Organic no till, probiotic, knf, jadam, vermicomposting, soil mixes, sips etc... Q & A

hyroot

hyroot

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Lightgreen2k said:
When speaking to Mountain organics He said I had it right on point. Add a few patatoe skins / carrots skins through the mix so your worms could have food.

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I mean do you disagree with Mountain Organics. I'm doing the same process?
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He's talking about cover crops, neem and kelp to feed the worms with not carrots and potatoe skins. Potatoe skins have too much starch to feed the worms
 
DonTesla

DonTesla

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hyroot said:
@DonTesla use both neem and karanja oil and alternate. You have to switch up foliars for ipm for them to work. For the cake / meal, build a soil sells a mixed bag of neem cake and karanja cake.

When buying neem oil or cake make sure it's Ahimsa Indian Neem. Not that watered down crap like einstein or dyna gro. The down to earth brand neem seed meal isn't organic. It's sourced from farms in China with low to no quality standards.

For my ipm I spray every other day. neem, citrus ferment, labs, karanja, essential oils, repeat.

Predator insects are good too
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@hyroot,

right on, man. yeah, I was aware of the importance of sourcing from India, and going vegan / organic, but are you saying there can be bad organic neem from India, or what does ahimsa mean to you if you dont mind me clarifying. In other words, why is it more important to get Ahimsa vs organic cold pressed virgin, for example.

(If you happen to know of a large reputable importer out of India that would be the bees knees, I cannot get from BAS up here and we need to start bringing in much higher bulk amounts that are just as high quality for the compost operation)

I like the ipm regime, though, definitely best to switch it up, ya man, agreed. You spray neem and such during full on flower and all, or stop at 2 weeks in or so and switch to bio predators?

speaking of which I'm a fan of 'em as well.. although some go into diapause during flower, so one just has to pick and choose the right type based on whether one is in veg or flower, or running high or low humidity.

that said, what are your thoughts on insect frass, you ever try any and compare a few kinds by chance?

Thanks for the replies..
Have a good weekend, dude
 
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RandomHero8913

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DonTesla said:
@hyroot,

right on, man. yeah, I was aware of the importance of sourcing from India, and going vegan / organic, but are you saying there can be bad organic neem from India, or what does ahimsa mean to you if you dont mind me clarifying. In other words, why is it more important to get Ahimsa vs organic cold pressed virgin, for example.

(If you happen to know of a large reputable importer out of India that would be the bees knees, I cannot get from BAS up here and we need to start bringing in much higher bulk amounts that are just as high quality for the compost operation)

I like the ipm regime, though, definitely best to switch it up, ya man, agreed. You spray neem and such during full on flower and all, or stop at 2 weeks in or so and switch to bio predators?

speaking of which I'm a fan of 'em as well.. although some go into diapause during flower, so one just has to pick and choose the right type based on whether one is in veg or flower, or running high or low humidity.

that said, what are your thoughts on insect frass, you ever try any and compare a few kinds by chance?

Thanks for the replies..
Have a good weekend, dude
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There can be bad Organic anything. Ahimsa has been a reputable resource for sometime now.
Chat it up with the neem lady and see if she can help you out.

Contact: Usha Rao
The Ahimsa Alternative, Inc.
Bloomington, MN 55437
952-943-9449 Tel
877-873-6336 Toll Free
866-211-5460 Toll Free Fax
neemlady@neemresource.com
 
OrganicGorilla

OrganicGorilla

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Hey @hyroot. I’m currently growing in organic amended soil and I’m interested in trying out No Till my next round with it. What if anything do I top dress with and how much for 5 Gallon pots?

Here’s a list of what I currently have in my soil and what I have available to reamend with :
Fish Meal, Crab Meal, Kelp Meal, Alfalfa Meal, Neem Seed Meal, Oyster Shell Flour, Langbeinite, Insect Frass, Nitrogen Bat Guano, Seabird Guano, Glacial Rock Dust, Garden Gypsum, Rock Phosphate, Biochar and EWC

Thanks for any info
 
hyroot

hyroot

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GrowGorilla said:
Hey @hyroot. I’m currently growing in organic amended soil and I’m interested in trying out No Till my next round with it. What if anything do I top dress with and how much for 5 Gallon pots?

Here’s a list of what I currently have in my soil and what I have available to reamend with :
Fish Meal, Crab Meal, Kelp Meal, Alfalfa Meal, Neem Seed Meal, Oyster Shell Flour, Langbeinite, Insect Frass, Nitrogen Bat Guano, Seabird Guano, Glacial Rock Dust, Garden Gypsum, Rock Phosphate, Biochar and EWC

Thanks for any info
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Thats a quite a bit of overkill. You dont need the guano, alfalfa and fish meal with everything else thats in there.

Just top dress some castings and replant in the pots. Add some worms to your pots too.

Fyi eventually you should up your pot size. No till works best with large pots. 15 gal minimum unless you're running sips then you can get away with less soil.
 
OrganicGorilla

OrganicGorilla

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hyroot said:
Thats a quite a bit of overkill. You dont need the guano, alfalfa and fish meal with everything else thats in there.

Just top dress some castings and replant in the pots. Add some worms to your pots too.

Fyi eventually you should up your pot size. No till works best with large pots. 15 gal minimum unless you're running sips then you can get away with less soil.
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Will a No Till still work without cover crops? Not really wanting to plant cover crops.
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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hyroot said:
He's talking about cover crops, neem and kelp to feed the worms with not carrots and potatoe skins. Potatoe skins have too much starch to feed the worms
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Worms will eat potato skins, it just takes longer for them to decompose into a form that is digestible.
 
DonBrennon

DonBrennon

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Couple of questions for ya, if ya don't mind Mr 'Root...........

a. How do you apply your ferments with the sips? Are you adding them to the res' or top watering them?


b. I've got a lacto culture that's been sat in it's brewing vessel for about 4 months(Totally forgot about the fecker). Everything still looks as it should, ie separate liquid and curds, and it doesn't look to be contaminated in any way. What do ya reckon? down the pan? or save the liquid and feed the curd to the worms?
 
hyroot

hyroot

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DonBrennon said:
Couple of questions for ya, if ya don't mind Mr 'Root...........

a. How do you apply your ferments with the sips? Are you adding them to the res' or top watering them?


b. I've got a lacto culture that's been sat in it's brewing vessel for about 4 months(Totally forgot about the fecker). Everything still looks as it should, ie separate liquid and curds, and it doesn't look to be contaminated in any way. What do ya reckon? down the pan? or save the liquid and feed the curd to the worms?
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I add a splash of labs and flower power in the resi once a week or when I refill the resi. Then I top feed flower power once a week and top feed labs once every 10 days.

I would dump the 4 month curd. The whey probably went bad. Start over. It only takes 2 weeks to separate
 
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Greenthumbs256

Greenthumbs256

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Here's my big problem Im already using living organics but I reamend my soil every time, most my girls are in between 3 and 7 gal smart pots. I want to do a no till just for 2 mothers. But I may only be able to do them in 10g at most. Can I make it work in 10s
 
Greenthumbs256

Greenthumbs256

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And also is this considered hydro or soil I'm very confused with this technique. I see the plant sits in soil but also has a res. Do you ever top water, do you have worms in your pot? Sorry about all the questions I just read some really great info in this thread. And now I'm intrigued to learn more about how you guys do this
 
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