It's Easier To Ask For Forgiveness, Than Beg For Permission..

[schuylaar]

If a person or group of people assigns you a debt for things you never agreed to or had any real ability to decline, do you fell obligated to pay it ?

i think we've had epiphany rob..hell no.

 

[ttystikk]

If a person or group of people assigns you a debt for things you never agreed to or had any real ability to decline, do you fell obligated to pay it ?

'No taxation without representation.'

Unless you live in Washington DC or Puerto Rico.

 

[Rob Roy]

That's just it. How do you decide you don't need to pay for your benefiting from the nation's security and infrastructure? You're using a public utility right now- electricity. You're not (very) worried about being shot at. You drove to the store and got clean, nutritious food.

Why do you think you shouldn't have to contribute to the stability and security that makes all these things possible?

The answer isn't NO government; that's the Royal road to tyranny.

The answer is BETTER government, so everyone can enjoy the maximum benefits of a stable society to the greatest extent.

Your Utopia might have worked 1000 years ago in a primitive, remote location. But then you wouldn't have a full belly, be able to chat on the interwebs, get to an emergency room or sleep without worry of being robbed by thugs or eaten by bears.

Maybe you should go live in a third world country for awhile. What your taxes buy might be a lot clearer if you did.

So, you still won't answer my question? Is it because it reveals something you would prefer to ignore?


Your conflated avoid my question answer = "when we use threats of force to get people to comply with our ideas, we have to do it "better" .

So how do you make a threat not a threat by asking nicely ?


Your cognitive dissonance amuses me.

 

[Rob Roy]

'No taxation without representation.'

Unless you live in Washington DC or Puerto Rico.

Flaccid response. It's an appeal to tradition, but doesn't answer my question.

Why are you afraid to admit that your "utopia" has a main feature based in some people being able to use offensive force as a means ?

 

[schuylaar]

That's just it. How do you decide you don't need to pay for your benefiting from the nation's security and infrastructure? You're using a public utility right now- electricity. You're not (very) worried about being shot at. You drove to the store and got clean, nutritious food.

Why do you think you shouldn't have to contribute to the stability and security that makes all these things possible?

The answer isn't NO government; that's the Royal road to tyranny.

The answer is BETTER government, so everyone can enjoy the maximum benefits of a stable society to the greatest extent.

Your Utopia might have worked 1000 years ago in a primitive, remote location. But then you wouldn't have a full belly, be able to chat on the interwebs, get to an emergency room or sleep without worry of being robbed by thugs or eaten by bears.

Maybe you should go live in a third world country for awhile. What your taxes buy might be a lot clearer if you did.

our country gets robbed in in off-shore..whats higher than trillions? i'm not worried about the few measly thousands..survival of the fittest still applies- now more than ever.

If any collection action by the IRS would force a tax debtor into a financial crisis, theIRS cannot collect the back taxes. Taxpayers that have the resources to pay only a partial amount of their tax debt can apply for the IRS government payment plan called an Offer in Compromise (OIC) to resolve the remaining amount.Aug 4, 2017
What is the IRS Debt Forgiveness Program? - Tax Defense Network
https://www.taxdefensenetwork.com/blog/what-is-the-irs-debt-forgiveness-program/

 

[schuylaar]

That's just it. How do you decide you don't need to pay for your benefiting from the nation's security and infrastructure? You're using a public utility right now- electricity. You're not (very) worried about being shot at. You drove to the store and got clean, nutritious food.

Why do you think you shouldn't have to contribute to the stability and security that makes all these things possible?

The answer isn't NO government; that's the Royal road to tyranny.

The answer is BETTER government, so everyone can enjoy the maximum benefits of a stable society to the greatest extent.

Your Utopia might have worked 1000 years ago in a primitive, remote location. But then you wouldn't have a full belly, be able to chat on the interwebs, get to an emergency room or sleep without worry of being robbed by thugs or eaten by bears.

Maybe you should go live in a third world country for awhile. What your taxes buy might be a lot clearer if you did.

how do you decide? when you end up homeless? some people prefer a roof, bed and clean water..a bathroom. our good citizens need to stop sleeping in their cars as a way of making ends meet..to catch-up on the bills.

people who have a job should not be homeless.

 

[SneekyNinja]

That's just it. How do you decide you don't need to pay for your benefiting from the nation's security and infrastructure? You're using a public utility right now- electricity. You're not (very) worried about being shot at. You drove to the store and got clean, nutritious food.

Why do you think you shouldn't have to contribute to the stability and security that makes all these things possible?

The answer isn't NO government; that's the Royal road to tyranny.

The answer is BETTER government, so everyone can enjoy the maximum benefits of a stable society to the greatest extent.

Your Utopia might have worked 1000 years ago in a primitive, remote location. But then you wouldn't have a full belly, be able to chat on the interwebs, get to an emergency room or sleep without worry of being robbed by thugs or eaten by bears.

Maybe you should go live in a third world country for awhile. What your taxes buy might be a lot clearer if you did.

I don't like to agree with you, it's so wrong...

But well said.

 

[SneekyNinja]

our country gets robbed in in off-shore..whats higher than trillions? i'm not worried about the few measly thousands..survival of the fittest still applies- now more than ever.

If any collection action by the IRS would force a tax debtor into a financial crisis, theIRS cannot collect the back taxes. Taxpayers that have the resources to pay only a partial amount of their tax debt can apply for the IRS government payment plan called an Offer in Compromise (OIC) to resolve the remaining amount.Aug 4, 2017
What is the IRS Debt Forgiveness Program? - Tax Defense Network
https://www.taxdefensenetwork.com/blog/what-is-the-irs-debt-forgiveness-program/

No, just no.

Please stop...

You're missing one key word..."bankruptcy".

 

[ttystikk]

So, you still won't answer my question? Is it because it reveals something you would prefer to ignore?


Your conflated avoid my question answer = "when we use threats of force to get people to comply with our ideas, we have to do it "better" .

So how do you make a threat not a threat by asking nicely ?


Your cognitive dissonance amuses me.

No, because you want ignore everything society offers you.

 

[ttystikk]

I don't like to agree with you, it's so wrong...

But well said.

We should all work harder at finding common ground. It's a lot more productive than being at each other's throats.

I'll be civil if you will.

 

[schuylaar]

Flaccid response. It's an appeal to tradition, but doesn't answer my question.

Why are you afraid to admit that your "utopia" has a main feature based in some people being able to use offensive force as a means ?

because sometimes people don't see everything that others see, or see at exactly the same time..that's why we have consensus.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

because sometimes people don't see everything that others see, or see at exactly the same time..that's why we have consensus.

 

[schuylaar]

'No taxation without representation.'

Unless you live in Washington DC or Puerto Rico.

Do you feel your voice is being heard in Washington? I don't and I'm going to use the intelligence I have to control what I can..I could be dead tomorrow therefore I'm not worried about a tax bill in 7 years..if/when that happens, leverage OIC because:

If any collection action by the IRS would force a tax debtor into a financial crisis, the IRS cannot collect the back taxes

Time to waken, Sheeple..M/10

 

[SneekyNinja]

Do you feel your voice is being heard in Washington? I don't and I'm going to use the intelligence I have to control what I can..I could be dead tomorrow therefore I'm not worried about a tax bill in 7 years..if/when that happens, leverage OIC because:

If any collection action by the IRS would force a tax debtor into a financial crisis, the IRS cannot collect the back taxes

Time to waken, Sheeple..M/10

You can have a forced bankruptcy enacted on you.

Then they can legally sell most of your shit except your primary residence to cover the debt.

What you keep repeating basically means that the debt is discharged when bankruptcy is declared and it can't follow you afterwards.

 

[dagwood45431]

WTF would you know about either one?

Meow, kitty!

 

[dagwood45431]

when they get a taste of their own suddenly..suddenly.

You two are hilarious, actually! You're in some kind of a weird bubble. "something, something..." and "suddenly..suddenly" from two different people back-to-back like that. You two sharing a brain? Your styles are suspiciously similar. I've been disabused of my earlier theory that you two were the same person, but that doesn't mean one or the other of you isn't posting from the other's account. You've swapped body fluids. Proximity would not appear to be a barrier. Hmmm.

 

[Rob Roy]

because sometimes people don't see everything that others see, or see at exactly the same time..that's why we have consensus.

No matter how many people agree that a thing which is intrinsically wrong is right, a thing doesn't become right by virtue of popularity or common acceptance.

 

[Rob Roy]

No, because you want ignore everything society offers you.

Except, you are confused and engaging in euphemistic distortions. An offer features the possibility of choice, what you are championing is forcible compulsion.

Voluntary interaction vs involuntary interaction. Significant difference. I thought you were opposed to war?

 

[ttystikk]

Except, you are confused and engaging in euphemistic distortions. An offer features the possibility of choice, what you are championing is forcible compulsion.

Voluntary interaction vs involuntary interaction. Significant difference. I thought you were opposed to war?

I'm not confused. You're the one on the internet, with a car in your driveway and reliable power and safe streets, etc, etc, etc.

You want 'freedom' from the 'tyranny' of such impositions?

Fine.

Go scratch out a living in the woods. Until then, you're the terminally confused, nevermind entitled one.

 

[ttystikk]

No matter how many people agree that a thing which is intrinsically wrong is right, a thing doesn't become right by virtue of popularity or common acceptance.

It does by common agreement, a process known as 'democracy'.

Perhaps you've heard of it?