden
#3 more hard work
#4 more time in the garden
#5 love/passion for your work

Flower time is the same for 98% of the seed packs out there, and even ones that haven't been made yet 55-65 days.
Indica/Sativa %. this is just a guess, it means nothing.
Nutrients? Well it's called weed for a reason!
I listed five things above. If your grow is fire it's because of these five reasons. If your grow is shit it's because of these five reasons. It's really not as complicated as some people would make it out to be.

 

[morgwar]

@morgwar You have been a member since 2008. It's 2017 How many grows do you have under your belt.

Say at mim 4 cycles x per year x 10 years.

Og's / Chems / and again this and cookie strains all have detailed information online how to grow them..

People just want to be spoon feed / Remote control type of everything at our hands.

Real world doesnt work like that..

First of all chill out man !
Second of all look at all those packs you posted and then look at the ones you own.
The difference?
If you don't see it then I guess I'm done.
I don't know where all this hostility is coming from dude! What did I do to come off as attacking you?
As far as my grows yes when it comes to mj I'm still a newbie plain and simple.
This WAS a civil conversation.
Sour bobby took 3 weeks before there was even a stain lineage.
Is it a tall plant? bushy? Heavy feeder? Light feeder?
How about polar bear og.
Jack herrer?
AK 47?
I KNOW but does. Tom dick and harry?
Seriously dude I was enjoying our conversation and still convey to you nothing but respect.

 

[Tripping With Rocks]

With more info Oregon Elite Seeds would have had an order from me long ago.

How can you say that, bro? He. Is. ELITE!

 

[morgwar]

Oh and honestly I love the "little guy" comment. Makes me feel young again.
Haven't been called that in decades.
Unless your shaq your staring at my belt buckle.

 

[Vato_504]

First of all chill out man !
Second of all look at all those packs you posted and then look at the ones you own.
The difference?
If you don't see it then I guess I'm done.
I don't know where all this hostility is coming from dude! What did I do to come off as attacking you?
As far as my grows yes when it comes to mj I'm still a newbie plain and simple.
This WAS a civil conversation.
Sour bobby took 3 weeks before there was even a stain lineage.
Is it a tall plant? bushy? Heavy feeder? Light feeder?
How about polar bear og.
Jack herrer?
AK 47?
I KNOW but does. Tom dick and harry?
Seriously dude I was enjoying our conversation and still convey to you nothing but respect.

He's a clown that think he's know everything and can tell you what you should be thinking. He's one of the ones that'll rather belittle than help. Ignore that know it all.. Nothinh wrong with asking questions. The best ask questions. I don't need help on my grow but if I'm looking to purchase seeds and it's a unknown breeder you suppose to ask questions.

 

[Tangerine_]

First off - who is asking for basic grow info?
Second - If a "breeder" wants to stay at the top of the game they'd be smart to throw up basic info on the genetics used. How many people got sucked into the name game because of bullshit "reformulations"? If the supplier cant be assed to list the genetics/ "cuts" they wont get a goddamn dime from me.

And third. Of COURSE without all the above where else would insecure ego maniacs go to spout off about how "old school" they are. How long they've been "growing". How long they've been buying seeds. (new growers take note because there are plenty of members here to follow/mentor under that know their shit and will be more than happy to help. Check out their grows and pay attention to how they interact. Ask yourself. Are they here to contribute or are they here to stroke their ego)

Furthermore, even old seed catalogs had a basic description. And without "grow logs" from genuine growers we'd be back to the days of High Times and their gushy overembellished "reviews". And I wont even touch on the Cannabis Cups and their fuckery.

And lastly, @Gu~ You are the last one that needs to take notes though I understand you're always looking for ways to improve your customers experience. You, Bodhi, Stray (too many to list) go above and beyond detailing the genetics used and the roads taken that brought us the seeds. I appreciate it and will continue to support you and others like you.

And for the record I do think the calmag and over/under watering are just basic gardening techniques and any issues should be worked out by the second run anyhow.


*steps off soapbox to go check out GROW LOGS*

 

[Tangerine_]

He's a clown that think he's know everything and can tell you what you should be thinking. He's one of the ones that'll rather belittle than help. Ignore that know it all.. Nothinh wrong with asking questions. The best ask questions. I don't need help on my grow but if I'm looking to purchase seeds and it's a unknown breeder you suppose to ask questions.

Seriously, even on IG its the same redundant condescending "how long you been growin for" and calling folks "johny come lately"
Like get the ruler out and measure up your dick already. Better yet get that implant ya so desperately need!

 

[Vato_504]

Seriously, even on IG its the same redundant condescending "how long you been growin for" and calling folks "johny come lately"
Like get the ruler out and measure up your dick already. Better yet get that implant ya so desperately need!

For real man that shit crazy. He been on the forums for a minute and think he's a grow and knowledge god.

 

[Tangerine_]

I mean Look at all the details is given on how to grow these seeds right here..

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@morgwar and @Green_Skunk

So yeah fellas where is all this growing detail for us this npk value or that.

where does it say there cal mag whores.

I WAIT on your answers now. So I guess only the cannabis industry has to say

I will hold your hand... add Npk of this week one. week two little little guy add this. Okay its week three now add this.

come, now is this what you expect, or maybe recipe or maybe they should live feed you or snapchat or instagram live..

All you need is the plant genetics! Go from there simple done.

Are you blind or stoned? There is detailed grow info right there on the packs. Its as clear as KY Jelly on Sunday morning sheets.

 

[morgwar]

God I love you guys! I'm getting to old for the troll thing.
The seed packs in that post show a hell of a lot more than what we're getting now.
Sour bobby is my point. Its tres its sour diesel its sister.
Nobody has info on that except JJ and I am sorry for wasting my cash now, because I'm the only one that's gonna bother posting my grow.
And that's because no one else was foolish enough to buy it.