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KeithVi

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20171217_144117.jpg My second grow and my second scrog. Nothing special, I just thought it was fascinating that my mother amnesia lemon in a 5 gallon soil pot looks so drastically different than the clone that I've got next to her in a DWC tote.

I'm clearly doing something wrong in the soil.
 
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OldMedUser

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I went back a few pages and only saw one ScroG.

Most are just colas sicking up through a screen and that is not a ScroG, Better off just jamming bamboo sticks into the pots and using twist ties to hold their heads up. Would be a lot easier to work on your plants without a big screen in the way.

Ya'll should wander back to page one and read the OP's description of what a Scrog is.

Have a Merry Xmas! xmastree.gif

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Lucky Luke

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woodsmantoker said:
Now of course we can not all agree with every piece of information presented before us, this cut and paste gives a general description of the method that can be easily used as a starting point reference.
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On the first page.. @OldMedUser ^

Bambo sticks and tying is to tedious when you have 60 plus colas just in a 4 x 4. Much easier to pop ur head in for 5 mins every 2 days and poke em under. No main lining no supercropping just poke em under.
 
OldMedUser

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Lucky Luke said:
On the first page.. @OldMedUser ^

Bambo sticks and tying is to tedious when you have 60 plus colas just in a 4 x 4. Much easier to pop ur head in for 5 mins every 2 days and poke em under. No main lining no supercropping just poke em under.
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More like a SoG than a ScroG tho. I'm fussy about definitions but then I'm an cranky old fart so it comes with the territory. Think Lewis Black. :D

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randydj

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OldMedUser said:
More like a SoG than a ScroG tho. I'm fussy about definitions but then I'm an cranky old fart so it comes with the territory. Think Lewis Black. :D

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Cranky - yes but you are correct. The problem with a 300 page thread is that it is hard to learn how to truly scrog with so much fluff in the way. My first attempt was simply a support system. I did much better the second time by tucking well past stretch into flowering. I think that this is the step most people error on. It is all of the bud sites along a cola that become colas themselves when held equal distance from the light source. So tuck much longer than you think and you will be rewarded.
 
Lucky Luke

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randydj said:
Cranky - yes but you are correct. The problem with a 300 page thread is that it is hard to learn how to truly scrog with so much fluff in the way. My first attempt was simply a support system. I did much better the second time by tucking well past stretch into flowering. I think that this is the step most people error on. It is all of the bud sites along a cola that become colas themselves when held equal distance from the light source. So tuck much longer than you think and you will be rewarded.
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this is were previously growing the strain (preferably the cut) is a huge bonus. Other wise its a bit of a guess when to switch.

I don't think its a big deal if you stop tucking a little earlier as you end up with larger colas.

Each to their own. If you use a net and you keep pushing growth under it in veg to form a nice deep even canopy then to my mind that's a SCROG.
 
OldMedUser

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Lucky Luke said:
this is were previously growing the strain (preferably the cut) is a huge bonus. Other wise its a bit of a guess when to switch.

I don't think its a big deal if you stop tucking a little earlier as you end up with larger colas.

Each to their own. If you use a net and you keep pushing growth under it in veg to form a nice deep even canopy then to my mind that's a SCROG.
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If you're tucking it under so it's all an even canopy then technically it's basically a ScroG. It's all the guys that just let the colas grow straight up through a screen and call it a ScroG that's grinds my gears a bit. Terminology is the basis of understanding so lets all speak the same language.

I don't tuck. I use short pieces of twist tie to hold my branches down to the screen and use sheep fencing for my screens with no frames. So much easier and can "float" as the plants grow upwards unlike a fixed poly pipe or wooden frame. When tucked the branches keep growing lengthwise and bud sites can jam up against the wire/string and break off. Sometimes I want to re-locate a branch and I just have to undo 3 or 4 pieces of twist tie then tie it down in a new spot.

I'm building an 8x4 flowering room to hold 4 Rubbermaid tubs with 4'x2' screens on each lit up with a 1000W Super HPS on a light rail. This is how the screens will attach. I've done 5 like this so far and that screen is about 2x2 and one plant yields about 8oz plus almost the same in sugar trim and popcorn. To cross the large gaps I use twist tie off a roll to make a bridge across to tie the grow tip to as it lengthens. Only need a few pieces of tie on each branch up front and ones behind can be removed as the branch is trained to lay flat. Side branches off the main branches get tied down as well.

The aftermath.
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Corner of the room set up for vertical and horizontal ScroGing.

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Two different strains in 4 gal pots of ProMix HP sharing the space with a DWC re-veg 3rd strain. The bigger light coloured colas are the DWC ones.

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DWC ScroG done right is the bomb! Hardly wait until I get the new room up and running in about a month. Have everything but the 5 sheets of OSB I need to sheet the framed walls.

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Lucky Luke

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OldMedUser said:
If you're tucking it under so it's all an even canopy then technically it's basically a ScroG. It's all the guys that just let the colas grow straight up through a screen and call it a ScroG that's grinds my gears a bit. Terminology is the basis of understanding so lets all speak the same language.


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Ahh Gotcha I thought the cola heights was what you were talking about. Agreed-you have to tuck or tie.

I'm to lazy to tie. I use metal fencing to but with a electrical conduit frame with legs. I didn't have any broken branches but my holes are pretty large.
Scrogs tent to yield well don't they? My screen was 3.5 x 4 and I broke the pound mark with a 600w.
I'm not using a screen this run and I'm already not looking forward to the numbers. Granted ive made a couple of errors this go around as well.

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I find I can double my yield with free standing plants in DWC over the same in pots of soilless and double it again in a DWC Scrog. Longer veg time tho to get the screen mostly full of overlapping branches before flipping. I have a hard time knowing when to stop tying. :D

Will be using two plants per tub to speed up the veg time and get the screen filled faster.

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OldMedUser

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907guy said:
Pump air locked half way through for about 5 days and she dried out and almost died, fortunately I have clones, next round should be even better! She only has about a week to go I think.
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And you didn't notice for 5 days? I try to check all systems at least once a day. Lately it's a dozen times a day for each room. One in the basement and one up here. Really getting my leg muscles back in shape in a hurry. :)

They were looking pretty good but for the nute burn brought on by a bit of heat stress. Would have still finished up really good!

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OldMedUser said:
And you didn't notice for 5 days? I try to check all systems at least once a day. Lately it's a dozen times a day for each room. One in the basement and one up here. Really getting my leg muscles back in shape in a hurry. :)

They were looking pretty good but for the nute burn brought on by a bit of heat stress. Would have still finished up really good!

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I was away, she was bone dry when I got back.
 
Nugachino

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Dafuq... my response doesnt seem to have registered. Fook it.

Okay. So I've got two pineapple chunks in there at the moment. They're going to be my testers in this setup.

I've only tried them once before. And boy were they nice. Plenty of frosting on the buds. With a delicious aroma and flavor to boot.
 
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