It is a drug under the Criminal code of the CDSA. And yes it should be under the NHP, but it is still in the CDSA for now, and will continue to be so even after legalization where Trudeau said they will increase penalties for persons selling without authorization and they will be charged or giving it to a minor or trafficking in large amounts. So legalization is as Mark Emery has rightfully said, is really Prohibition 2.0. As to the LPs they are licensed to sell and produce under the former MMPR, that was struck in Allard et al as being completely " unconstitutional" because it created a barrier to access to us self producers or DG's a constitutional right, thus they created the ACMPR which is the MMAR blended with the LP MMPR.
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It is a drug under the Criminal code of the CDSA. And yes it should be under the NHP, but it is still in the CDSA for now, and will continue to be so even after legalization where Trudeau said they will increase penalties for persons selling without authorization and they will be charged or giving it to a minor or trafficking in large amounts. So legalization is as Mark Emery has rightfully said, is really Prohibition 2.0. As to the LPs they are licensed to sell and produce under the former MMPR, that was struck in Allard et al as being completely " unconstitutional" because it created a barrier to access to us self producers or DG's a constitutional right, thus they created the ACMPR which is the MMAR blended with the LP MMPR.
BobCajun
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They're clearly selling a commercial natural product. It doesn't appear to be sold as a food and if it's being sold as a novelty then why is HC involved? Is HC in the business of providing a plant which is not a drug or a food? Those are the only things they have jurisdiction over. That's why it's called the Food and Drugs Act, or at least was, god knows what they call it now.
Maybe I feel a need to hit some shrooms, to treat my conditions. There's no evidence that shrooms will help anything but according to HC neither is there for Cannabis, and that didn't stop them from providing it. So will they license somebody to grow some shrooms for me if I can find a doctor to recommend it for $150? They have no business licensing people to grow and sell cannabis without even defining what it's being sold as and having incredibly lax regulations compared to drugs, NHPs and food.
Maybe I feel a need to hit some shrooms, to treat my conditions. There's no evidence that shrooms will help anything but according to HC neither is there for Cannabis, and that didn't stop them from providing it. So will they license somebody to grow some shrooms for me if I can find a doctor to recommend it for $150? They have no business licensing people to grow and sell cannabis without even defining what it's being sold as and having incredibly lax regulations compared to drugs, NHPs and food.
That is a question best answered by the massive control Big Pharma has created, and scared the doctors into compliance. Most doctors are too afraid to get involved because there own College says not to. As how they can find a doctor, that is a massive problem to say the least. I can only recommend a clinic like Terry Roycroft's in Vancouver. It's a total nightmare I agree.
The answer to your shroom question is that no one that I know of has tried to run a case for an exemption from the criminal CDSA on a medical use basis. Until that is done it remains controlled by criminal law. It totally sucks, but we the people don't write the laws, and our elected leaders are paid for schills for Big Pharma. Just look at the board of directors of any major LP. They are stacked with former Prime Ministers, politicians of every flavor, and top retired RCMP brass and a a few former CSIS spies. That should tell you lots.
BobCajun
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Well there are reports of shrooms being useful for depression. All you gotta do is say hey Dr Dro, can you give me a recommendation for shrooms to treat my depression? Here's a nice crisp $150, deal or no deal?
Bob, your right I have read many of those studies and it's solid evidence. But again, without an exemption from the CDSA, no doctor is going to "authorize use", and potentially lose their license to practice. So it sounds nice in theory, but on a legal basis would never fly.
LSD and MDA as well...
"synthetic cannabinoids like Cesamet aka ( Nabilone )
Sativex are considered medicine" is not synthetic...
Nabilone has killed peopleawesome shit! just makes ya hungry lol
GB123, sorry you are right Sativex is a plant based medicine, and not synthetic, so how they got that passed my only answer is again it's produced by Big Pharma who runs the show. It all comes to the unbelievable control they have over the politicians, MONEY talks...LSD and MDA and MDMA are all under the control of the CDSA and are considered pharmaceuticals. Groups like M.A.P.S. in the USA have been running controlled clinical trials for MDMA for treatment of PTSD in soldiers in the USA, they say they are about 2-3 years away to getting it approved as a theraputic medicine, that it was originally until the so called war on drugs criminalizes it. Ps. They have had an 80% success rate of "curing" PTSD. It's should be mentioned "cures" is a forbidden word in standard allopathic medicine, they only do "symptom" control. WTF ??
VIANARCHRIS
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Where is the crime? It is not a crime to exercise my right to relocate, and I claim autonomy over my health and refuse to consult doctors for anything. Health Canada has given me the right to grow and use and the courts have upheld that right. I grow less than my license allows, I don't grow commercially and I don't sell a single gram- the only thing they have on me is an address change. The threat of jail, losing everything and massive legal bills is straight fear-mongering. No court is going to convict...I won't even hire a lawyer.
BobCajun
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Simple fact is, if you have a legit medical need then you don't need to register or do anything really. You can just grow your own, knowing that if it ever came down to it the Supreme Court would rule in your favor. If they say that HC provided access from licensed growers just say that you read the regs and noticed that they were a lot more lax than they are for other natural health products and drugs, and don't adequately protect your health. For instance, does the weed you buy from LPs have the following label information?
They already burned you once, with pesticide tainted product. Why should you trust them again without proper labeling or safe packaging. Did it come in a child proof container? Because if not, they endangered children by their lack of proper regulations. Here is the damning evidence;
See anything there about child proof? You could set them up for a huge lawsuit by having your kid say they ate some and went psychotic.
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Chris, I do not want to argue with you at all my friend. Just giving you the facts as I know them to be. If you believe in your sec 7 rights, as being able to save you, then why did you get an MMAR to begin with ? As to fear mongering please contact John Turmel and pose your question of whether you would be convicted if busted based on what you have shared. He will give you case after case number, of those who were convicted and jailed. So it is not fear mongering when I state these verifiable facts. Again, you are free to do as you please, just trying to dispel the illusion that MMAR licenses with a different address are valid. They are NOT valid, that is fact. Actually, I will prove it really quick. Here is a link to the most asked question on Conroy's website, can I move an MMAR license. I will let the lawyer do the talking. Here you go, http://johnconroy.com/mmar.htm Also check his site for much more info on this subject. Ps, I worked directly with Conroy on an almost daily basis while I was the executive director of the Coalition against Repeal of the MMAR for over 2 years and learned lots. Also talk with Turmel at johnturmel@yahoo.com, I speak with him almost daily.
Bob,
I beg to differ if you want to be legally covered. Do you have the money to get to the SCC. It cost us $679,000 plus to get Allard et al just to the Supreme Court of BC, and had HC appealed it would of been probably another $300k to get it to Supreme Court of Canada.
Don't take my word for any of this let the lawyer do the talking. Here it is from Conroy's website, the most asked question "can I legally move my MMAR license?", no. http://johnconroy.com/mmar.htm Or drop John Turmel at johnturmel@ yahoo.com, an email and ask him about any of your theories. He will back up what Conroy and I are telling you all. Please be careful. I am only saying this not to fear monger as one person accused me of, but to give you fact based evidence that none of this altruistic reasoning would save you from an arrest or jail time.
BobCajun
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Oh, okay, guess that would be a bad idea then. Just keep buying the tainted schwag in the child-tempting packaging with no labels from the LPs then. Might get through a couple years before croaking from the poison, and the kids may eventually recover from their psychosis.
Yep, said to say, but those are the facts. I would only suggest you all try to get into the ACMPR, it is not as bad as many actually think. In fact it is more streamlined than the MMAR was. I don't recommend and never would using LP scwag. The processing times can be as Jeff just told me 5 months for his wife. Mine was 3.5 months until I remembered this clause, to use, the key words are " the minister must" include that in a cover letter or a fax if you have an existing application and bam it arrived a week later.
Here it is,
note:Amendment
- 182 (1) Subject to sections 183 to 185, if an application complies with section 181, the Minister must amend the registration and, if applicable, send an amended registration certificate to the registered person and send to the designated person, if any, an updated version of the document referred to in paragraph 178(3)(b).
So a minister must amend, key word must. And also threaten legal action by saying if HC does not comply with the above clause you will apply for a Mandamus order compelling HC to issue your license. And put cc Kirk Tousaw at the bottom of your fax to them. They hate this tactic but it works every time I have used it now, about 4 times or more in total.
they took out the other cannabinoids and used only two..cbd and thc..
that's how they pulled the wool over every ones head.
they should be jailed
Angus Hung
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I forgot about, any thing over 6 plants is mass production and will get you 6 months.
ahhaha that is classic government.
in the town i live in there are like 8 or 10 dispensers, how are they operating above the law?
I assume the cops dont care as the province does not care and the federal government dont care.
so what im saying is if nobody cares im sure as long as you dont make waves and keep every thing to a reasonable size you can get away with operating with out a proper license. there is risk but in my view very little.
ahhaha that is classic government.
in the town i live in there are like 8 or 10 dispensers, how are they operating above the law?
I assume the cops dont care as the province does not care and the federal government dont care.
so what im saying is if nobody cares im sure as long as you dont make waves and keep every thing to a reasonable size you can get away with operating with out a proper license. there is risk but in my view very little.
WHATFG
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Those wait times are ridiculous especially in the face of legalization...moving forward...
VIANARCHRIS
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Likewise, I prefer discussions over arguments and I appreciate what you are saying, but I stand by my position. The only 'crime' I've committed was moving. I don't need Turmel or any other lawyer to tell me NOT to exercise my constitutional rights. One bonus to being poor is having nothing to lose, lol. They can charge me and then pay for my lawyer to get me off if that's the game they want to play. I am not going to jail for growing my meds and I have nothing of value they can take.
VIANARCHRIS
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I was playing their game. Now that I have it, the only thing not 'legal' about my garden is the location. The pinks just add a defense to my argument should shit hit the fan. I'm an old guy with no criminal record and I am growing for my personal medical need, how bad do they want a fight?
With respect your age and income will not deter a conviction, if busted. I hear from my good friend Jeff who left this forum because he did not agree with persons promoting that it is perfectly safe to move an MMAR license. It's illegal plain and simple so anyone reading this reply please stop promoting this DELUSIONAL idea. You only succeed in putting people and their families at risk of serious legal, finiancial, criminal and emotional repercussions. If u choose to do it fine. But to promote it as safe with no repercussions for others, is just plain wrong and irresponsible. Enough said.
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