Co2 with LED

[Johnny Lawrence]

and I have 3 600w, which equals 1800w . . .

No. It doesn't. It equals 834.

 

[DemonTrich]

Thank you Dr who, I will then invest in CO2 for my next grow


Cmh is not led, but thanks for info.

Obviously you missed the point

 

[Lordhooha]

Cause I am a beginner grower, and I am asking a specific questions I am not getting a specific answer to.
I am not looking for new lights.
The question is, if these lights are viable for co2, when used the way I do, you have yet to answer the question, I am not trying to be offensive in anyway, I'm just looking for an answer.

I'm not good with par reading, can you help me with this question?
Are 3 viparspectra 600w's good enough for using co2 in a closed environment with correct humidity and temperature?

I found this on the Internet, maybe it can help you answer my question. I don't really know what to make of it.
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My tent is 4x4x8.

I agree you’ll get a better harvest with better lights. Have you done much research on the controllers and venting your tent. I’d spend money else where first and fail in your growing before adding CO2 to the mix. How many grows have you done with success? With Co2 you’ll have your fans off to retain the gases how fast will the temp rise once the fan shuts down? Will the short period they’re exposed to the gas be beneficial enough to justify the cost? Better lighting can and will produce more than the addition of the CO2. But again getting your growing style down working the basics and building from that point is a better plan.

 

[MatiasMunk]

Increase yield to make more money, no, to get a better crop to smoke, yes.

I agree you’ll get a better harvest with better lights. Have you done much research on the controllers and venting your tent. I’d spend money else where first and fail in your growing before adding CO2 to the mix. How many grows have you done with success? With Co2 you’ll have your fans off to retain the gases how fast will the temp rise once the fan shuts down? Will the short period they’re exposed to the gas be beneficial enough to justify the cost? Better lighting can and will produce more than the addition of the CO2. But again getting your growing style down working the basics and building from that point is a better plan.

Buildings a closed system inside the tent, where the plants reside, so that fans can still be running

 

[MatiasMunk]

No. It doesn't. It equals 834.

Please, if you followed the thread, then you would know that even I said that.
This was just going out from what is advertised, he was fully aware that me saying 1800w meant only 834 actual watt..

 

[MatiasMunk]

I agree you’ll get a better harvest with better lights. Have you done much research on the controllers and venting your tent. I’d spend money else where first and fail in your growing before adding CO2 to the mix. How many grows have you done with success? With Co2 you’ll have your fans off to retain the gases how fast will the temp rise once the fan shuts down? Will the short period they’re exposed to the gas be beneficial enough to justify the cost? Better lighting can and will produce more than the addition of the CO2. But again getting your growing style down working the basics and building from that point is a better plan.

Okay, say I was gonna buy a new light then, which one should I buy?
Grow weed easy says viparspectras are some of the best led for the price.

 

[Lordhooha]

Okay, say I was gonna buy a new light then, which one should I buy?
Grow weed easy says viparspectras are some of the best led for the price.

Best for the price are going to be cob or quantum boards.theres a bunch horticultural grow lights make a nice qb light. Tasty led and a few others make good cob lights or you can build your own.

 

[Rider509]

Yes it will work it's not a good idea in any way

Can you tell us why you say it isn't a good idea?

 

[Rider509]

Hi, I've read co2 doesn't work with led.
But I've also read all it needs to use co2 efficiently is to raise temperature to 80-86f.
So I have 3x viparspectra 600w, which will also run hot, when all run together, at least 90f in temp easy, if I want to.
I can maintain 80-90f easy.
So shouldn't co2 be efficient to use then, no??

Let's start over. Whoever wrote that CO2 doesn't work with LEDs is an idiot. Probably the same idiot that said all it needs is to raise the temp to 80-86F. Wrong.

But your question was specific to whether adding CO2 would be efficient and if it can be used with LEDs. Yes, it can be used with LEDs. Whether it is efficient depends entirely on your level of environmental control. If you are a new grower my guess is that you don't have the equipment. If you plan on adding one of those organic CO2 mushroom boxes then go for it. If you're thinking about buying a CO2 regulator and tank then you need way more knowledge than you currently possess. Read, read, and then read some more.

You'll need environmental controls. I run a humidifier, a dehumidifier, a heater, and an air conditioner in my closed system, all controlled electronically to provide the optimum environment for massive growth. My CO2 is monitored to maintain a minimum of 1000ppm and I'm hitting the plants with 1000 to 1200ppfd using LED lights of my own design and build. I'm not going to go into the specifics required to utilize CO2 efficiently cuz you can study and learn that on your own and you'll retain the knowledge better than if I spoon feed you.

But yeah... CO2 can be used with LEDs. Even blurples.
This photo was taken yesterday, 1-19-18. That canopy is at 5.5 feet and those plants are supercropped seven ways to Sunday so they didn't bust through an 8 foot ceiling.

 

[Ryante55]

Can you tell us why you say it isn't a good idea?

Just a waste of money. If its just a hobby and you don't need to make money or yield more it could be fun to try. If it's a business other expenses are more important. Sometimes I'm too business minded I can't afford to lose money on a crop so my advice come from a cost effective view.

 

[Rider509]

Just a waste of money. If its just a hobby and you don't need to make money or yield more it could be fun to try. If it's a business other expenses are more important. Sometimes I'm too business minded I can't afford to lose money on a crop so my advice come from a cost effective view.

Good point, Ryante. There's nothing cheap about doing CO2 right. I was just curious as to your thought process. Mine is a personal grow and I don't even smoke (meds for my brother), but I tend to go all in on whatever I'm doing.

 

[Lordhooha]

Good point, Ryante. There's nothing cheap about doing CO2 right. I was just curious as to your thought process. Mine is a personal grow and I don't even smoke (meds for my brother), but I tend to go all in on whatever I'm doing.

I simply stated he needs to get a few grows under his belt. So many dump money on stuff that will only complicate things rather than focus on growing properly first and getting the simple things inline before tossing other things into the mix.

 

[Yodaweed]

Let's start over. Whoever wrote that CO2 doesn't work with LEDs is an idiot. Probably the same idiot that said all it needs is to raise the temp to 80-86F. Wrong.

But your question was specific to whether adding CO2 would be efficient and if it can be used with LEDs. Yes, it can be used with LEDs. Whether it is efficient depends entirely on your level of environmental control. If you are a new grower my guess is that you don't have the equipment. If you plan on adding one of those organic CO2 mushroom boxes then go for it. If you're thinking about buying a CO2 regulator and tank then you need way more knowledge than you currently possess. Read, read, and then read some more.

You'll need environmental controls. I run a humidifier, a dehumidifier, a heater, and an air conditioner in my closed system, all controlled electronically to provide the optimum environment for massive growth. My CO2 is monitored to maintain a minimum of 1000ppm and I'm hitting the plants with 1000 to 1200ppfd using LED lights of my own design and build. I'm not going to go into the specifics required to utilize CO2 efficiently cuz you can study and learn that on your own and you'll retain the knowledge better than if I spoon feed you.

But yeah... CO2 can be used with LEDs. Even blurples.
This photo was taken yesterday, 1-19-18. That canopy is at 5.5 feet and those plants are supercropped seven ways to Sunday so they didn't bust through an 8 foot ceiling.
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Not trying to be rude but you could have grown that same exact crop without CO2.

 

[chiqifella]

for accuracy, NO=zero, and plants wont grow with zero c02.
I dont know what the ambient c02 is in the room before adding c02.
if its a sealed room, hot, etc....c02 would be lacking, plants wont grow past that weakness of not
having enough c02 for instance.

c02 was the last needed thing I added and was rewarded with a full experience. would do it again, still do , even

 

[Johnny Lawrence]

Please, if you followed the thread, then you would know that even I said that.
This was just going out from what is advertised, he was fully aware that me saying 1800w meant only 834 actual watt..

I know you said that. Which is why i was perplexed that you followed that up by stating you have 1800 watts. What they advertise is bs. Your lights are equivalent to 834 watts. Any math that you're doing for the size of your space needs to be based on that number.

 

[Lordhooha]

for accuracy, NO=zero, and plants wont grow with zero c02.
I dont know what the ambient c02 is in the room before adding c02.
if its a sealed room, hot, etc....c02 would be lacking, plants wont grow past that weakness of not
having enough c02 for instance.

c02 was the last needed thing I added and was rewarded with a full experience. would do it again, still do , even

Ambient co2 for most homes can range from around 400 -1000

 

[Ryante55]

Not trying to be rude but you could have grown that same exact crop without CO2.

That's what I was thinking but still looks like a great crop.

 

[Rider509]

Not trying to be rude but you could have grown that same exact crop without CO2.

Not trying to be rude, Yodaweed, but bite me. LMAO.
You know I'm just messing with you, and you're right; I probably could have achieved the same outcome with just the environmental controls. But not all of us can be Grow Gods. Some of us mere mortals need all the help we can get. And some of us just like to play with whatever cool new toys we can find.

 

[chiqifella]

Ambient co2 for most homes can range from around 400 -1000

yes, and "we dont know what it is until we measure it" like why add c02 if the ambient ppm is already 1000 ppm's right?
measuring the c02 gives us an accurate place to start from. Augmenting without knowing is blind, maybe wasteful, maybe harmful too.
I've never measured ambient c02 higher than 380 in the homes I've lived in. 1000ppm and I'd shut my c02 gen down for good!

 

[0321Marine]

Well, obviously (well I guess not actually) I'm speaking of a controlled environment, that is sealed off, has enough light, enough rh for stomatas to be open for the plant to transpire, and enough warmth for higher co2 ppm levels to work well.
All I wanted to know was if led can be used with all of these factors included, which I've read led is not viable, but if these factors are in the environment, is led viable?
Now you just created doubt in me again, so let me reformulate my question:
Is led viable to use 1000 ppm levels co2 with these environmental factors included?

So.. I will leave this here, regardless of the amount of shit I might get. Co2 can be nearly free to use. Literally pennies on the dollar. And it will cause massive growth, if done right.

All you have to do is pay attention to your rh, and temps.. and it looks like you've already learned about that. Just make sure you can easily adjust little things, if need be.. like ventilation, etc.. to control temps/rh. With any light.. literally any, added Co2 will give extra benefits. But unless you have a lot of light, it will be very minimal. More light, as in the highest amount your plants can properly use (not excessive amounts), means more Co2 intake, if the other variables are in the right place.

So, back to how cheap it can cost and how much it can help.. make your own Co2. Use the ethanol method (sugar, water, yeast, nutrients.. like pureed tomatoes, etc.) or the moss and mushroom spore method. You can do this with a sealed room or vented. Once a week, replenish your Co2 bottle/container with some fresh water and new sugar for the yeast to feed off of, if you go the ethanol route. The size of your tent/room, will decide the size of your Co2 container. For a small area, like closet or tent size a 1 liter bottle will do. Increase the size for larger rooms. Once your Co2 levels start to climb you will see two things immediately.. a slight increase in temps and a slight decrease in rh. This is due to the oxygen levels dropping, while the Co2 levels increase. Then you will see what you have been looking for.. massive growth. I have been testing things over the past 3 weeks on a small grow, getting some amazing information from some old growers who have been at this shit much longer than me. The results were very clear, with little Co2 the growth was stable.. and slow. In 1 week of high concentrations of Co2, with very little venting and opening of the grow tent.. I saw growth triple in 6 days. Literally tripled.

Good use of Co2, can make your veg and flower times shorter indoors as the plant just simply grows faster. But, one thing I have heard repeated over and over again.. pull all Co2 1-2 weeks before harvesting. Hope I could be of help..

And I know many will read what I just wrote and think I am crazy.. they will say how Co2 is either useless, too expensive, or that simple methods like I mentioned are useless.. but the thing is..

..Science. You cant argue with facts, unless you're ignorant.

Read this link, it may help further: https://www.maximumyield.com/bring-on-the-co2-in-your-indoor-garden/2/1434