londonfog
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Will you also finish your manifesto by then as well ?
Sessions is at it again!!
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whitebb2727
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Goats?
Seriously. Can't do it. Not once?
srh88
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srh88
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Don't get Rob Roy excited
PCXV
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When they planned to open their business they knew the law. Nobody made that choice for them. They can still deny service for legitmate reasons.
There are times when it is understandable to break the law. Denying service to blacks, gays, muslims, the disabled, etc. doesn't fit in that category.
Rob Roy
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It's evolving.
Rob Roy
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So, if the law said that no person has the right to force another person to serve them against the other persons will, (a form of slavery) you would break THAT law, and force an unwilling person to serve you?
MakrutBodhi
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I know how everyone says I'm a Trump supporter. Yet I think you can understand there's more than either or to life.
In a perfect world that could happen, but then humans came and screwed that up.
All it takes is a few to not accept your rules. Maybe you would serve not based on this or that alone from racism or bigotry. But, the rest don't they're opportunists. It's the world of Walmart Economics. Even if in the short term it causes less business, once out of business, then jack up prices. What are you to do?
In this day no one practically grows their own food or builds a car from scratch. Corporations and small busi ess do.
Say you could, then the government steps in and says your growing corn is driving up priced then taxes you. This actually happened. Lobbyists for corn consortium accuse you of predatory practices. The USSR did it too by saying this corn feeds the military.
These types of laws you call "rape" are for your protection. Whether from "racist" business or communist government. You can thank thev constitution for that, however much longer it may last.
Rob Roy
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Good morning. I wish I had some of what you're smoking.
MakrutBodhi
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Ok I will slow down my thinking.
You state that it's not right to force? Your business, your property?
Ok... When people don't do everything their own like the "good ole days" what happens if no one sells to you, starve or learn to grow? How do you survive when it takes months to grow a crop and some new "racist" comes along sayin we don't sell to Bigfoot?
It's like Steinbecks' The Pearl.(Or Walmart) Even if there are several pearl buyers but what happens when they all collude? That's why laws which force you to sell even when you don't want to exist.
My bad it was wheat.
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An Ohio farmer, Roscoe Filburn, was growing wheat to feed animals on his own farm. The U.S. government had established limits on wheat production based on acreage owned by a farmer, in order to stabilize wheat prices and supplies. Filburn grew more than the limits he was permitted and was ordered to pay a penalty. In response, he said that his wheat was not sold, so his activity could not be regulated as commerce, let alone "interstate" commerce (described in the Constitution as "Commerce...among the several states"). The Supreme Court disagreed, stating that, "Whether the subject of the regulation in question was 'production', 'consumption', or 'marketing' is, therefore, not material for purposes of deciding the question of federal power before us
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What I'm saying is all these "forcing" are the same and wrong.
Whether it's the government or private. Government doesn't exist. Only people do. So in the end people exploit people.
The extremes of government exploitation are the USSR taking food for troops or saying wheat quotas affect the market because by growing you're not buying your fair share.
The extreme of people is refusing service or in the case of The Pearl a syndicate controlling prices and who buys or sells.
This gets really confusing.
My point is these laws keep the powers in check but we don't always do the right laws like wheat quotas. But laws like forcing bigots to sell are "good." The Buddhist in me doesn't like forcing either. But what else are you to do against the ones who haven't become enlightened to not be bigoted?
There are laws to keep the SJW in check too, like "budgets." I know haha.
The law you complain about "forcing your business to serve those I don't want" keeps your Spooner in check. The extreme of Spoonerism is syndicates like in The Pearl.
PCXV
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What did blacks do when they were deprived housing and food on those grounds? Until the law changed you would just have to steal, squat, sleep on the streets, beg for food and housing, or starve. That is, if you were one of the 20 black people in town, all of whom just got freed, had no money to your name, no house, no farm, and the 2,000 whites in town prevented you from attaining any capital, work, etc. It is a miserable pit of suffering, hence why people said enough is enough and changed the law.
Sour Wreck
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Rob Roy
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"Authority" ? For people to be equal, wouldn't every person be the authority over themselves and their property? How else could equality exist if they were not"
Lynch mob? Okay, I 'll see you your lynch mob and raise you an "eminent domain" .
Nuclear plant? What is to stop a government from killing people, ironically using nuclear weapons if the ring leaders decide to?
Rob Roy
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So, to cure Jim Crow laws which were just a masked form of slavery, why not just remove the idea that other people can control who a person does or does not associate with and let the individuals involved decide?
How do you cure violence by changing which person you are threatening ?
londonfog
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Will nurses and doctors working in the ER get to decide who they will and won't treat in your wacky world Robbie
Rob Roy
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That depends on what the owners of the respective individual ER's decide? Why would all of them have to abide by rules forcibly imposed over them by nonowners?
Should there be a central authority deciding what color every laundromats washing machines are and how many pairs of ladies underwear you are allowed to pilfer from the dryers?
Rob Roy
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So on one hand you embrace a system reliant on some people having power over others as a routine thing, but then you expect that to somehow yield the results YOU like?
Gee, what could go wrong there?
Yes, fuck all politicians. I agree with you there.
londonfog
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Why should it depend on others if you are the owner of self ? Or do you see how you contradict yourself.
You go into the ER. The only doctor on call that can handle your problem ( dick stuck in chicken ) refuses, due to you being Sasquatch. You and the chicken are turned away. You ended up having to get your penis removed, due to lost of blood circulation to your tiny penis.
Still think one should be able to determine who will be served at a place open to the public