The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

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greg nr said:
Trump can pardon mannafort. That will get the fed charges off his back, but a lot of the financial stuff could be picked up in ny. Still, not nearly as much time. And it would give him a chance to flee....

The only reason it won't happen is trump won't do it unless it directly helps trump. And it won't since mannafort didn't flip. He never pays debts he can back out on to save himself a few rubles. This is no different. Any pardons right now would be seen as obstruction. He won't take a hit for someone else.
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If yer depending on Donald for anything yer fucked and that explains the lack of leadership in America right now, Donald couldn't lead a pack of dogs! Paul Manafort is so far in the hole, that I don't think even Mueller could get away without giving him life, he'd have to serve up Trump on a silver platter and I don't think he can. Manafort was desperately trying to square a debt to a Russian Oligarch and volunteered for Donald to make it go away. Unfortunately for Manafort when he raised the rock on himself and let a little sunlight shine on his slimy back he was finished, he got caught up in Mueller's meat grinder.
 
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The Russia Investigations: On The Hunt For Duffel Bags Full Of Cash

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/07/600234750/the-russia-investigations-on-the-hunt-for-duffel-bags-full-of-cash

The special counsel's office is apparently trying to establish whether powerful Russians who owe fealty to President Vladimir Putin — the oft-referenced "oligarchs" — may have funneled cash donations to President Trump's campaign or his inauguration fund.

On Friday, the Treasury Department targeted some of those same oligarchs for a new round of sanctions, along with a number of other Russian government officials and entities — including the state weapons exporter. And here was the description Treasury gave of the conduct of one targeted Russian, gold baron Suleiman Kerimov:

"He is alleged to have brought hundreds of millions of euros into France — transporting as much as 20 million euros at a time in suitcases, in addition to conducting more conventional funds transfers — without reporting the money to French tax authorities."

More money, more problems

That pattern of conduct, and the nature of the interdictions described by Scannell and Prokupecz, raise questions about how long this smuggling of cash might have gone on. The CNN story suggests investigators want to know whether the money might have gone into Trump's inauguration accounts — and whether it continues to this day.

Either way, their story suggests that one way Russia might have injected money into the American political system for the 2016 election and beyond was not via traceable and accountable electronic transfers, but through the old-fashioned delivery of cold hard cash.

Flying around stacks of cash is a time-honored way to get money into circulation in a distant place with no one in between learning about it — most of the time.

If Russian officials were shipping cash to the United States in 2016 for deposit in American bank accounts, which were then the apparently legitimate points of origination for payments to political campaigns or political action committees, that money could have been a powerful and deniable source of influence.

Investigators are believed to be looking into whether foreign cash got into the coffers of American political organizations, and if this is how, the implications are huge.

Foreign contributions to U.S. elections are illegal. And people entering the United States must notify Customs and Border Protection if they're bringing in currency or "monetary instruments" worth more than $10,000 — or it can be seized and those carrying it potentially could face civil or criminal penalties.

Linked to this story:

NRA Says It Receives Foreign Funds, But None Goes To Election Work

The National Rifle Association acknowledged that it accepts foreign donations but says it does not use them for election work — even as federal investigators look into the role the NRA might have played in Russia's attack on the 2016 election.

Pressure on the organization has also been increased by a McClatchy report that suggested that the FBI had been investigating whether a top Russian banker with Kremlin ties illegally funneled money to the NRA to aid Donald Trump's campaign for president. The Federal Election Commission has also opened a preliminary investigation into this question.

In the context of ongoing investigations, Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon, the top Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee, wrote to the NRA earlier this month asking, "Can you categorically state that your organizations have never, wittingly or unwittingly, received any contributions from individuals or entities acting as conduits for foreign entities or interests?"

The NRA said it does receive foreign money but not for election purposes.

"While we do receive some contributions from foreign individuals and entities, those contributions are made directly to the NRA for lawful purposes," NRA's General Counsel John C. Frazer wrote to Wyden in a letter obtained by NPR. "Our review of our records has found no foreign donations in connection with a United States election, either directly or through a conduit."

In 2015 to 2016, Frazer continued, the NRA received money from companies based in the U.S. that may be owned or managed by foreign nationals. "However, none of those entities or individuals is connected with Russia, and none of their contributions were made in connection with U.S. elections," Frazer added.

The NRA's response was not sufficient for Wyden. In a letter dated March 27, the senator demanded that the organization provide a detailed accounting of how foreign funds were used over the past three years, whether they were targeted at particular American audiences and what the measured impact was.

Wyden also demanded to know whether any Russian nationals or foreign individuals had been members of the NRA's donor programs and whether the NRA received any money from sanctioned individuals.

While the NRA claims it does not receive foreign money for election purposes, the movement of its money among accounts could make it difficult, if not impossible, to track how the money is spent since it is not isolated or sequestered.

The NRA has a variety of accounts, and the NRA Political Victory Fund is its official political action committee and must report all of its spending to the Federal Election Commission.

It also has other accounts that require less transparency and do not report spending to the FEC — and in those funds, the NRA told Wyden, the group receives "funds from foreign persons only for purposes not connected to elections, as permitted by federal law."

However, the NRA acknowledges that money moves among those accounts: "Transfers between accounts are made as permitted by law," the NRA's general counsel wrote.
 
greg nr

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Fogdog said:
The NRA said it does receive foreign money but not for election purposes.
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It's long been recognized in legal circles that money is fungible. If you don't put in specific fire-walled mechanisms, it can be used for any purpose whatsoever. I don't think the NRA has much of a defense there.

It's a fun word. Basically it means that a dollar in your left pocket is fully interchangeable with a dollar in your right pocket. So if you can't buy food with left pocket dollars, but you can buy gas, you won't have to spend a right pocket dollar on gas and you can use it to buy the sandwich. But if you only have that right pocket dollar, you can't have both. You could afford only food or gas.

Having that left pocket dollar allowed you to buy something it couldn't be used for directly.

Definition of fungible
1: being something (such as money or a commodity) of such a nature that one part or quantity may be replaced by another equal part or quantity in paying a debt or settling an account
  • Oil, wheat, and lumber are fungible commodities. - fungible goods
2: capable of mutual substitution : interchangeable
  • … the court's postulate that male and female jurors must be regarded as fungible —George Will
3: readily changeable to adapt to new situations : flexible
  • Managers typically use more than a hundred different lineups over the course of the season. Batting orders are so fungible that few players last long in one spot. —Tom Verducci
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fungibility
play \ˌfən-jə-ˈbi-lə-tē\ noun​
 
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greg nr said:
It's long been recognized in legal circles that money is fungible. If you don't put in specific fire-walled mechanisms, it can be used for any purpose whatsoever. I don't think the NRA has much of a defense there.

It's a fun word. Basically it means that a dollar in your left pocket is fully interchangeable with a dollar in your right pocket. So if you can't buy food with left pocket dollars, but you can buy gas, you won't have to spend a right pocket dollar on gas and you can use it to buy the sandwich. But if you only have that right pocket dollar, you can't have both. You could afford only food or gas.

Having that left pocket dollar allowed you to buy something it couldn't be used for directly.

Definition of fungible
1: being something (such as money or a commodity) of such a nature that one part or quantity may be replaced by another equal part or quantity in paying a debt or settling an account
  • Oil, wheat, and lumber are fungible commodities. - fungible goods
2: capable of mutual substitution : interchangeable
  • … the court's postulate that male and female jurors must be regarded as fungible —George Will
3: readily changeable to adapt to new situations : flexible
  • Managers typically use more than a hundred different lineups over the course of the season. Batting orders are so fungible that few players last long in one spot. —Tom Verducci
—
fungibility
play \ˌfən-jə-ˈbi-lə-tē\ noun​
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If Mueller can get the right person in the NRA by the balls, there might be some serious "fun". Tens of millions of dollars of russian cash going into a political party/campaign is very serious business indeed and worth putting somebody's nuts in the vice and squeezing till they crack. They might have hid the paper and electronic trail, but if Mueller can find the guy on the American end... Someone was spending the money, where did they get it, Mueller has people on his team who are experts at tracking money.
 
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Something odd was pointed out in the palmer report today. Apparently michael cohen texted a friend who livex in trump tower after the fire broke out.

He asked his friend if he was in the tower, and he said yes, wby. Cohen then told him there was a fire and he should get out NOW.

Ok, he was cpncerned about his friend. No big deal.

Except why didnt his friend know the building was on fire?

Were there alarms? Were they working?

We already know trump sued to be able to not put spronklers in. Did he also cheap out on an alarm system?

Questions......
 
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greg nr said:
Something odd was pointed out in the palmer report today. Apparently michael cohen texted a friend who livex in trump tower after the fire broke out.

He asked his friend if he was in the tower, and he said yes, wby. Cohen then told him there was a fire and he should get out NOW.

Ok, he was cpncerned about his friend. No big deal.

Except why didnt his friend know the building was on fire?

Were there alarms? Were they working?

We already know trump sued to be able to not put spronklers in. Did he also cheap out on an alarm system?

Questions......
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Most likely, if past performance is anything to go by. As I recall NY state and NYC has a score or two to settle with Donald and if someone was killed (or firefighters injured) in the fire because of negligence, its a city and state matter. They could condemn Trump tower as unsafe and charge Trump criminally with negligence for causing death and injury! Wonder if he stiffed the fire alarm company!

Only a moron wouldn't want to put sprinklers in a building like Trump tower.
 
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Grandpapy said:
Trump did order the NSA to stop watching Americans and start watching Russians, right?
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The NSA is not allowed to spy on Americans, it's what all unmasking bullshit in the news was about, they are not even allowed to make deals with the other members of the "five eyes" to do it either. The FBI does domestic surveillance and there are apparently a lot of GOP, NRA & Trumper types with russian sympathies. I figure the spooks are on the right side of history on this one and find themselves aligned with liberals, I figure permanently. The world changes and politics makes strange bedfellows indeed.

Support for the FBI and justice department among RIU members is strangely high, it never used to be!
 
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DIY-HP-LED said:
The FBI does domestic surveillance
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The furor's regime just announced plans for dhs to monitor and create a database journalists and media influencers. Isn't that special.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homeland-security-seeks-media-monitoring-services-for-journalists-media-influencers/

The Department of Homeland Security posted a contract request this week for "Media Monitoring Services," which will compile a database of hundreds of thousands of journalists, bloggers and "media influencers" for the federal government. After an outcry on social media, a Department of Homeland Security spokesman tweeted "this is nothing more than the standard practice of monitoring current events in the media."
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It won't be long before every american has an entry in a gov database detailing political beliefs and activities. If that day isn't already here.
 
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greg nr said:
Something odd was pointed out in the palmer report today. Apparently michael cohen texted a friend who livex in trump tower after the fire broke out.

He asked his friend if he was in the tower, and he said yes, wby. Cohen then told him there was a fire and he should get out NOW.

Ok, he was cpncerned about his friend. No big deal.

Except why didnt his friend know the building was on fire?

Were there alarms? Were they working?

We already know trump sued to be able to not put spronklers in. Did he also cheap out on an alarm system?

Questions......
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Maybe Michael Cohen SET the fire and texted his friend before any alarms could go off
 
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greg nr said:
The furor's regime just announced plans for dhs to monitor and create a database journalists and media influencers. Isn't that special.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/homeland-security-seeks-media-monitoring-services-for-journalists-media-influencers/

The Department of Homeland Security posted a contract request this week for "Media Monitoring Services," which will compile a database of hundreds of thousands of journalists, bloggers and "media influencers" for the federal government. After an outcry on social media, a Department of Homeland Security spokesman tweeted "this is nothing more than the standard practice of monitoring current events in the media."
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It won't be long before every american has an entry in a gov database detailing political beliefs and activities. If that day isn't already here.
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Big data is all about linking databases, think the recent facebook scandal and they say the data for 80+ million Americans is still in russia. How big a file could you keep on each 300 million Americans with a mere 10 terabytes of storage? You could predict when they are going to take their next shit, much less how they would vote and how to jerk their chain. The internet provides the means of acquiring the data and dicking around with the information targeted voters receive. The quality of your decisions is only as good as the information they are based on. Moscow was always in the disinformation business, the internet provides a megaphone for Bullshit as well as truth. Having the president of your target country as your stooge helps tremendously with spreading bullshit.
 
greg nr

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Big data is all about linking databases, think the recent facebook scandal and they say the data for 80+ million Americans is still in russia. How big a file could you keep on each 300 million Americans with a mere 10 terabytes of storage? You could predict when they are going to take their next shit, much less how they would vote and how to jerk their chain. The internet provides the means of acquiring the data and dicking around with the information targeted voters receive. The quality of your decisions is only as good as the information they are based on. Moscow was always in the disinformation business, the internet provides a megaphone for Bullshit as well as truth. Having the president of your target country as your stooge helps tremendously with spreading bullshit.
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Yeah, wait until they start putting people on sex offender lists because their predictive indicators tell them you have an 85% chance of committing the crime. The Israeli's already use predictive indicators to jail suspected terrorists. Not actual terrorists. Not people who were planning a terroristic act. Not even people who talked about it on social media. These are people they predict will do those things.

Have dangerous thoughts? Time for a re-education camp. Or worse.
 
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greg nr said:
Yeah, wait until they start putting people on sex offender lists because their predictive indicators tell them you have an 85% chance of committing the crime. The Israeli's already use predictive indicators to jail suspected terrorists. Not actual terrorists. Not people who were planning a terroristic act. Not even people who talked about it on social media. These are people they predict will do those things.

Have dangerous thoughts? Time for a re-education camp. Or worse.
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Gun nuts are on record of saying that a phone call about a concern is all that should be needed to give a person a trip to a mental hospital. A computer model like you suggest would be as useful at the Magic Eight Ball but I have no doubt the unthinking Right would use it.
 
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greg nr said:
Yeah, wait until they start putting people on sex offender lists because their predictive indicators tell them you have an 85% chance of committing the crime. The Israeli's already use predictive indicators to jail suspected terrorists. Not actual terrorists. Not people who were planning a terroristic act. Not even people who talked about it on social media. These are people they predict will do those things.

Have dangerous thoughts? Time for a re-education camp. Or worse.
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Better living through technology! Yep a big database of hundreds of terabytes of data hooked up to advanced AI and an army of nerds, with someone like Vlad Putin, Robert Mercer or Steve Bannon in the driver's seat, will make Cambridge Anal look like amateur hour. Cambridge Anal and the Bullshit troll and bot factory in St Petersburg are a dynamic duo when they work together.
 
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