Just pulled the trigger....

nfhiggs

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Why did you go for the single rows, are you going to grow a sea of green?
I still say I would buy a 3-row strip if they made one.
Stephen was talking about new LEDs that are pushing 3.4 or something micromoles per Watt, this weekend on the GML show. Those are like near half more efficient than what we have now.
I'd like a double row of those... :)
Price advantage of the 22" double rows is less than a dollar. And all they have in stock is the singles 22" anyway.
 

nfhiggs

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You can grow a taller crop with a brighter light source.

I'm having difficulty putting it into words.
Think of a photo, sometimes, one thing may be in focus, and everything behind it and in front of it out of focus.
That area that is in focus, is described as the field of depth. It can be very shallow, or infinite.
The closer you need to hang your lights to reach a specific light level at the canopy, the quicker light will fall off as you exceed that distance.
So we have a similar useful zone that grows in size proportionally to the level of the light and the distance of the source.
Nope, its the same diodes, double the amount of single row strips and you have the exact same number of light sources. There is no inherent advantage to the double row strips beyond price and simpler wiring.
 

ANC

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Place the order, wait for the next delivery, you can dim a strong light, you can't make a weak strip shine brighter. The distance between the LEDs affects how the light sums. I suppose if you strap two strips up close to each other and stick to at least one such a dual setup per 8 inches, you should be golden.
 

whytewidow

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What do you guys think about these? Having 72 diodes of 2700k and 48 5700k blended to 3700k be nice for flowering. Those with their red n blue solstiks alternated

10 strips run on a hlg-600 or two 320s
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Humple

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https://solstrip.com/en/

Sorry didn't mean to hijack the thread to the o.p.
I saw these strips mentioned in a thread a few months ago, but I don't think I've seen any builds using them yet. About a month ago I almost pulled the trigger on two of their regular white-light strips, to set up an indoor herb garden for the wife, but then I found a great deal on the Acuity strips, and I couldn't pass it up. The diodes look like 561B, but at $20 for four 25-watt, 4000k strips, it's difficult to complain about a small loss in efficiency.
 

ganjamystic

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The diodes look like 561B
the product description from the page says the diodes are 561c.. what makes you think the company is lying?
Size: 400 mm x 40 mm (15.75” x 1.6”)
Power: 72 watts
Output: 14,000 lumens

Photonics

LEDs: 144 diodes Samsung LM561C S6 bin
CRI: 80
LED Color Temperature: 2700K/5700K
Efficacy: 161 – 212 lm/w

Power Consumption: 48-78 watts
Operating Current (If): 1000-2400 mA
Operating Voltage (Vf): 24.2 - 36.4 Vdc
Luminous Flux: 9000-14,500 lm
$10 lux meter test: 13,150 lm2 @ 12” 


PCB


Materials: Aluminum on 2 oz. of RA copper core
Thickness: 1.6mm
Thermal conductivity coefficient: 1.5
Mounting Options: M3 screw holes, thermal tape
Electrical Connectors: 2 x 18-22 AWG push-in 2061-2-2P

Application Environment


• Lumen Maintenance: L70 = 7 Years
• Min. Ambient Operation Temp: -40˚C
• Max. Board Temp. (at tc): + 85˚C
• Max. Board Temp. for life rating: + 65˚C
• Max. Current Rating: 3.9 Amps

Compare to:



- Samsung H Series H22D x 3
 = 1 X3 SolStrip
- Samsung H Series HB562D x 6 = 1 X3 SolStrip
- HLG Quantum 288 chip board = 2 X3 SolStrips
- Photon Fantom 240 chip Sunboard = 2 X3 SolStrips
 

ganjamystic

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I don't really care, not trying to argue or anything, just wondering what makes you think they are 561b..
 

whytewidow

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Well I ordered 5 of the 2700k 96 diode strips. Gonna put them on a hlg-240H-24 driver. With the 10 3000k f series strips i got from arrow. Plus the reds I have inbetween. Right at 600 watts total. In a 2x4x6 tent. Should make some weight....

I did best offer. I got the. For 16.99 each free shipping. Even if they aren' s6 bin diodes. Owell. 17 bucks for b+ fine with me.
 

ANC

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Well I ordered 5 of the 2700k 96 diode strips. Gonna put them on a hlg-240H-24 driver. With the 10 3000k f series strips i got from arrow. Plus the reds I have inbetween. Right at 600 watts total. In a 2x4x6 tent. Should make some weight....

I did best offer. I got the. For 16.99 each free shipping. Even if they aren' s6 bin diodes. Owell. 17 bucks for b+ fine with me.
That is too much I think. I was running a 320W driver over a 4x2 with no reflective sides.
 

Randomblame

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Place the order, wait for the next delivery, you can dim a strong light, you can't make a weak strip shine brighter. The distance between the LEDs affects how the light sums. I suppose if you strap two strips up close to each other and stick to at least one such a dual setup per 8 inches, you should be golden.
Do you really think a double row strip shine deeper like 2 single row strips? They produce the exact same amount of lumens and when used in the same inviroment you get the same brightness at the same height.
But one main thing is different, with two strips you could illuninate your plant from two sides while with a double row strip you have only one angle from where the light shines on your plants.
So in reality two strips shines deeper than one and gives you better penetration.
I thought the myth "strong light penetrates deeper" is already destroyed and we leave it behind us long ago?
 

ANC

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Imagine a light source 10 feet high above the canopy and a second one 1 foot above a canopy.
Both lights are bright enough to lay down 1000PPF at the canopy.
How much light is left 1 foot down from that, in the case of each light source?
How much light is left 2 feet down from that ?
 

ganjamystic

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Imagine a light source 10 feet high above the canopy and a second one 1 foot above a canopy.
Both lights are bright enough to lay down 1000PPF at the canopy.
How much light is left 1 foot down from that, in the case of each light source?
How much light is left 2 feet down from that ?
I totally see what you are saying here. de hps vs mid-power led diodes for example.. it's not like one is necessarily better than the other, it just depends on the situation and growing strategy... de hps, powerful higher wattage cobs or boards or bars etc are great for flowering trees or tall single cola plants, for example, because even though there is like several feet of unusable space directly below the lights there is then several feet below that where the ppf is high enough to grow dense cola... whereas softer run led strips or boards or lower wattage cobs are great for flowering trays of short single cola clones or flattened scrog canopies because the lights can be super close but the ppf drops off after a shorter distance... but then you can have racks stacked up vertically to maximize use of total cubic ft of growing space.... either way works

(sorry I had to edit this a million times to get it to say what I was trying to say... )
 
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Randomblame

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Imagine a light source 10 feet high above the canopy and a second one 1 foot above a canopy.
Both lights are bright enough to lay down 1000PPF at the canopy.
How much light is left 1 foot down from that, in the case of each light source?
How much light is left 2 feet down from that ?
Yeah! Much more with the light source 10ft above of course. But these light source have to be much more powerful to reach the same 1000μmol/s/m2 as the light source 1ft above.
When you hang a 5 double row and a 10 single row lamp next to another and measure the brightness at the same heights there is no magical higher reading with the 5 double row's. It's the same amount of photons only more spreaded, but at the bottom of the tent it would be equally bright. A double row strip is just like two single row strips next to another.
Only if you get close to 2" to the DR stripes, you get higher numbers, but for that your gaps between the stripes are bigger, so that everything is equalized at the end.

Let's try it from a different viewing angle.
Better penetration can be achieved by generating as much light as possible but with little to no shadows on the illuminated surface. Correct?
Leaves in the shade of other leaves get less light. Correct?
To reduce the shadows, so what is more suitable? One or more light sources? Yepp! The more the better!
As more light sources produce less shadows, more distant shoots get more light "because they are not overshadowed". Diffusity is the keyword!
In fact, it is diffused light that reaches down to the ground in greenhouses. Greenhouse growers have an 8% higher harvest on average when using diffused foils and that although these foils allow only 85-92% light transmission. This means that in spite of 8-15% less intensity, they harvest 8% more, like a gardener without foils, only because of the diffused light.
 

skoomd

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Yeah! Much more with the light source 10ft above of course. But these light source have to be much more powerful to reach the same 1000μmol/s/m2 as the light source 1ft above.
When you hang a 5 double row and a 10 single row lamp next to another and measure the brightness at the same heights there is no magical higher reading with the 5 double row's. It's the same amount of photons only more spreaded, but at the bottom of the tent it would be equally bright. A double row strip is just like two single row strips next to another.
Only if you get close to 2" to the DR stripes, you get higher numbers, but for that your gaps between the stripes are bigger, so that everything is equalized at the end.

Let's try it from a different viewing angle.
Better penetration can be achieved by generating as much light as possible but with little to no shadows on the illuminated surface. Correct?
Leaves in the shade of other leaves get less light. Correct?
To reduce the shadows, so what is more suitable? One or more light sources? Yepp! The more the better!
As more light sources produce less shadows, more distant shoots get more light "because they are not overshadowed". Diffusity is the keyword!
In fact, it is diffused light that reaches down to the ground in greenhouses. Greenhouse growers have an 8% higher harvest on average when using diffused foils and that although these foils allow only 85-92% light transmission. This means that in spite of 8-15% less intensity, they harvest 8% more, like a gardener without foils, only because of the diffused light.
Correct. The double row strips do not provide better penetration than the single rows.
 

whytewidow

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Agree - 600W over 8 square feet is massive overkill.
It will have the possibility to hit about 600. I pack 6 to 8 plants with multiple big tops. I won't run them at max. I'll run them soft. I get frost like crazy on every strain so far. My reds take care of that. The 3000ks make good density. Adding 2700ks really for the spectrum. And jus a little added light. I'l probably only the 5 double row strips at 60%ish
 
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