Defoliate at beginning of week 3 of End of Week 3?
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dandyrandy
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Nice job. I still have some timewreck seeds from a couple years ago. I need to put them back in the cycle.
Flowki
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They survived and produced some bud but please do not imply this had no negative effect when you have absolutely no idea if that is true.
CannaBruh
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Please do a side by side and control all variables and disprove any claims made...
My plants THRIVE using these same techniques, and outperform having NOT defoliated over many many runs now. It's not even to question... do it and try for yourself and offer your findings or shut it up please
Flowki
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Please do a side by side and control all variables and disprove any claims made...
My plants THRIVE using these same techniques, and outperform having NOT defoliated over many many runs now. It's not even to question... do it and try for yourself and offer your findings or shut it up please
For every person like you is a person who found the opposite to be true. Both sides have a right to assert opinion, but clearly results are too varied to assert fact, yet. People shown how to top very rarely come back to question it's authenticity. Til you can give that guide on defoliation with the same success rate, keep smoking
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CannaBruh
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For every person like you is a person who found the opposite to be true. Both sides have a right to assert opinion, but clearly results are too varied to assert fact, yet. People shown how to top very rarely come back to question it's authenticity. Til you can give that guide on defoliation with the same success rate, keep smoking
Is it I who fails to give the guide or is it you who fails to attempt it once?
It's not my guide, I only reiterate what has been offered by those better than I... I too was skeptical, until I saw a guy turning out large rooms of beautiful flowers stemming from stripped naked ladies.
This run I have video-documented since day 14 prestrip to current and I will share the results post harvest with my final #s. My goal is to hit 3g/W with defoliating techniques.
Flowki
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Who is the person who showed you?, I'd be interested in seeing the proof that got you hooked on it as I've seen nothing but subjective results over the last 4 years or so. Don't get me mistaken for a second, If it is credible evidence of heavy defoliation (defined as top to bottom fan leaf removal) during flower being of noteworthy gain (ounces rather than grams..) over not heavy defoliating, count me in. Widely accepted growing methods that guarantee results do just that, incremental unquestionable weight gain on initial implementation with subsequent increase with experience.
Removing lower branches or the occasional fan leaf here and there is separate from this topic. Just putting that out there as heavy defoliation has over lapped pruning.
CannaBruh
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This is what convinced me to try it..I watched it over and over. Several runs later I am still doing it.
Shout out to GML for the tech,
The key is to not strip during stretch (induces stress possibly)
Wait til done (usually right on 14 days for me) and then rip n strip.
Shout out to GML for the tech,
The key is to not strip during stretch (induces stress possibly)
Wait til done (usually right on 14 days for me) and then rip n strip.
Flowki
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I watched it and although he has a very good setup and seems like a nice guy it's still a matter of mixed opinion. The problem I have with trying to use full room grows is that one crop will often vary over the next for many different reasons, even if same cuttings. You can't conclusively prove that any negative or positives is down to heavy defoliation alone that way.
As the results and peoples opinions are so hit and miss, that means it genuinely requires multiple consecutive side by sides. At this point you might suggest to do that and it's a fair point. Once all proven methods of weight increase are implemented then multiple side by sides with this may become a reality. Assuming such a thing has not already been done and documented somewhere?. I have seen a few who done one side by side but they didn't do more due to the defoliated side yielding less. Most of the people who defoliate seem to do full grow defoliation's then compare it to the previous crop. Not being bias but that's how it generally panned out.
What interests me the most is how people are so mixed on this topic. Is the difference botany education, lack of growing skill, some vpd/airflow/lighting effects in certain setups that don't apply to others?. It's just odd how people swear so blindly either side of the fence. Most other things have a majority in agreement one way or the other.
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CannaBruh
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You are interested in the dynamics of people having different opinions and not so much the technique itself. Noted.
Have you tried it yet?
Maybe it is YOU who should do the control experiment which you note having failed to find having been done.... then you can come and share some results instead of conjecture.
Try applying this conclusion to religion, or music, or cars, or sexuality.....
I think defoliating or the advantages/disadvantages are dependant on the way you grow your plant. Leafs however do not take nutrients or "leach" energy, a leaf is the plants solar panel. A leaf takes in gasses and creates sugars for the plant to grow. A leaf either works for the plant or (when not catching light) does "nothing".
Leafs however can obstruct airflow which can give disease issues.
What many people tend to forget is that when in need a plant cannabilises itself, starting with it's least important parts, in the flower stage, that's the lower leafs... so those are her buffer when you f*ck something up..
If one doesn't want popcorn buds just remove the lower nodes.. if they don't reach the cannopy they're not worth the energy the plant puts in if you'd ask me. This way the plant can focus it's energy on it's big buds and you open up the plant to put those lower leaves to work, supporting your big buds in the cannopy.
I'd say the gear u you use and the way you shape your plants during vedge determine if you can take advantage of the lower leafs or are just as well off just cutting them off.
I only take off two leafs per plant per cycle, the two fan leafs that shade my two main colas after topping, that opens her up enough to let 4 colas pass through the center of the plant, the two below those four go along the "outside" making all 6 reach the top of the cannopy before the flower stretch is over so they all get some serious lighting to fatten up and airflow so I don't have budrot issues. I take the bottom two nodes clean off before starting the flower lighting. I grow sativa's and indicas in the same box and by the looks of them you couldn't tell them apart... (Except of course by the leafs, which I leave on
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I feel that if you interfere with your plants natural way off things you should have a very deep and profound understanding of the how and why, cause and effect on a molecular level so to say, don't do shit because people on the internet do it too..
Peace !
Leafs however can obstruct airflow which can give disease issues.
What many people tend to forget is that when in need a plant cannabilises itself, starting with it's least important parts, in the flower stage, that's the lower leafs... so those are her buffer when you f*ck something up..
If one doesn't want popcorn buds just remove the lower nodes.. if they don't reach the cannopy they're not worth the energy the plant puts in if you'd ask me. This way the plant can focus it's energy on it's big buds and you open up the plant to put those lower leaves to work, supporting your big buds in the cannopy.
I'd say the gear u you use and the way you shape your plants during vedge determine if you can take advantage of the lower leafs or are just as well off just cutting them off.
I only take off two leafs per plant per cycle, the two fan leafs that shade my two main colas after topping, that opens her up enough to let 4 colas pass through the center of the plant, the two below those four go along the "outside" making all 6 reach the top of the cannopy before the flower stretch is over so they all get some serious lighting to fatten up and airflow so I don't have budrot issues. I take the bottom two nodes clean off before starting the flower lighting. I grow sativa's and indicas in the same box and by the looks of them you couldn't tell them apart... (Except of course by the leafs, which I leave on
)I feel that if you interfere with your plants natural way off things you should have a very deep and profound understanding of the how and why, cause and effect on a molecular level so to say, don't do shit because people on the internet do it too..
Peace !
CannaBruh
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but what if the people on the internet are onto something? I don't need to understand how tires are made to operate an automobile in some manner that adds value to my life so why would i need to understand how a plant works on a molecular level to extract value from some method found from some other internet person?
Flowki
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The technique interests me in itself. When incremental yield increase on other accepted improvements cease and a consistent dialed in weight arises, then it's time to experiment with the less than proven methods, but that's my way of thinking.
Your next comments are what interest me on a psychological level. Are people doing the technique wrong or are people seeing what they want to see. With little to no evidence it is literally a psychology exercise in working out peoples assertion of fact from belief.
So from that, why is it ME who needs to go do this when the many people advocating it works have not posted conclusive evidence or widely accepted guides on it?. Head over to the advanced section and the 4 sticky there are tried and tested. They may all vary in results but they all increase yield over untouched plants in most indoor situations. Why is it the heavy defoliation method is not a sticky?. Many other methods also do not have a sticky but they are widely accepted to work or widely accepted to not work. For example, climate control is widely accepted, topping buds is not.
The lack of guides or evidence aside. Can YOU as an advocate of this technique suggest a yield increase % from defoliating a plant over leaving a plant entirely untouched?. Can you then estimate a % increase over defoliating a topped plant over not defoliating a topped plant. In context, a full defoliation of 90%+ of all fan leaves at 14 days into flower (or what ever you deem the correct timing) as is suggested by such growers.
To add some form of base line here, I can say with reasonable certainty that topping a plant will give almost every grower at-least 10% yield increase. As this is true, topping is widely accepted for yield increase, hence the uncontested sticky.
You can give a personal estimate or a generally accepted figure among defoliation advocates.
CannaBruh
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this is your construct and assumption, which is... you have no evidence or little evidence, it is others who offer but you continue with conjecture.. carry on
my video series will be out in a few months, take what you will from it or ignore I will continue on regardless, some will take value from it implement strategies and be rewarded, others will continue doing what they do and be happy with it
i do my own research and any data is proprietary, if you're not interested in experimenting and submitting your data then I don't know what else to tell you, i have nothing to gain by you stripping or not stripping your plants.
a mongo frog
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Yea but what about TJ and Might Mouse?!?!
CannaBruh
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dude i was seriously confused by this lolol yea great fight... i think mouse might be too much for TJ
macsnax
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Sorry if I missed... where will I be able to find your videos?
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