Hermies, most have no idea!!!

[hillbill]

If hermies were are related to the genetics, why do seeds from certain packs (strains) produce them while those from several other packs (strains) do not when grown under exactly the same conditions?

 

[Nutty sKunK]

Interesting how they try to pollinate themselves when they are stressed.

Just for wee seedlings to grow ina stressful environment? Lol.

 

[907cannabis]

I think what everyone's trying to tell us is if you get a hermie you suck at growing and you stressed your plant, there's no other way it's just your shitty growing skills that caused the hermie. No plant hermies more than another one only ones you stress out hermie.

So it's your fault and not the genetics of the plant is what they are telling you ok, don't try and argue that genetics get passed down they don't we all know this now cause one guy read a theory and it's fact now.

End of story guys move on and go pop some of those herm seeds they should be fine.

 

[Kingrow1]

I think what everyone's trying to tell us is if you get a hermie you suck at growing and you stressed your plant, there's no other way it's just your shitty growing skills that caused the hermie. No plant hermies more than another one only ones you stress out hermie.

So it's your fault and not the genetics of the plant is what they are telling you ok, don't try and argue that genetics get passed down they don't we all know this now cause one guy read a theory and it's fact now.

End of story guys move on and go pop some of those herm seeds they should be fine.

Fuck you saying...!

I didnt read i got it passed on by great members waaaay before your time. Then i took my time to work through and science and observations made from my own grows.

You want to say somthing then say it dont fuck around but at the end of the day this is what it is until either you or science comes up with better.

Now go troll somewhere else before you really piss me off, constructive critisism yes but belittling better growers than you.. go jump off a cliff!

 

[Kingrow1]

@mods can you close this thread, everythings been said and sure some future growers will find it a good read, level of comprehension goes way down with some

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

I think what everyone's trying to tell us is if you get a hermie you suck at growing and you stressed your plant, there's no other way it's just your shitty growing skills that caused the hermie. No plant hermies more than another one only ones your stress out hermie.

So it's your fault and not the genetics of the plant is what they are telling you ok, don't try and argue that genetics get passed down they don't we all know this now cause one guy read a theory and it's fact now.

End of story guys move on and go pop some of those herm seeds they should be fine.

No one is saying that. The point is all marijuana has the tendency to reverse under the right conditions. And different plants will have different sensitivity to what causes them to reverse.

When I first started growing the older sites and books talked about growing difficulty levels of different strains.

They suggest northern lights for beginners for a good reason. It has been stabilized for decades and it’s is an easy to grow plant in structure too. But I think the biggest factor is stability to reversal. No nanners to deal with for the beginner.

The old info says plants like sour diesel or haze are more difficult to grow. Of course. They tend to show nanners with much less stress.

Now that the industry is selling the new strain/cross of the month perpetually for profit I never see the plant difficulty level mentioned and beginners are buying single seeds of very advanced strains to start with.

Then complain about nanners, balls and seeds.

 

[Cold$moke]

No one is saying that. The point is all marijuana has the tendency to reverse under the right conditions. And different plants will have different sensitivity to what causes them to reverse.

When I first started growing the older sites and books talked about growing difficulty levels of different strains.

They suggest northern lights for beginners for a good reason. It has been stabilized for decades and it’s is an easy to grow plant in structure too. But I think the biggest factor is stability to reversal. No nanners to deal with for the beginner.

The old info says plants like sour diesel or haze are more difficult to grow. Of course. They tend to show nanners with much less stress.

Now that the industry is selling the new strain/cross of the month perpetually for profit I never see the plant difficulty level mentioned and beginners are buying single seeds of very advanced strains to start with.

Then complain about nanners, balls and seeds.

Same stuff i have read as well

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

@mods can you close this thread, everythings been said and sure some future growers will find it a good read, level of comprehension goes way down with some

No need to get upset. You start a conversation on a public forum and don’t want anyone else’s opinion. What do you expect?

I think this has been an excellent thread with good information and counter points.

 

[Kingrow1]

No one is saying that. The point is all marijuana has the tendency to reverse under the right conditions. And different plants will have different sensitivity to what causes them to reverse.

When I first started growing the older sites and books talked about growing difficulty levels of different strains.

They suggest northern lights for beginners for a good reason. It has been stabilized for decades and it’s is an easy to grow plant in structure too. But I think the biggest factor is stability to reversal. No nanners to deal with for the beginner.

The old info says plants like sour diesel or haze are more difficult to grow. Of course. They tend to show nanners with much less stress.

Now that the industry is selling the new strain/cross of the month perpetually for profit I never see the plant difficulty level mentioned and beginners are buying single seeds of very advanced strains to start with.

Then complain about nanners, balls and seeds.

This is all obvious, what i am really tired of is noobs who have been here for five seconds constantly berating and talking down to everything, like id rather troll them than try to even form an answer back.

Close the thread and walk away, its why i take so little intrest in growing here

 

[Cold$moke]

Interesting how they try to pollinate themselves when they are stressed.

Just for wee seedlings to grow ina stressful environment? Lol.

Better then the species dying though eh.

I think what everyone's trying to tell us is if you get a hermie you suck at growing and you stressed your plant, there's no other way it's just your shitty growing skills that caused the hermie. No plant hermies more than another one only ones you stress out hermie.

So it's your fault and not the genetics of the plant is what they are telling you ok, don't try and argue that genetics get passed down they don't we all know this now cause one guy read a theory and it's fact now.

End of story guys move on and go pop some of those herm seeds they should be fine.

Thats the crappy thing when a nanner shows i usually think wtf did i do lol.
its when i think i did everything right then im like wtf

 

[whitebb2727]

Here is part of the evidence that goes against those that think its some genetic breedable trait. If it were mere sexual genetics the plant wouldnt be jumping in and out of hermie'ing as it grew.

Herms can come and go at any point, early, late, pre flower and then dissapear leaving a perfectly herm free bud. High up on the plant or lower down etc etc etc.

This points to an independant factor that is not kinked to a plants sex genetics.

Every now and again you get one of those special members who starts going on about different types of herms like their position on the plant means different things. They get awarded the tin foil hat medal...

That's correct but there also true herms that are genetic like certain hemp that been breed to show intersex from the start.

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

This is all obvious, what i am really tired of is noobs who have been here for five seconds constantly berating and talking down to everything, like id rather troll them than try to even form an answer back.

Close the thread and walk away, its why i take so little intrest in growing here

I didn’t see it that way in this thread.

 

[BudmanTX]

Any chance you may be overwatering some. The thick ribs on the upper leaves and early yellowing points to that.

sorry for getting back to you late.....water regime was only a glass of tap water, i always kept the soil damp to moist, basically if you take you finger and if you can feel moisture, you were still good......

 

[BudmanTX]

@mods can you close this thread, everythings been said and sure some future growers will find it a good read, level of comprehension goes way down with some

dude it think this is a good thread as well.....should keep it going. Good info for other growers to reconize and work with in there own grows. Don't let one kill it for ya, just keep pushing on giving relevant info....

 

[907cannabis]

Didn't mean to piss you off but look back at all your posts... I suggest that there are genes responsible for one plant being more sensitive than another and you just tell me I don't understand and that's not how it works.

I've supplied pretty decent points and articles with evidence to say that I have no clue and don't understand is an insult.

Here in this botany book where it clearly states there are two THEORIES on how cannabis sex is determined. One clearly states that there is evidence hermaphroditism is genetic and gives example.

Can you show me otherwise in literature where one of these theories is now a fact?

https://books.google.com/books?id=AoDtg_pSacwC&pg=PT201&lpg=PT201&dq=hermaphrodite+genes+cannabis&source=bl&ots=mCY5Cd6azk&sig=uHh2BHwAd1sYZFbvgBoH1zqT5ng&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjC0KC_9JbZAhVR5WMKHbkEALY4HhDoATAHegQIBhAB#v=onepage&q=hermaphrodite genes cannabis&f=false

 

[907cannabis]

Presenting information is great but saying 50 years or more of breeders are wrong because you observed something or were told something is a hard argument.

You could be 100 percent right but give some evidence before you tell everyone else they are wrong, don't expect people to just kneel down because they read something on a forum in the Internet.

Neither one of us looks at dna for a living so I would assume our opinions aren't very valid anyway in the scientific community.

So far your arguments seem to end with something like..."oh that would be too hard to look up now".

 

[Budley Doright]

It would be a shame to close a thread because of a disagreement and this is mild compared to what most decend. Although there is a lot of thinly vailed sarcasm it still has been, as a whole, a great discussion. I am kind of on the fence as to the cause. It would seem to me that if a strain is more prone to throw balls than another, it would be a genetic thing but I have not had but one grow balls indoor, outdoor yes, never grew it again, for a number of reasons. Had lots grow nanners though but no seeds later in life.

 

[hillbill]

Breeders regularly eliminate strains that tend to hermie or maybe recommend outdoor only. Thai Sativa in the ontogeny of some strains says “approach with caution” to me, myself and I.

 

[907cannabis]

No one is saying that. The point is all marijuana has the tendency to reverse under the right conditions. And different plants will have different sensitivity to what causes them to reverse.

When I first started growing the older sites and books talked about growing difficulty levels of different strains.

They suggest northern lights for beginners for a good reason. It has been stabilized for decades and it’s is an easy to grow plant in structure too. But I think the biggest factor is stability to reversal. No nanners to deal with for the beginner.

The old info says plants like sour diesel or haze are more difficult to grow. Of course. They tend to show nanners with much less stress.

Now that the industry is selling the new strain/cross of the month perpetually for profit I never see the plant difficulty level mentioned and beginners are buying single seeds of very advanced strains to start with.

Then complain about nanners, balls and seeds.

This is the way I understood it, not that it's completely random but some strains do have more of a tendency to herm and it can be essentially bred out.

OP says early in this thread everything he's stating is just a theory then later tells me it's a fact when I challenge it, read the posts they are there.

Regardless of what protein or amino acid causes the shift, both of them are created by genetic material directly, weather it's a mutation or what it doesn't matter and it can be passed down. Look at this and correct me if I'm wrong.



The proteins are created by the genes themselves. The amounts created and relevant sensitivities are related directly to the strain i would think.

Or maybe im just misunderstanding and in that case show me something I can understand.

Thanks everyone, keep up the good work here at RIU! Keep on growing cause that's what matters!

 

[MichiganMedGrower]

This is the way I understood it, not that it's completely random but some strains do have more of a tendency to herm and it can be essentially bred out.

OP says early in this thread everything he's stating is just a theory then later tells me it's a fact when I challenge it, read the posts they are there.

Regardless of what protein or amino acid causes the shift, both of them are created by genetic material directly, weather it's a mutation or what it doesn't matter and it can be passed down. Look at this and correct me if I'm wrong.

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The proteins are created by the genes themselves. The amounts created and relevant sensitivities are related directly to the strain i would think.

Or maybe im just misunderstanding and in that case show me something I can understand.

Thanks everyone, keep up the good work here at RIU! Keep on growing cause that's what matters!

Ok I see how he was saying it.