DIY-HP-LED
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SS (Shit Show) TRUMPTANIC, crewed by the GOP who are lashed to the mast.
The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out
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greg nr
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btw, the tarrifs mentioned below are NEW tonight, on top of the $50B alreeady announced....
GOP senator (Ben Sasse) on tariff threat: Hopefully Trump is blowing off steam because ‘this is nuts’
GOP senator (Ben Sasse) on tariff threat: Hopefully Trump is blowing off steam because ‘this is nuts’
Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) slammed President Trump's announcement Thursday that he was considering imposing $100 billion in tariffs on China amid the ongoing trade dispute between Washington and Beijing, calling it nuts and dumb.
“Hopefully the President is just blowing off steam again but, if he's even half-serious, this is nuts. China is guilty of many things, but the President has no actual plan to win right now," Sasse said in a statement.
“Hopefully the President is just blowing off steam again but, if he's even half-serious, this is nuts. China is guilty of many things, but the President has no actual plan to win right now," Sasse said in a statement.
"He’s threatening to light American agriculture on fire. Let’s absolutely take on Chinese bad behavior, but with a plan that punishes them instead of us. This is the dumbest possible way to do this," he continued.
Sasse tweeted the statement, breaking his three-month silence on Twitter.
Sasse tweeted the statement, breaking his three-month silence on Twitter.
DIY-HP-LED
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Rural America is gonna howl, and the market is gonna take a shit, if he goes through with this idiocy there will be Hell to pay this fall for the GOP!
Sour Wreck
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going after trump supporters was PURE BRILLIANCE on the part of the Chinese. they dicked fucked him on their first move. he's fucking moron grifter. fuck his mother....
Sour Wreck
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it's really his best option, otherwise, as we agree, he will drink poison, jump out of a 5 story window or shoot himself behind the ear 2 times.
fuck him !!!!! traitor !!!!!!!!
greg nr
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Dow futures are already predicting a 350 point loss at market open......
Dow futures indicate more than 350 point drop at market open after Trump threatens more tariffs on China
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/dow-futures-indicate-more-than-400-point-drop-at-market-open-after-trump-threatens-more-tariffs-on-china.html
greg nr
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MEXICO CITY (The Borowitz Report)—Hoping to resolve the seemingly intractable conflict over immigration, Mexico surprised the world on Thursday by agreeing to pay for Donald J. Trump’s psychiatric care.
Speaking to reporters, the Mexican President, Enrique Peña Nieto, said that he had authorized funding for the psychiatry and proclaimed, “Work on Donald Trump could begin tomorrow.”
Peña Nieto displayed several photographs showing prototypes of therapists, including a bearded Freudian analyst whom he said came highly recommended.
While some Mexican taxpayers argued that a full course of psychiatric treatment could prove more costly than a border wall, Peña Nieto warned against skimping on such a necessary expense.
“When the safety and security of the world is at stake, eight hundred dollars an hour is a bargain,” he said, but added that Mexico would try to find a therapist who takes insurance.
Speaking to reporters, the Mexican President, Enrique Peña Nieto, said that he had authorized funding for the psychiatry and proclaimed, “Work on Donald Trump could begin tomorrow.”
Peña Nieto displayed several photographs showing prototypes of therapists, including a bearded Freudian analyst whom he said came highly recommended.
While some Mexican taxpayers argued that a full course of psychiatric treatment could prove more costly than a border wall, Peña Nieto warned against skimping on such a necessary expense.
“When the safety and security of the world is at stake, eight hundred dollars an hour is a bargain,” he said, but added that Mexico would try to find a therapist who takes insurance.
DIY-HP-LED
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Conservative WARNS Trump IS starting to WRECK the Economy Because He’s an ‘Imbecile’
Republican strategist Steve Schmidt hammered President Donald Trump and commerce secretary Wilbur Ross for bumbling into a trade war with China — and lying about it.
Schmidt said Trump administration incompetence was unleashing potentially devastating consequences for the American economy, for reasons that have not been explained.
Schmidt said Trump administration incompetence was unleashing potentially devastating consequences for the American economy, for reasons that have not been explained.
DIY-HP-LED
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GOPer WARNS Trump Voters are About to ‘Start Paying the BILL for His Incompetence’
Republican strategist Steve Schmidt said President Donald Trump’s incompetence was on full display now that he’s purged his White House of naysayers and replaced them with flunkies — or no one at all.
Joe Scarborough said the past week of Trump’s attacks showed he was no longer constrained by presidential norms, and the “Morning Joe” host warned that the U.S. was being dragged into a dark place.
“The lies, the misrepresentations, the distortions, the abuses of constitutional norms, the dictatorial type actions where he’s actually targeting one of the most innovative companies in America for political purposes, it seems like we’re about to go into hyperdrive,” Scarborough said.
Joe Scarborough said the past week of Trump’s attacks showed he was no longer constrained by presidential norms, and the “Morning Joe” host warned that the U.S. was being dragged into a dark place.
“The lies, the misrepresentations, the distortions, the abuses of constitutional norms, the dictatorial type actions where he’s actually targeting one of the most innovative companies in America for political purposes, it seems like we’re about to go into hyperdrive,” Scarborough said.
greg nr
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Interesting article on potus's pardon powers. short version, his pardons can't be blocked, but they can be criminal acts in themselves.
The pardon power can be used to obstruct justice — just ask Richard Nixon
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/pardon-power-can-used-obstruct-justice-just-ask-richard-nixon/
The pardon power can be used to obstruct justice — just ask Richard Nixon
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/pardon-power-can-used-obstruct-justice-just-ask-richard-nixon/
News that one of President Trump’s lawyers allegedly told lawyers for Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort in secret that the president might pardon them has caused renewed interest in the question: Can the pardon power become an instrument to obstruct justice? The answer is: Of course it can.
Think of a simple scenario. The president is asked to pardon a criminal and is given a bribe to induce the act. Would that mean that the bribe had not been a crime because the president has virtually unlimited and unreviewable pardon power under Article II of the Constitution? Of course not. The person pardoned may remain pardoned, but the president in that scenario took a bribe—and that was a criminal act (remember that VP Spiro Agnew resigned in disgrace for taking bribes—the office doesn’t inoculate criminals.)
There is no question that the framers intended the pardon power to be one of the most sweeping granted the president. Alexander Hamilton explained the rationale in Federalist No. 74 this way: “Humanity and good policy conspire to dictate, that the benign prerogative of pardoning should be as little as possible fettered or embarrassed,” he wrote. “The criminal code of every country partakes so much of necessary severity, that without an easy access to exceptions in favor of unfortunate guilt, justice would wear a countenance too sanguinary and cruel.”
So no court can review a pardon; Congress cannot undo a pardon. The power is “unfettered and unembarrassed.” However, that does not mean that it can be used in the commission of a crime by the chief executive.
Take the Watergate example. In that case, the offer of a pardon was dangled in front of defendants to assure their silence in a criminal proceeding. This act, as part of a cover-up, was widely considered to be an obstruction of justice.
Consider Article 9 of the Articles of Impeachment adopted by the House Judiciary Committee in 1974, which spelled out various “high crimes and misdemeanors” of President Nixon, including the following: “endeavoring to cause prospective defendants, and individuals duly tried and convicted, to expect favored treatment and consideration in return for their silence or false testimony, or rewarding individuals for their silence or false testimony.”
The reference is, in part, to activity of Richard Nixon with his adviser Charles Colson in January 1973. Colson’s friend and fellow Brown University alum, E. Howard Hunt, was in deep trouble. Hunt was one of the leaders of the burglars who had broken into the Democratic National Committee headquarters in the Watergate complex.
Hunt left a mountain of incriminating evidence in his hotel room at the Watergate and had been arrested and indicted. He faced trial starting in the second week of January 1973 before a federal judge known for his severe sentencing, John J. Sirica (Hamilton would have labeled him “Sanguinary John.”).
Howard Hunt’s troubles were compounded by the sudden and tragic death of his wife in a plane crash in Chicago in December 1972. She had been the pay-mistress for the hush money delivered to the arrested burglars to keep them from testifying in their criminal case. She had $10,000 in cash in her purse when her plane went down short of the runway at Chicago Midway Airport, crashing into a nearby neighborhood.
Hunt still had young children. He worried that if he went to trial and Judge Sirica threw the book at him, his children would be effectively orphaned. In his despair, he asked his lawyer, William Bittman, to meet with Colson to ask for the promise of a pardon so he could plead guilty and avoid the trial.
Colson, against the advice of others in the White House, met with Bittman and in a kind of Mafioso way assured Bittman that “Christmas comes once a year,” meaning Hunt, like Jimmy Hoffa a year earlier, could expect a pardon after spending some time in prison. Bittman understood the allusion. He had been one of the prosecutors who put Hoffa in jail; Nixon pardoned Hoffa on December 23, 1971.
Colson’s subsequent meeting with Nixon in the Executive Office Building was captured on tape, with Nixon clearly agreeing to the pardon.
Hunt then pled guilty and the four “Cuban” burglars took it as a sign that they, too, would be pardoned, so they followed suit, pleading guilty, and remaining silent. The trial progressed against Gordon Liddy and James McCord, the wireman burglar and former CIA operative. Both were found guilty by a jury.
As the time approached for Judge Sirica to sentence all the defendants, young John Dean, Nixon’s White House Counsel, met in private with Richard Nixon to warn him that there was a “cancer growing on his presidency.” The tape of the conversation (Tape 886-
is instructive on the use of pardons in a cover-up.
After some preliminaries, Dean told Nixon that he, Dean, has been obstructing justice by being a conduit for the hush money—“taking care of people out there who are guilty of crimes.” He then advised the president that he had an obstruction problem with the offer of clemency to Hunt.
Dean called the president’s position on the pardon “untenable.” He illustrated his point: “You know, the Watergate hearings [before the Senate] just over,” Dean said, “Hunt now demanding clemency or he’s going to blow. And politically, it’d be impossible for you to do it.”
Nixon agreed: “That’s right.”
“I’m not sure that you’ll ever be able to deliver on clemency,” Dean continued. “It may be just too hot.”
“You can’t do it until after the [1974] elections, that’s for sure,” Nixon ventured. “But even then… your point is that even then you couldn’t do it.”
“That’s right,” Dean responded. “It may further involve you in a way you shouldn’t be involved in this.”
Think of a simple scenario. The president is asked to pardon a criminal and is given a bribe to induce the act. Would that mean that the bribe had not been a crime because the president has virtually unlimited and unreviewable pardon power under Article II of the Constitution? Of course not. The person pardoned may remain pardoned, but the president in that scenario took a bribe—and that was a criminal act (remember that VP Spiro Agnew resigned in disgrace for taking bribes—the office doesn’t inoculate criminals.)
There is no question that the framers intended the pardon power to be one of the most sweeping granted the president. Alexander Hamilton explained the rationale in Federalist No. 74 this way: “Humanity and good policy conspire to dictate, that the benign prerogative of pardoning should be as little as possible fettered or embarrassed,” he wrote. “The criminal code of every country partakes so much of necessary severity, that without an easy access to exceptions in favor of unfortunate guilt, justice would wear a countenance too sanguinary and cruel.”
So no court can review a pardon; Congress cannot undo a pardon. The power is “unfettered and unembarrassed.” However, that does not mean that it can be used in the commission of a crime by the chief executive.
Take the Watergate example. In that case, the offer of a pardon was dangled in front of defendants to assure their silence in a criminal proceeding. This act, as part of a cover-up, was widely considered to be an obstruction of justice.
Consider Article 9 of the Articles of Impeachment adopted by the House Judiciary Committee in 1974, which spelled out various “high crimes and misdemeanors” of President Nixon, including the following: “endeavoring to cause prospective defendants, and individuals duly tried and convicted, to expect favored treatment and consideration in return for their silence or false testimony, or rewarding individuals for their silence or false testimony.”
The reference is, in part, to activity of Richard Nixon with his adviser Charles Colson in January 1973. Colson’s friend and fellow Brown University alum, E. Howard Hunt, was in deep trouble. Hunt was one of the leaders of the burglars who had broken into the Democratic National Committee headquarters in the Watergate complex.
Hunt left a mountain of incriminating evidence in his hotel room at the Watergate and had been arrested and indicted. He faced trial starting in the second week of January 1973 before a federal judge known for his severe sentencing, John J. Sirica (Hamilton would have labeled him “Sanguinary John.”).
Howard Hunt’s troubles were compounded by the sudden and tragic death of his wife in a plane crash in Chicago in December 1972. She had been the pay-mistress for the hush money delivered to the arrested burglars to keep them from testifying in their criminal case. She had $10,000 in cash in her purse when her plane went down short of the runway at Chicago Midway Airport, crashing into a nearby neighborhood.
Hunt still had young children. He worried that if he went to trial and Judge Sirica threw the book at him, his children would be effectively orphaned. In his despair, he asked his lawyer, William Bittman, to meet with Colson to ask for the promise of a pardon so he could plead guilty and avoid the trial.
Colson, against the advice of others in the White House, met with Bittman and in a kind of Mafioso way assured Bittman that “Christmas comes once a year,” meaning Hunt, like Jimmy Hoffa a year earlier, could expect a pardon after spending some time in prison. Bittman understood the allusion. He had been one of the prosecutors who put Hoffa in jail; Nixon pardoned Hoffa on December 23, 1971.
Colson’s subsequent meeting with Nixon in the Executive Office Building was captured on tape, with Nixon clearly agreeing to the pardon.
Hunt then pled guilty and the four “Cuban” burglars took it as a sign that they, too, would be pardoned, so they followed suit, pleading guilty, and remaining silent. The trial progressed against Gordon Liddy and James McCord, the wireman burglar and former CIA operative. Both were found guilty by a jury.
As the time approached for Judge Sirica to sentence all the defendants, young John Dean, Nixon’s White House Counsel, met in private with Richard Nixon to warn him that there was a “cancer growing on his presidency.” The tape of the conversation (Tape 886-
is instructive on the use of pardons in a cover-up.After some preliminaries, Dean told Nixon that he, Dean, has been obstructing justice by being a conduit for the hush money—“taking care of people out there who are guilty of crimes.” He then advised the president that he had an obstruction problem with the offer of clemency to Hunt.
Dean called the president’s position on the pardon “untenable.” He illustrated his point: “You know, the Watergate hearings [before the Senate] just over,” Dean said, “Hunt now demanding clemency or he’s going to blow. And politically, it’d be impossible for you to do it.”
Nixon agreed: “That’s right.”
“I’m not sure that you’ll ever be able to deliver on clemency,” Dean continued. “It may be just too hot.”
“You can’t do it until after the [1974] elections, that’s for sure,” Nixon ventured. “But even then… your point is that even then you couldn’t do it.”
“That’s right,” Dean responded. “It may further involve you in a way you shouldn’t be involved in this.”
“No,” Nixon replied, “it’s wrong. That’s for sure.”
The point is simple; even a scheming Nixon recognized it. If Donald Trump offers clemency to keep someone from testifying or providing evidence to authorities, it is an obstruction of justice. The key is the intent. If it is done with “corrupt” intent, as the obstruction statute labels it, then it is a crime and can be the basis for an article of impeachment.
The point is simple; even a scheming Nixon recognized it. If Donald Trump offers clemency to keep someone from testifying or providing evidence to authorities, it is an obstruction of justice. The key is the intent. If it is done with “corrupt” intent, as the obstruction statute labels it, then it is a crime and can be the basis for an article of impeachment.
DIY-HP-LED
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Donald really wanted Pruitt to move over to the DOJ as attorney general, too bad Pruitt is too radioactive to get away with it without a firestorm. Pruitt is stupid enough to fire Rosenstein and Mueller, he's a lot like Donald, only dumber. I figure Mitch and Paul must have had a private meeting with Trump about firing Sessions or Mueller, but maybe not. He was all set to move Pruitt into the DOJ and fire Sessions until the shit hit the fan at the EPA, so it shows ya what he's thinking and what his intentions are. Donald is blocked again, though he might do something stupid this weekend, he is unchained now and doesn't have anyone to hold his leash or stroke his ears and say nice doggie. Maybe Trump can talk that little weasel Stephen Miller into firing Rosenstein!
I'm sure Mueller and Rosenstein have an action plan if Trump moves on them, Rosenstein probably has a preliminary report(s) (updated weekly) in his desk and/or at home. If Donald fires him he will hand the report(s) to the entire congressional house and senate judiciary committees, as a whistle blower if required. I'm sure they are monitoring Trump and the situation, anybody he gets to fire Mueller/Rosenstein will be in the line of fire for obstruction of justice. I also understand Mueller can sue to keep his job and get an injunction etc. Donald might force the issue of impeachment early, by doing something stupid, the best predictor of future behavior is past performance, so a dumbass move is very likely soon.
I'm sure Mueller and Rosenstein have an action plan if Trump moves on them, Rosenstein probably has a preliminary report(s) (updated weekly) in his desk and/or at home. If Donald fires him he will hand the report(s) to the entire congressional house and senate judiciary committees, as a whistle blower if required. I'm sure they are monitoring Trump and the situation, anybody he gets to fire Mueller/Rosenstein will be in the line of fire for obstruction of justice. I also understand Mueller can sue to keep his job and get an injunction etc. Donald might force the issue of impeachment early, by doing something stupid, the best predictor of future behavior is past performance, so a dumbass move is very likely soon.
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Sour Wreck
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fuck cheeto jesus !!!! sorry that's all i got, i hate the indecent grifter
DIY-HP-LED
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Monologue: Trump the Riffer | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)
Bill recaps the top stories of the week including Russian sanctions, US troops moving to the border and Trump's tendency to flip-flop.
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Manafort moves to suppress evidence found in storage unit
Lawyers for former Trump campaign chairman say FBI illegally accessed the locker, then returned with warrant.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/07/manafort-moves-to-suppress-evidence-found-in-storage-unit-507984
Lawyers for former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort are arguing that what could be key evidence against him should be kept out of court because the FBI violated his Constitutional rights by illegally entering a storage locker belonging to Manafort's firm.
The FBI first got into the Alexandria, Va. storage unit last May with the assistance of an employee who worked at two or more of Manafort's companies, an agent told the federal magistrate judge who issued the warrant. Then, the agent used what he saw written on so-called Banker's Boxes and the fact there was a five-drawer filing cabinet to get permission to return and seize many of the records. More...
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Unless Mueller needs something from this greed driven slimeball and he's willing to squeal bigly, he'll never see the light of day again. He better hope he kept his family well clear of this shit cause they will be going after them too.
UncleBuck
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manafort was already facing 300+ years in prison before they got to his secret storage locker, so whatever they are trying to hide has got to be massive
greg nr
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Trump can pardon mannafort. That will get the fed charges off his back, but a lot of the financial stuff could be picked up in ny. Still, not nearly as much time. And it would give him a chance to flee....
The only reason it won't happen is trump won't do it unless it directly helps trump. And it won't since mannafort didn't flip. He never pays debts he can back out on to save himself a few rubles. This is no different. Any pardons right now would be seen as obstruction. He won't take a hit for someone else.
potroastV2
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Vincente fox trolls trump..
Ha! I love it that baby trump's American flag diaper is full of shit and smelly.
