Almost 1/3 of all homicides in my county 2010-16 were police killings

[greg nr]

A computer will give you the same answer every time for the same input. whereas an emotional response will vary greatly.

A computer can do that, but it can also give differing results depending on external factors. For example, something as simple as the time of day can change how a program responds to the same inputs. Good Morning or Good afternoon in response to a simple "Hello". Same input, different outputs.

Computers can also be programmed to recognize stress on your voice, and respond accordingly.

AI is in it's infancy. So is the technology of computers. Sounds funny given as advanced as they seem, but 70 years ain't much time given all of the science that has yet to be discovered.

In time, emotions will be standard. Hopefully they will be pleasant and measured. No guarantees though that quantum brains won't go chaotic and dangerous.

We aren't that special.

 

[greg nr]

Speak for yourself.

There's nothing wrong with Russia that better government wouldn't be able to solve.

The People must believe it is possible and that's been a long standing problem, going all the way back to the Tzars.

Russia doesn't have hopes of a better government. They have an authoritarian dictocrat whose wealth is derived from his power, running rough over a country savaged by oligarchs and corruption. Political assassinations are commonplace, there is no free press, there is no free economy, the states wealth has been given over to a few insiders under the gise of privatization, and there are few freedoms other than those obtained between the edges of very harsh laws.

And we are heading that way faster and faster. They aren't moving towards us. We are moving towards them. Trump seems to like that form of government, and is moving us stealthily towards it.

 

[StonerCol]

A computer can do that, but it can also give differing results depending on external factors. For example, something as simple as the time of day can change how a program responds to the same inputs. Good Morning or Good afternoon in response to a simple "Hello". Same input, different outputs.

Computers can also be programmed to recognize stress on your voice, and respond accordingly.

AI is in it's infancy. So is the technology of computers. Sounds funny given as advanced as they seem, but 70 years ain't much time given all of the science that has yet to be discovered.

In time, emotions will be standard. Hopefully they will be pleasant and measured. No guarantees though that quantum brains won't go chaotic and dangerous.

Okay, fair points but those aren't the same as emotions. Emotional responses are formed partially by experience. A computer cannot experience and form its' emotional responses based upon those experiences in the same way a human can.
For example if you put into a computer that 50 people were killed by a terrorist attack it won't have an emotional response. It isn't possible.

 

[greg nr]

Okay, fair points but those aren't the same as emotions. Emotional responses are formed partially by experience. A computer cannot experience and form its' emotional responses based upon those experiences in the same way a human can.
For example if you put into a computer that 50 people were killed by a terrorist attack it own't have an emotional response. It isn't possible.

Not possible to express emotions? Sure it is. It's even been done. Now if you said they couldn't "feel" emotions, you would be correct... today. In the future, probably not.

 

[StonerCol]

Not possible to express emotions? Sure it is. It's even been done. Now if you said they couldn't "feel" emotions, you would be correct... today. In the future, probably not.

But they aren't emotions. They have been programmed by a human to have a particular response. Emotions are also determined by physiology which a computer doesn't have. Emotions can only happen within a biological (living) system.

 

[SneekyNinja]

No it doesn't. The human brain is neither digital nor analogue. It works by chemical signals/pathways within neurons. Neurons are either fired or not - which can be likened to digital on or off - but within them are the chemical signals.

Emotions for example aren't simply on or off, they can vary just like electrical current in analogue.

You're missing the point. The emotion is an output, the brain releases chemicals based on the processed input.

But the CNS is entirely electrically controlled.

 

[greg nr]

But they aren't emotions. They have been programmed by a human to have a particular response. Emotions are also determined by physiology which a computer doesn't have.

True, not yet anyway.

But at what point does it really matter? If the angry machine holding a gun on you pulls the trigger in a fit of emotion or programming, you are just as damaged.

As long as you believe the emotions are real, they are. Hell, how many woman (or men) have faked emotions on you and you fell for it? Ever told anyone you loved them convincingly without meaning it?

The most successful politicians have a knack for making you feel like you are the most important person in a room. And everyone in the room feels that way. They call it factor x.

Bottle that up, put it in an attractive robot, and people will be getting married to them.

 

[SneekyNinja]

But they aren't emotions. They have been programmed by a human to have a particular response. Emotions are also determined by physiology which a computer doesn't have. Emotions can only happen within a biological (living) system.

No offense, but youre talking completely out of your ass.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Speak for yourself.

There's nothing wrong with Russia that better government wouldn't be able to solve.

The People must believe it is possible and that's been a long standing problem, going all the way back to the Tzars.

Yeah but that begs the question of why their government sucks balls - pretty much always.

 

[StonerCol]

You're missing the point. The emotion is an output, the brain releases chemicals based on the processed input.

But the CNS is entirely electrically controlled.

I thought your point was that the human brain basically works off 1's and 0's? My point is that it does not.

 

[Flowki]

COMPLETELY backwards; industrialized nations have dropped below replacement level of reproduction when they had PLENTY of all the above, not when there were shortages. Middle class living and security is the proven antidote for overpopulation. Insecurity means people have more kids, because children are the last resort for security.

Please do more reading on the subject.

You are assessing this from the point of view of a world that is owned by fossil fuel monopoly. Think of it from a world of renewable, hopefully natural. Every country at that point has a stake. The worlds wind, solar and water is not limited to where the current war is.. you can't invade every country because they have wind.

 

[StonerCol]

No offense, but youre talking completely out of your ass.

How so? There is nothing incorrect in my statement that you quoted.
Emotion: A mental state that arises spontaneously rather than through conscious effort and is often accompanied by physiological changes; a feeling.
Computers cannot have emotions. Computers need to be programmed. Computer code is constructed and inserted into the chips. That is nothing like the human brain.

 

[SouthCross]

This isn't a bad idea.

The idea has been kicking around for awhile. Most professional blue collar jobs require a liability insurance. If a truck driver rams a bridge and kills people. It's insurance that pays. Same deal with white collar. Especially doctors, dentists, and so forth.

Law Enforcement is the only one that doesn't require it. If an officer messes up. It's the city that pays with the citizens money. There no such thing as a small pay out. The officer demonstrated he or she is a high liability risk. The police union makes sure he's not fired so it doesn't matter. Taxes never stop anyway.

If that individual was required to pay his own liability insurance. His actions would now be answerable to his personal pocket book.

 

[StonerCol]

The idea has been kicking around for awhile. Most professional blue collar jobs require a liability insurance. If a truck driver rams a bridge and kills people. It's insurance that pays. Same deal with white collar. Especially doctors, dentists, and so forth.

Law Enforcement is the only one that doesn't require it. If an officer messes up. It's the city that pays with the citizens money. There no such thing as a small pay out. The officer demonstrated he or she is a high liability risk. The police union makes sure he's not fired so it doesn't matter. Taxes never stop anyway.

If that individual was required to pay his own liability insurance. His actions would now be answerable to his personal pocket book.

Really good idea. And with bodycams used it will act as impartial evidence. If the bodycam is off in a situation then the officer is responsible and his insurance goes up.

 

[SouthCross]

Really good idea. And with bodycams used it will act as impartial evidence. If the bodycam is off in a situation then the officer is responsible and his insurance goes up.

Or becomes un-insurable. He's can't meet the requirements. No more dummy working as a cop.

 

[StonerCol]

Or becomes un-insurable. He's can't meet the requirements. No more dummy working as a cop.

In theory The Right should love this because it brings private business (even more) into law enforcement. Insurance companies can profit from it. The paradox though is that they won't like it when they have no bad cops to shoot innocent black people.

 

[SouthCross]

In theory The Right should love this because it brings private business (even more) into law enforcement. Insurance companies can profit from it. The paradox though is that they won't like it when they have no bad cops to shoot innocent black people.

The right is too busy not questioning things. They see law enforcement through rose colored glasses. For whatever reason, whichever police officer. Insurance will take the slack out the ranks. Negligent actions will self police the police.

 

[MMJ Dreaming 99]

The title says it; police killings accounted for almost 1 in 3 of all homicides in my 'peaceful' county in Colorado.
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My county is NOT poor, it is NOT economically disadvantaged, it is NOT below average in education or income.

WHAT THE FUCK?! Why are cops now the most murderous gangsters on our streets?

I don't know about other places in the country; do a quick search and post your results here.

Discuss.

I know someone who tried for months to find a decent house in your area and the prices were insane. I was up there a few weeks ago near Loveland. I swear the number if people and traffic has doubled in 2 years. There is very little real crime anywhere around there.

I talked to some people who warned me about going to Aurora outside of Denver like it was ghetto. I drove there checking out a licensed grow with a young friend from the East Coast. We laughed at how ghetto is was. Even Colfax and other spots in Denver are tame as hell.

One of the biggest drug issues that is far more serious than pot is heroin/opium which is why we are in Afghnaistan C$I$A$
and another reason why we were in Vietnam. Stupid fake wars for big usiness, bankers and ther elites to get richer.

I know lots of people on the East Coast who knew young people from middle class families who are heroin addicts or died from heroin. I know a great young guy in CO who has a strain that he claims is ideal for helping people kick heroin-opium. talked to people who know active and ex military and the CI$$A is running all the heroin in Afghanistan.

 

[greg nr]

There really isn't any technical reason bodycams can't run all the time and still protect privacy. If you put a button on the cam that encrypts the video for a period of time, it couldn't be viewed without a decryption key, which could be kept deep in department red tape. If an officer ends up in an investigation and turned on privacy mode, the key could be retrieved and the video viewed, otherwise its private.

They wouldn't sell a single camera. As long as police departments handle their own device selection, there will be a real off button, and no negative actions for leaving it off.

Heck, if they can shoot people and get away with woops as an excuse, who is gonna say boo about a cam that was turned off?

 

[UncleBuck]

Make it law that requires police officers to carry personal liability insurance. The premiums will determine who remains in law enforcement. The better they follow the rules. The lower it'll be.

YEP, THE POLICE UNIONS WILL CERTAINLY GO FOR THAT IDEA> WAY TO SOUND LIKE YOU CARE WHILE BEING FIRMLY ON THE SIDE OF COPS, DICK SUCKER