StonerCol
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It's been mismanaged for years and nothing changes. It's being privatised by the back door, on the sly.
Almost 1/3 of all homicides in my county 2010-16 were police killings
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Budley Doright
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Perhaps they were dealing with "bad hombre's". I have mixed feelings about all of the police killings but yup it sure seems like some cops are just as bad as the actual criminals they deal with or worse. Growing up I was taught to respect them and do as I was told and for the most part I did because I was most likely doing bad shit when interacting with them lol. Being white and in an area that has one black family in a 10 mile radius it's hard to understand the emotions of being singled out due to race and or color. I don't think the killings here (in Toronto) are really color based as much as rogue cops who don't differentiate just shoot. I think the mind set of everyone has changed for the worse re compassion for others. It's sad.
ttystikk
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Things are different in 'Murrica.
The foundation of the problem is a near total lack of accountability for police misconduct.
SouthCross
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Make it law that requires police officers to carry personal liability insurance. The premiums will determine who remains in law enforcement. The better they follow the rules. The lower it'll be.
ttystikk
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This isn't a bad idea.
StonerCol
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Automation - robots - is going to destroy a lot of jobs. There won't be anything to replace those jobs. The lower skilled workers won't be able to get work. They won't be able to "upskill" because they won't have had the education for high tech jobs and even if they could, the competition for those jobs will be so fierce it'll be hundreds or thousands of workers after each job. Corporate America/UK/Wherever won't be interested in creating jobs, only profit, and robots will be cheaper than employing a human. It won't be too long before robots do the jobs of cops on the street - complete with firearms - and who is going to control them? How are you going to complain about a robot that shot an innocent bystander?
Add the factors of a severly damaged environment into the mix and it is going to get really really ugly.
This isn't too far away from happening. Maybe 10-20 years. The future doesn't look good at all. It's depressing!
Budley Doright
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We are starting to have that here, I think in the last 6 months I have seen at least 10 GTA (greater Toronto area) cops before the courts. Mandatory body body cams will go a long way to stop a lot of shit I believe. Fuck we even had one that owned a dispensary with the blessing of his supervisor. The same police that are busting and shutting others down ....... sad lol.
Flowki
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We are still a long way off that point. We don't have a working clean energy system yet, and that is required for the next step of automation you describe . If safe renewable was invented/perfected right now it would still take a good 10+ years for established country's to logistically make it happen, then a further 10+ years to step up automation.
In the long run it's a good thing. The less work>money>food on offer means family's will have less children. It's better that half a billion couples have 2 children each as we can sustain it ecologically and economically. Rather than 7 billion people doing what ever they want.. leading to, well.. look around.
It sounds like a callus way of thinking but read up on the current population escalation for yourself over the last 100 years. It's a far worse place to be in 20 years than your automation fears.
StonerCol
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I disagree that we are still a long way away from that point. The speed of technological change increases exponentially and so 20 years of change in the 21st century is equal to maybe twice that, or more, in the 20th/19th centuries. We pretty much have driverless cars, it's really just fine-tuning that's left in terms of their overall development. We have robots in factories such as car plants. We have incredible software such as NASA uses to send probes billions of miles away. Add that altogether and it seems very close to me. 20 years is probably way off, maybe less than 15.
In terms of a working clean energy system that is very close too. If there was universal political will that could be solved very quickly. Wind/Solar/Wave technology is increasing very quickly. A lot of energy used in factories etc is required for humans but not robots. Lighting, A/C etc won't really be needed for robots, they'll be able to work in near-dark situations and temps. won't affect them like they do humans. So, this means that much less energy will be required to run a plant full of robots. Battery technology is increasing rapidly and that will replace the need for so much electricity from a mains supply.
Automation and the logistics for making renewables happen will occur at the same time so it won't be 10 + 10 years, it'll more likely be 10-15 years total.
In terms of the population I agree that it is a major problem. Unfortunately though many people in countries in Africa or in India, Bangladesh etc don't temper their breeding based upon food availability. It may happen in the US/Europe but they will be the exception not the rule. People won't look ahead and think "We need to have less kids" it'll be a case of food being fought over to feed those populations.
The big problem as I see it, or one of the big problems is that the Corporates don't address problems untill/unless it affect their profits. This means that problems will occur and THEN a solution will be sought, rather than trying to stop those problems occuring in the first place.
Robots don't require food/water. That will push their development/use even quicker as food becomes harder to provide for the burgeoning world population.
Either way, the future doesn't look great.
StonerCol
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Robots will repair the robots. What's a Robo-consumer?
greg nr
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A robot that buys goods and services for itself. Pays for it with it's own labor.
Just like us.....
StonerCol
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Why would a piece of titanium on wheels need goods and services?
SneekyNinja
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Define sentience, intelligence and free will...then tell me how and why it would be different in a neural information network instead of a organic based one.
People hold "life" as a sacred thing, as soon as the first AI wonders "Why?" then we've become God.
Do you not think sentient robots are a possibility?
greg nr
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Unfortunately for us, living gods haven't exactly had a great run when it comes to the V2 life forms exerting dominance. We will be best revered once dead and extinct. Then we can become whatever the V2's want us to be.
We will be far too disappointing alive.
SneekyNinja
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Oh I don't mean in the omnipotent and omniscient way, I just mean "creating life" isn't as complicated as people seem to make it out to be.
I can't wait to see the ethical issues.
ttystikk
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Accountability, starting with taxation.
It worked just fine before we let business and government crawl in bed together and fuck the People.
ttystikk
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Having done both, i can tell you they are very different.
Issac Asimov was a brilliant man.
ttystikk
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It should pay taxes on its productivity. Bill Gates came up with that, and it isn't a bad idea.