Add nutrients during every feeding?

[Dynamo626]

absorbed by the roots and transported to the leaves. So what’s at play here? Once again it’s the role of the Capsarian strip and endodermis coming into play and excluding the uptake of almost all of the amino acid solution fed to the plants. Amino acid supplementation does work to a minor extent – as some, but very few, of those root fed amino acids are absorbed by the plant. The exciting thing is that even that tiny amount that is absorbed positively affects the growth and development of plants.

So what did we learn?
Only simple sugars are absorbed by the plant root system. And only a very small amount of any amino acids supplied will ever be taken up by your plant’s root system. So what does that mean? Are carboyhydrate and amino acid producs a waste of your time? No – not exactly. Even when a small amount of amino acids are absorbed by the plant, we can get some positive effects. The simple sugars in your carbohydrate products do get absorbed. Others form a good source of food for beneficial bacteria in your root zone. So there are some benefits from using these types of products – just probably not to the degree that some of us may have hoped.
Feeding your plants carbohydrate and amino supplements is not a waste of your time or money – in fact many of those simple and complex carbohydrates serve as food for the friendly bacteria and fungi in your root zone. But don’t forget that your plant’s roots constantly exude simple and complex, carbohydrates, amino acids and proteins into the rhizospere and that those exudates serve as food and growth promoting compounds for many of the beneficial bacteria, fungi and micro organisms present in your plant’s rhizoshpere.

 

[Dynamo626]

Root exudates are commonly divided into two classes. Low-molecular weight compounds – such as amino acids, organic acids, sugars, and other secondary metabolites and high molecular weight exudates – such as mucilage (polysaccharides or complex carbs) and proteins. The rhizospheric bacteria and fungi return the favor, in a symbiotic relationship, by breaking down complex products in the rhizosphere into ionic forms the plant can absorb as well as excreting protein and secondary signalling molecules of their own that benefit the plant by increasing its rate of growth and development.
In fact, much or all of the apparent success of carbohydrate and amino acids products are due to this inadvertent power feeding of your root zone friendlies and the symbiotic benefits they return to your plants.

The Future of Carbohydrate and Amino Acids?
Biochemists and plant researchers around the world are conducting research into methods of delivering carbohydrates and or amino acids directly into the plant in large or precisely controlled amounts. We are conducting research on developing radical new delivery methods for compounds that are otherwise impossible to deliver to plants in a controlled or effective manner. Techniques such as bio and nano encapsulation technologies are currently being pursued and developed – the promise of these techniques is huge. They could allow things like complex carbohydrates and amino acids to be delivered to your plants as they need them.

 

[ANC]

To translate, plants drink, plants piss.
Part of why watering with runoff is good as it flushes the shit out when you are not running organic.

 

[andy s]

Root exudates are commonly divided into two classes. Low-molecular weight compounds – such as amino acids, organic acids, sugars, and other secondary metabolites and high molecular weight exudates – such as mucilage (polysaccharides or complex carbs) and proteins. The rhizospheric bacteria and fungi return the favor, in a symbiotic relationship, by breaking down complex products in the rhizosphere into ionic forms the plant can absorb as well as excreting protein and secondary signalling molecules of their own that benefit the plant by increasing its rate of growth and development.
In fact, much or all of the apparent success of carbohydrate and amino acids products are due to this inadvertent power feeding of your root zone friendlies and the symbiotic benefits they return to your plants.

The Future of Carbohydrate and Amino Acids?
Biochemists and plant researchers around the world are conducting research into methods of delivering carbohydrates and or amino acids directly into the plant in large or precisely controlled amounts. We are conducting research on developing radical new delivery methods for compounds that are otherwise impossible to deliver to plants in a controlled or effective manner. Techniques such as bio and nano encapsulation technologies are currently being pursued and developed – the promise of these techniques is huge. They could allow things like complex carbohydrates and amino acids to be delivered to your plants as they need them.

so are you saying they do or dont? bc you said its a waste and they cant it was bull and posted and article stating they do?

 

[Dynamo626]

Ummmm the plants uptake through ion exchange they literaly take what they need from solution

 

[andy s]

Ummmm the plants uptake through ion exchange they literaly take what they need from solution

so what is your point do they uptake it or do they not? is it a waste of money and a fake product as you claim

 

[Dynamo626]

I stayed that little to no sugar is brought up through the roots the rest feeds microbes

 

[andy s]

obviously the answer is no man.. shit works plants use it and uptake it just the same as any other fucking nute bro. they take what they need

 

[andy s]

I stayed that little to no sugar is brought up through the roots the rest feeds microbes

you also said it was a bs product basically that they dont or cant use it and that it was a waste of money

 

[Dynamo626]

oh and honey chomb also that is microbe food if ya have it already it wont hurt any to use it and the microbes will love it

Show me whate i said it is a waste of money and said not to use it?
Dont know whare all the hate comes from today. I even show whare i got my information from. Show me a study showing different and i will consede and thank you for showing me whare i am wrong

 

[Dynamo626]

obviously the answer is no man.. shit works plants use it and uptake it just the same as any other fucking nute bro. they take what they need

Yes the do take what they need. From what i have read whare it comes to sugar it is very little

 

[andy s]

Honey chome is just sugar. The lable clames to be a flavor and aroma enhancer. Studdies have shown that no complex and very very little simple sugar is pulled in through the roots. So little in fact that it is a waste of money to feed sugar to plants with the hope that your product will be sweeter. Sugar does in fact feed the microbes. As for king kola it is fairly weak in terms of npk. Would think a full dose wouldnt hurt anything and certanly wount add enough nitrogen to contribute to tox. Only 2 ppm of nitrogen per 5 mil in a gallon. With your lighting i dont know how much good it will do. Maby on your next grow do a side by side half with king kola half with out. Then you can see if it is worth the money to add

did you not type this? it clearly states that it is a waste of money in your opinion

 

[andy s]

Show me whate i said it is a waste of money and said not to use it?
Dont know whare all the hate comes from today. I even show whare i got my information from. Show me a study showing different and i will consede and thank you for showing me whare i am wrong

if you were a plant would you want to uptake radioactive material?... come on now that was a bogus trial that wasnt even marijuana.. i just felt like we were arguing and ive had very litle sleep in the past day and a half so i got irritated when even the post you had sourced was saying they did uptake it as we were saying and you were saying it didnt happen basically and it was a waste of money

 

[andy s]

Show me whate i said it is a waste of money and said not to use it?
Dont know whare all the hate comes from today. I even show whare i got my information from. Show me a study showing different and i will consede and thank you for showing me whare i am wrong

sorry for being shitty man i shouldnt act like that we are all trying to learn and it was just a debate i took it the wrong way

 

[Dynamo626]

The article states that only simple sugar us brought up and then only little. I stated that using sugar does not change the way your flowers taste or smell as the lable says it does. Just like flora nectar isnt going to make your flowers fruity. That is the nutrient companies praying on gardeners. It is only a waste if money if you are buying it for that purpous. I have been reading other articles and you are right different plants use different amounts of sugar. Soybeans use lots of sugar. Corn it seems dosnt use any. Cant find a study just on cannabis plants and sugar

 

[andy s]

The article states that only simple sugar us brought up and then only little. I stated that using sugar does not change the way your flowers taste or smell as the lable says it does. Just like flora nectar isnt going to make your flowers fruity. That is the nutrient companies praying on gardeners. It is only a waste if money if you are buying it for that purpous. I have been reading other articles and you are right different plants use different amounts of sugar. Soybeans use lots of sugar. Corn it seems dosnt use any. Cant find a study just on cannabis plants and sugar

the main reason alone that i feel honeycomb does effect aroma, not taste i dont think it claims that i think it says it enhances the aroma, but my clones or seedlings never really smelled a whole lot, when i used it i could smell them when i walked into my room (they were in the closet) ive grown for years with the same strains and know exactly what they like and what they smell like or how they should be growing lol spent alot of time studying themm using different lines ect. compared to cyco, jacks, organic, emerald harvest made them smell better/stinkier. i get a lot of products do that shit for marketing and its basically a bunch of nothing in a bottle they charge good money for. but this stuff i like, my plants have never been so green and hardly/lush, the aroma was truly better, they grew shorter and more squaty which i like since i super crop top defoliate a lot ect when i train my plants so i like smaller bushier plants in my style of growing. the only product ive found that changes the taste of a plant besides the whole nutrient line itself was bud candy by an and it just makes things taste the same almost no matter the strain so i dont use it for that reason but it too works. all my tests are run in soil i mix. and i use tap.

 

[andy s]

also, i use my sugars mainly for a nice boost in resin production. ive used other lines and additives on these strains and the honeycomb does increase resin production. so in return you also have a better terp profile id think. ive grow without it and grew with it and it works. same as cfl lights 6500k increases trichs along side an hps the 2700k bulbs didnt do as well with increased production of the trichs but also theyre slightly lower lumen i feel it was simply the 6500k bulbs themselves

 

[andy s]

i also feel that some nutrient companies break up their line into so many bottles so you have more control and they make more money in return your plants arent always gonna need the same things different strains or one might be the same strain but need more mag or whatever the case may be and you can add that or increase whatever you want. on side note the bottle could just be bs. but the plant needs more than just npk and trace minerals i think and they try to put it in a bottle. but no matter what, i think we can all agree on one thing and thats that you cant put sunshine in a bottle it give the plant so much that we cant it allows the plant to do so much we cant

 

[Dynamo626]

I have only grow thc bomb the last couple years i havent noticed any change in aroma you say potato i say potato lol. Maby it does enhance aroma but if so i dont think its that product i think it is the sugar feeding the microbes making a better enviroment and thus a better product. The only other sugar product i have used is trinity by roots organic. Yes we were arguing but the first thing you said tonight is im full of shit so ya makes one a bit defensive. I dont know why we are arguing. Our advice to him is the same we both say keep using king kola. I just added that it if fairly weak in tearms of npk adding only 62 ppm and only 2 ppm of that is nitrogen so it wont contribute to his nit tox. We both also said to keep with the honey chomb because it feeds the microbes which feed the plant. I just added that little of the sugar is brought in through the roots.
I use sugar just for microbe food because of this i feel honey chomb is over priced and the chart asks fo a lot of it.

 

[Dynamo626]

also, i use my sugars mainly for a nice boost in resin production. ive used other lines and additives on these strains and the honeycomb does increase resin production. so in return you also have a better terp profile id think. ive grow without it and grew with it and it works. same as cfl lights 6500k increases trichs along side an hps the 2700k bulbs didnt do as well with increased production of the trichs but also theyre slightly lower lumen i feel it was simply the 6500k bulbs themselves

Maby it does increas trics maby not would have to see a side by side with lab testing to be convinced. Maby because i sell nutes in the store im just over critical of clames made on the bottle and automaticly assume they are lies untill im proven different. If i cant find it in a study i discount it as marketing lies. It may be that because i already use a product that increases oil production that i dont notice the honeycomb doing it to. May need to do a run with honeychomb and no crystal burst but then i would need to buy another bottle and i already have the cyco line for my next run. I guess next month i will be arguing abought suga rush lol