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Dynamo626

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fractured. you used to own a hydro store in ca. why would you sell it? ca has more people growing even than colorado does. why sell a busness that is associated with one of the fastest growing industries in the us. looking at your other posts i see you also make wild assumptions and name calling abought every single person that disagrees with you. you also clain to have been an hvac tek. did you make enough from that to buy and stock a hydro store or did you sell the store to get a job doing ac?
the difference in us is when i read something here i dont agree with i double check my information if i am wrong ill consed the point and thank the person for giving me better information. most recently to dr who and mishigan med grower. you however resort to calling names and being a regular troll. tired of arguing gave my advice which i still stand by. if you have any more questions calicode then pm me. i however am done with this thred
 

Calicode

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fractured. you used to own a hydro store in ca. why would you sell it? ca has more people growing even than colorado does. why sell a busness that is associated with one of the fastest growing industries in the us. looking at your other posts i see you also make wild assumptions and name calling abought every single person that disagrees with you. you also clain to have been an hvac tek. did you make enough from that to buy and stock a hydro store or did you sell the store to get a job doing ac?
the difference in us is when i read something here i dont agree with i double check my information if i am wrong ill consed the point and thank the person for giving me better information. most recently to dr who and mishigan med grower. you however resort to calling names and being a regular troll. tired of arguing gave my advice which i still stand by. if you have any more questions calicode then pm me. i however am done with this thred
Will do bro. I tried to calm it down before it went left.
 

Fractured but whole

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fractured. you used to own a hydro store in ca. why would you sell it? ca has more people growing even than colorado does. why sell a busness that is associated with one of the fastest growing industries in the us. looking at your other posts i see you also make wild assumptions and name calling abought every single person that disagrees with you. you also clain to have been an hvac tek. did you make enough from that to buy and stock a hydro store or did you sell the store to get a job doing ac?
the difference in us is when i read something here i dont agree with i double check my information if i am wrong ill consed the point and thank the person for giving me better information. most recently to dr who and mishigan med grower. you however resort to calling names and being a regular troll. tired of arguing gave my advice which i still stand by. if you have any more questions calicode then pm me. i however am done with this thred
bye nutrient sales guy. I am very talented and you are very triggered,LOL, so much so, you went on a post hunt.
 

andy s

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Also the soil is dry before I water. I have a dry meter as well. The water pools up a little bit every time I water. Which would indicate that it's dry enough correct? I'm asking because this is my first grow.
dry yes, airated enough, no. it shouldnt really pool up add more perlite to your mix for better drainage
 

andy s

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Really? Never used anything but distilled water never even herd of a clasic sign of distilled water lol. There is plenty enough calcium in ffof alone with no nutes under weak lights ( again no offence) my first grow was with happy frog under a 90w led then my second 360w led in ffof again no problem. Experienced my first deficiency my 3rd grow under 468w led in ffof. Those are actual draws on power.
The 360w led is the same as a 450w hps
The 468w led is the same as 600w hps
i use ffof and have to add calmag to my plants every grow
 

andy s

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bottom line, distilled doesn't belong in the garden and it caused the same issues in your plants as others that have used it. The other diagnosis was wrong and a massive flushing was wrong. so, now you are on R/o, you still need to figure out if your nute line has enough cal/mag in it so you can determine if you need to supplement or not.
distilled water has absolutely nothing to do with any deficiency period. if you ph and add the correct nutes youll be fine. given your conditions are in check as well. provide proof with a source and ill read it, if not show me a degree lol bc thats the craziest thing ive ever heard.
 

Fractured but whole

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distilled water has absolutely nothing to do with any deficiency period. if you ph and add the correct nutes youll be fine. given your conditions are in check as well. provide proof with a source and ill read it, if not show me a degree lol bc thats the craziest thing ive ever heard.
I posted a few threads about distilled water, those are just a few, I could post them all day long. If you put back the cal mag it strips out, then yes it will work fine. BUT, if your nutes are low in cal/mag and you don't supplement, you will get a deficiency. I have seen it hundreds of times. that is proof enough for me.
 

Fractured but whole

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Distilled Water For Plants: What You Need To Know
December 19, 2014


Water is everywhere, so it all must be the same, right?

Wrong.

You might be using tap water for your garden and wondering if there’s a better option, or already using some other type of water (distilled, reverse osmosis, etc).

Regardless, as a gardener you can know a lot about plants, nutrients, and growth cycles and miss out on one of the most important ingredients…

The water you are using to nurture your plants.

Not All Water is Created Equal
In fact, some water isn’t good to use in the garden at all. It’s time to drop some knowledge about “the essential ingredient,” and I figured we’d start with a commonly discussed topic: distilled water.

What is Distillation?
The process of separating a liquid into the substances that make it up. By using the processes of evaporation and condensation, it’s possible to separate a liquid almost perfectly into its component parts.

Also called steam-distilled water, this type of water is put through a heating and evaporation process which removes the following from your water:

  • Bacteria
  • Parasites
  • Viruses
  • Organic chemicals
  • Inorganic chemicals
  • Heavy metals
  • Volatile gases
  • Other contaminants
You are left with something very close to pure water, a clean, natural, and healthy water. Water that is distilled via the steam method is the benchmark that all other types of water purification are measured by.

How To Make Distilled Water
It’s pretty simple to make distilled water at home if you’re the DIY type, but keep in mind you can also buy distilled water from the store for relatively cheap.

Sure, you’re paying for water that you can just get from your tap, but if you’re concerned about your tap water (which you should at least look into), then it can be a good option.

You can also buy a water distiller if you want to go high-tech.


Waterwise 8800 Water Distiller Purifier (Water Wise) Distill
  • Distiller
  • Clean Water
  • Purified Water
  • Waterwise
  • Water Wise
$399.00
Buy on Amazon
Here’s how to do it:

If you don’t care to watch the video:

  • Fill a stainless steel pot with a quarter inch of tap water
  • Put a heat-resistant glass bowl in the pot so it floats.
  • Take a glass lid, turn it upside down, and add ice on top.
  • Turn on stove until water in the pot starts to boil.
  • Once it starts boiling, turn down to a simmer.
  • Add more ice to the lid if it melts.
Continue the process until you get enough distilled water as you need.

The water in the pot heats up and evaporates, but then hits the cold lid and condensates. It then drips into your bowl and voila! You’re left with pure water.

Using Distilled Water To Grow Plants
Just because you are working with pure water doesn’t mean that your plants are going to thrive. You need to consider a few other factors:

pH
Perfectly distilled water usually ends up with a pH of 7, which is neutral. However, some plants like a lower pH, especially when you consider the concept of nutrient lockout.

Nutrient Deficiency
If you’re growing hydroponically, you might run into a calcium or magnesium deficiency if you use distilled water. Because the primary culprits of hard water are calcium and magnesium, going with distilled means you remove them completely.

But plants need a little bit of each to thrive, and a lot of hydroponic nutrients don’t have enough.

Recommendation: Use a supplement like Cal-Mag to make sure you don’t run into these deficiencies.


Hopefully some light has been shined on what distilled water is and how it fits into your gardening plans! Let me know if you have any experiences using it to grow your plants in the comments.
 

Fractured but whole

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now, if you go back and look at his original problem.
calicode said:
To my defense they were wilting and turning yellow before I started with the nutes. And they've started back turning healthy green. I may need to just use a little bit after not using any for a few waters
he wasn't feeding them, then fed them, but not cal/mag as directed and he was using distilled water. So was his problem N tox or a cal/mag def? I am pretty positive it wasn't N tox just from the pics he posted.
 

Calicode

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now, if you go back and look at his original problem.
he wasn't feeding them, then fed them, but not cal/mag as directed and he was using distilled water. So was his problem N tox or a cal/mag def? I am pretty positive it wasn't N tox just from the pics he posted.
I believe it was a mix of both. Fox farm doesn't need nutes for at least 4 weeks. My ph was off and I over fed them. And they needed cal mag. Everywhere else that I looked suggested N Tox. Good thing is that they look much better now lol. Thanks again!
 

Lucky Luke

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distilled water has absolutely nothing to do with any deficiency period. if you ph and add the correct nutes youll be fine. given your conditions are in check as well. provide proof with a source and ill read it, if not show me a degree lol bc thats the craziest thing ive ever heard.
You should get out more,
 

Lucky Luke

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I believe it was a mix of both. Fox farm doesn't need nutes for at least 4 weeks. My ph was off and I over fed them. And they needed cal mag. Everywhere else that I looked suggested N Tox. Good thing is that they look much better now lol. Thanks again!
Rollitup is a wealth of info, You will soon pick up on the players who you should always listen to. You don't have to agree with them but they should be listened to. Two of those posted on the first page.
 

andy s

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distilled water again isnt causing the issue, if nutes are added, and the correct nutes your plant needs, then the water is not the issue its the grower not giving his plants what they need
 
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