Do we need more information on seed packs?

morgwar

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Observe & Report said:
Instagram sucks for many reasons. If breeders are such poor businessmen that they can't be arsed to provide real information in a place where consumers can find it then they deserve to go out of business. There's a lot more competition now and just having good cuts isn't enough any more.

Don't support lazy asshole breeders. Avoid the ones that don't provide any pictures or descriptions. Especially avoid the ones that get into stupid beefs on Instagram or have ever referred to another breeder as a "fuckboy." They're usually the ones charging $200 for a pack of regular chucks with no pics or descriptions.
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Yeah I don't get the "fboy" deal. Is that an insult? Must be generational.
The douchebag culture reminds me of the 80s preppy or jock culture.
Total joke!
People who talk like that are wastes of flesh and air.
And the "keeping it real" thing sucks too.
Manners, decency, tact! That's what gets my bussiness.
More info on the labels, absolutely!
Look at a hardware store onion seed pack, or sunflower, there's practically the genetic and even historical significance of said plant.
not to mention sun, soil, season, climate zone suggestions, yield.
If a corporate conglomerate like burpees seed co can take pride in a pack of sweet Pease, then we can expect better from the cannabis culture.
 
indican3

indican3

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I agree more information is better but what's the point of this thread really? That's what I keep circling back to is like what are we aiming for with this question thrown into the void?

Not every breeder is in a legal/regulated market so they have to be obscure about the process to avoid heat. If you're running 100s of seeds pheno hunting generally that's illegal in most places even where you can grow. You want THC/CBD percentage breakdowns in lab tests? Great if you can find a lab that doesn't charge you up the ass and require you to provide at least an ounce. Want to know about the growing conditions too? Well it's kind of a pain of the ass to do proper video/photo documentation in a proper way when you're limited by the covertness of your OP and the amount of resources you can dedicate to just doing side by side tests.

What annoys me is I get many people have been conditioned as consumers to expect certain standards but many breeders simply can't provide much more than lineage and I don't expect them to. If you want to pass on their shit because it's not documented other than some IG than do it, but this thread isn't going to shame or alter their practice of releasing info so nice food for thought I guess.
 
morgwar

morgwar

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They can skip the thc cbds tests on seeds, as that's more nurture than nature.
You can grow a plant and get 26% and the same plant in my set up would get 18% or vice versa. It can't be standardized either.
But the pack can give the breeders strain perspective and suggested method.
The consumer votes with the dollar.
Ig isn't reaching half the market (baby boomers and gen x) I don't have time to swap picks and smiles on social media.half my buddies shun face book, but we've been growing and puffing for decades.
 
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indican3 said:
I agree more information is better but what's the point of this thread really? That's what I keep circling back to is like what are we aiming for with this question thrown into the void?

Not every breeder is in a legal/regulated market so they have to be obscure about the process to avoid heat. If you're running 100s of seeds pheno hunting generally that's illegal in most places even where you can grow. You want THC/CBD percentage breakdowns in lab tests? Great if you can find a lab that doesn't charge you up the ass and require you to provide at least an ounce. Want to know about the growing conditions too? Well it's kind of a pain of the ass to do proper video/photo documentation in a proper way when you're limited by the covertness of your OP and the amount of resources you can dedicate to just doing side by side tests.

What annoys me is I get many people have been conditioned as consumers to expect certain standards but many breeders simply can't provide much more than lineage and I don't expect them to. If you want to pass on their shit because it's not documented other than some IG than do it, but this thread isn't going to shame or alter their practice of releasing info so nice food for thought I guess.
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Yes consumers expect a certain standard. You sound like, and correct me if im wrong, one of the "breeders" most of us are complaining about.

Its really quite simple. If you are promoting something, you need to know everything about it and then educate your consumer. With weed, education cost per customer is fairly cheap, even with new growers.

If a breeder cant take 20min and give AS MUCH DETAIL AS POSSIBLE (which you seem to be missing this point when you bring up shit like lab tests) then they should stick to just smoking. I think what most people are saying is, anything and everything any breeder can say about their seeds they are selling then they should. There are basic things consumers would like to see on a website pertaining to the strain they are thinking about buying that doesnt cost one fucking cent.

This BS, and trust me weed isnt the only market, where speed = the only thing that matters will cripple your business. And I hope for all the breeders out there trying to do this the lazy way by not giving as much info as possible fail in their business venture.
 
indican3

indican3

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These threads are cancer because you don't want anything from it other than me to tell you what I said many times, more information is better, and more breeders should be forward about their genetics.

If you'd stop leveling baseless accusations against me that would be nice to. I don't get it because I'm talking about lab tests? Some other poster brought up they'd like to see more details like THC breakdowns and that's what I was referring to, giving an example of how impractical it currently is.

Don't worry man, the market is going in the direction of more documentation but I'm simply trying to explain to you why in 2017 things are still not there yet. The one insight I was mentionning is many breeders aren't purposely withholding info because it's some trend to do that, and even if that was the case overtime the breeders who better document their shit will likely do better and it will become more standardized in time.
 
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indican3 said:
These threads are cancer because you don't want anything from it other than me to tell you what I said many times, more information is better, and more breeders should be forward about their genetics.

If you'd stop leveling baseless accusations against me that would be nice to. I don't get it because I'm talking about lab tests? Some other poster brought up they'd like to see more details like THC breakdowns and that's what I was referring to, giving an example of how impractical it currently is.

Don't worry man, the market is going in the direction of more documentation but I'm simply trying to explain to you why in 2017 things are still not there yet. The one insight I was mentionning is many breeders aren't purposely withholding info because it's some trend to do that, and even if that was the case overtime the breeders who better document their shit will likely do better and it will become more standardized in time.
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Didnt level an accusation at you, I purposely said it the way I did so you can offer your stance. Things like "seem" and "correct me if im wrong" were used. Im not going to go off on a tangent about that.

Anyway

I dont think its breeders holding back. Rather I think its breeders just being lazy and worried about other factors. Whether its worrying about flipping their plants as fast as possible, trying to come up with the next "it" strain, or whatever.

And I dont get why "2017" has anything to do with it. I mean, this isnt a new emerging market (in the sense that the growing community has been around a long time). MMJ started in 96 (Cali). This industry has had PLENTY of time to get their shit together. So to me, saying its 2017 is just a flat out excuse as to why MOST breeders have been lazy for 20+ years.
 
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I promise. If there was a wikipedia/amazon/apple, yes all rolled into one, about pot where you could also buy seeds, forums, etc etc. Whoever ran it would be successful. Think farther than that. What if whoever ran that then started their own line of dispensaries? He would get business in any market because of his Authority online, his knowledge, his networking ability to other growers etc. Possibilities are endless. How about his own farm? He could (maybe) start a dispensary in CO or CA and do just fine. He could also prepare and be one of the first places in emerging markets in different states. One stop shop also means less expensive prices for consumers.

Whats the cost for an oz of your avg. high/med grade weed? Like 300 or so? Chop down to 280 for most of your strains and 300+ for the TOP TOP TOP TOP Shelf.

Exclusivity, even the illusion of, breeds interest and consumers. Dont believe me, look at apple.

ETA: I wish I had some connections in the weed world like some people here have because if I could I would just do it myself.
 
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I would like to see born on dates stamped on the pack, especially for strains that seem to always be available. Think European seed breeders where the same strains have been available for a decade now. Bought 2 packs of the same strain from two different vendors and one had 100% germination and the other did not. Were they old stock? Without a born on date there's no way to tell.
 
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Tripping With Rocks

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While it would be nice to have more details direct from the breeders about their strains, there are sites which contain this information. Once I meet the minimum requirements, I can post links to the three that I know of, which are Seedfinder, Cannafo, and Cannabisreports.
 
greg nr

greg nr

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When i mentioned test reports, it wasn't to know the thc%. It was to know the cannabinoid profile. I don't grow for high thc-a.

But even without lab tests, how about something simple like sativa dominant. How about some flavor profile?

Sure, sites like seedfinder will eventually catch up for major strains, but there is no real relation between a kush bred by breeder A and one bred by breeder Z. The strain name isn't relevant without the breeder info and lineage (if known, if unknown, at least say so).

It's no wonder some breeders are crying. They don't know how to market their products outside of putting a picture of one bud up.

Don't like what customers are asking for? Guess what, someone else will provide it, and the dollars will follow.
 
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greg nr said:
When i mentioned test reports, it wasn't to know the thc%. It was to know the cannabinoid profile. I don't grow for high thc-a.

But even without lab tests, how about something simple like sativa dominant. How about some flavor profile?

Sure, sites like seedfinder will eventually catch up for major strains, but there is no real relation between a kush bred by breeder A and one bred by breeder Z. The strain name isn't relevant without the breeder info and lineage (if known, if unknown, at least say so).

It's no wonder some breeders are crying. They don't know how to market their products outside of putting a picture of one bud up.

Don't like what customers are asking for? Guess what, someone else will provide it, and the dollars will follow.
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Cursory search... I like seedfinder. But the bold and underlined is the most important.
 
JohnDoeTho

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I know as a new grower and buying the seeds before any growing knowledge, it's very misleading buying seeds right now. I'm finishing up my first grow, purchased strain is up next, I guess we shall see.
 
Lightgreen2k

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Virgin Thumb said:
Yes consumers expect a certain standard. You sound like, and correct me if im wrong, one of the "breeders" most of us are complaining about.

Its really quite simple. If you are promoting something, you need to know everything about it and then educate your consumer. With weed, education cost per customer is fairly cheap, even with new growers.

If a breeder cant take 20min and give AS MUCH DETAIL AS POSSIBLE (which you seem to be missing this point when you bring up shit like lab tests) then they should stick to just smoking. I think what most people are saying is, anything and everything any breeder can say about their seeds they are selling then they should. There are basic things consumers would like to see on a website pertaining to the strain they are thinking about buying that doesnt cost one fucking cent.

This BS, and trust me weed isnt the only market, where speed = the only thing that matters will cripple your business. And I hope for all the breeders out there trying to do this the lazy way by not giving as much info as possible fail in their business venture.
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how long have you been growing for.
one to two months or less?

You didnt know about seedfinder which has been around for years.

Most breeders usually have some type of home forum that they are on, that speak about there strains.

You seem very wet behind the ears in this imdustry. Information is never hard to find from Quality breeders.

Now what you see being new might be different then myself of breeders that are good.

So lets have it "which breeders are you into that don't have all the information you soo seek"..

and as bad as people are saying Ig to be most breeders will answer you about their strains , well at Least me.
Moving on,
I dont know about all you johny come latelys on the cannaforums as a whole. If you where into this before it was cool or legal you would know whats staty or indy leaning. This is rather basic imformation thats out there. Why are you people crying.
 
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JohnDoeTho

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Lightgreen2k said:
how long have you been growing for.
one to two months or less?

You didnt know about seedfinder which has been around for years.

Most breeders usually have some type of home forum that they are on, that speak about there strains.

You seem very wet behind the ears in this imdustry. Information is never hard to find from Quality breeders.

Now what you see being new might be different then myself of breeders that are good.

So lets have it "which breeders are you into that don't have all the information you soo seek"..

and as bad as people are saying Ig to be most breeders will answer you about their strains , well at Least me.
Moving on,
I dont know about all you johny come latelys on the cannaforums as a whole. If you where into this before it was cool or legal you would know whats staty or indy leaning. This is rather basic imformation thats out there. Why are you people crying.
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Lol seems as if your upset weed isn't your little secret in your home town anymore? I'm a new grower and not doing it because it's cool or legal in my area.... I grow my own to control what I smoke and guarantee a high quality smoke. Like any industry it's good for all of us if it grows and gains popularity. Welcome new people with open arms. It seems like your argument is that there isn't much of a standard but people should simply know better. This is a horrible outlook to have on the development of an industry you care about. Weed isn't a secret your not gonna keep it from expanding.
 
greg nr

greg nr

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JohnDoeTho said:
Lol seems as if your upset weed isn't your little secret in your home town anymore? I'm a new grower and not doing it because it's cool or legal in my area.... I grow my own to control what I smoke and guarantee a high quality smoke. Like any industry it's good for all of us if it grows and gains popularity. Welcome new people with open arms. It seems like your argument is that there isn't much of a standard but people should simply know better. This is a horrible outlook to have on the development of an industry you care about. Weed isn't a secret your not gonna keep it from expanding.
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Whats really frosting their buds is that as information becomes more ubiquitous, and real strain reviews get out, the "secret" cuts that growers have been able to sell for $5k a clone to each other are no longer in demand. That super secret strain is worth exactly squat. Sure, it's still a good smoke, but why would anyone pay more for it? You probably can't even get a premium for the flower in a legal state any more. Which is also why so many growers HATE legalization. It's killed their old way of doing business, and they loved it.

It's a brave new world for sure. At least until the feds stuff the genie back in the bottle.
 
indican3

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JohnDoeTho said:
It seems like your argument is that there isn't much of a standard but people should simply know better. This is a horrible outlook to have on the development of an industry you care about. Weed isn't a secret your not gonna keep it from expanding.
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Seriously? If you're new to growing and work Google for half a minute the information is there and available. You can't bitch about the lack of info and not know about Seedfinder.

I love how newcomers want to play up the victim card acting like there's some old guard keeping you down but what's funny is you're so new half of you wouldn't know wtf they would want to grow if they did have all the details that you pretend are hiding from you.

And you keep talking about the future of the industry as though you're experienced yet you're someone who's not even bought his first pack? Unreal.
 
Vato_504

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What it all boils down to is people will rather shame you then help you in this shit. If I can't help you imma damn sure try my best to point you in the right direction. It doesn't matter how long you been doing this or that we all can bring something to the table. That's why I don't hesitate in asking questions. I done met some dudes on this site that done helped me so damn much that I should be giving them my weed. But it's all love. So if you can't help that person point them in the direction where they can get that help instead on trying to belittle them. Bless up and grow trees!!!
 
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JohnDoeTho

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indican3 said:
Seriously? If you're new to growing and work Google for half a minute the information is there and available. You can't bitch about the lack of info and not know about Seedfinder.

I love how newcomers want to play up the victim card acting like there's some old guard keeping you down but what's funny is you're so new half of you wouldn't know wtf they would want to grow if they did have all the details that you pretend are hiding from you.

And you keep talking about the future of the industry as though you're experienced yet you're someone who's not even bought his first pack? Unreal.
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Lol.... you are so angry man. Maybe look at a different strain something that promotes some happiness. You are completely wrong as my first purchased strain is Green Poision. Go on mr angry man continue on like you know all.
 
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